Mason directed kills? Generally the only masons that have kills are...the mafia...
Generally, yes. I'd like to see what @Assuran has to say about all this. Like Figgy said in his edit it would be a rather good way for a mafia vig to get him/herself set up as the village network head.
it mentions that in the line break after the description of what is clearly a mafia kill followed by a mafia member dying due to their own incompetence (which is to say, inactivity)
I think that was probably a mason-directed kill that ended up redundant, due to them not checking inactivity logs
which is to say
get it in gear, masons
Also,
Duncan O'Neal - Baidol - Killed by Confederate Ordinance; Federation citizen
Dr. Kelly Robertson - MrTLicious - Killed by Confederate Ordinance; Federation citizen
would seem to be the mafia kills? since Maximus was a confederate
Which I have no idea what skull man is on about either. But yeah, unless you think that munkus would have 3 mafia kills...though that doesn't preclude assuran being a SK or something
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edited March 2012
I would like to be on the safe side and get more reserves just in case something bad happens. If you know anyone that wants to play but missed out, let them know please!
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Shit, this started already? Oh well. It's been a weird day for me, plus my monitor decided to shit the bed, so eh.
Assuran was on the chopping block for the vote and maximus had 1/3 chance to die from inactivus. From mafia PoV I'd have taken my chance with Maximus getting replaced by a reserve - but there is an advantage indeed in setting up trust and goodwill (needed, considering he easily racked up votes for #1 vote spot). Killing a mafia as your own here is a move that cost 2 potential villager threats however (1 kill from the gun, 1 kill from inactivus - which could have hit maximus ~33%)
Still, he should be guarded just in case. I'm leaning much more towards not-mafia but figgy's point remains.
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Good morning.
I understand the hesitancy in accepting that I'm a village vig. It's probably good that you all are paranoid, especially given that there was no proof positive that I wasn't a SK.
With that said, I am a village vig. Look at the narrative, the mafia had two kills already. Further, there is a plague that apparently is acting like a serial killer in this game. I suppose it's possible that the mafia made a highly meta move and used a third kill to kill one of their own and I don't have any way to disprove that at the moment. I wish I could.
There is another kill out there that I'm leaning towards being a second village vig that had the bad luck of picking a target that either the mafia picked, I picked, or was the vote targets, but I'm not sure about that.
The only thing I can say is hopefully a seer can confirm me tonight. I have no other way to confirm I'm a villager. I will call another shot tonight.
Was taya in second when vote closed? I figured she might have gotten the plague from that as some sort of mechanic. From a special standpoint it wouldnt make much sense for her to get targeted when she was so close to dying earlier in the day. Unless of course the mafia wanted to save her afterwards, so as not to waste an ability like that. But then if it was an SK ability he wouldnt have the support of the mafia. So I dunno.
Problem with that: Nirya was voted off and said to have "Psychic abilities" in narration which may mean he was the seer.
Yeah. I'm hoping there were more than 1, otherwise the village is kinda screwed.
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Most main games have two seers. One might be an action seer or something similar, but usually you have more than one. I haven't played in any of Munkus' previous games though so who knows.
I think assuming we have multiple seers is probably folly. Specials are either going to have to take the dive and trust you or not. The seer isn't going to come out to the thread and validate you. They might if you are evil, but since its unlikely another seer exists, I think it's probably best to make up your minds about contacting assuran.
The way I seeit - most specials are only really useful in a network (guards needs target,and blind firing vigs are as likely to hit the village as mafia). Without a seer, it's hard to form that network. So if assuran is bluffing and you all get whacked, well, that sucks, but if we werent going to make a network anyway (which seems likely considering no other village vigs came forward yesterday) then it isn't t the end of the world.
Additionally, other SKs may now know their kills do not show alignment, so they COULD try ploys (like the double kill we saw, or maybe even day SKs). Of course it's unlikely the mafia would since they are probably the only multilills, but the earlier the network forms, the less chance of crossfire
Assuran also came forward pretty quickly after action close. Yes he was on the chopping block, but there was plenty of time for other vigs to challenge his place.
Assuran also came forward pretty quickly after action close. Yes he was on the chopping block, but there was plenty of time for other vigs to challenge his place.
No other vig would challenge him, since it's actually not all that unlikely we have more than one person who can kill.
Misread what you said. Yeah, that's possible. It does look like we only have the one village vig though, so while assuran wouldn't necessarily have known that, it does lend hm credit.
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McKinney rubbed his mouth buying him a chance to think, "Six hour shifts on watch with overlapping rotation, one person secures a primary post while a pair patrols the area and another gets some rack time. Three on, one off until we sort this out and watch your asses. Hackshaw, take Kendrick and keep an eye out, I'll start here on post. Guess that means its your time Lewis, enjoy it while you can. Get some rest, we have some long days ahead."
I should probably qualify my thoughts a little. I am probably feeling guilty about NOT contacting MrT in REGs mini when I was the seer who (coincidentally) knew Assuran was evil. So maybe that's why I think people should trust him. Could easily be clouding my judgement, so grain of salt.
Trusting blindly would be a bad decision, it seems to me like unfortunate circumstances it panned out that way.
Now, I will tend to agree that we likely had only 1 seer, and that is because of what the host has proclaimed is an affection for deductive reasoning in finding our enemies.
Alegis is making a good point on what the mafia would consider; knowing there were at least two reserves and the inactivus thing was pending I would side on the host either replacing him only 1/3 times.
The one thing to consider is that the mafia may not have known what his chances for replacement were. That would require going over the entire thread and checking everyone's activity requirements, and also assuming the host calculated them right.
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Was taya in second when vote closed? I figured she might have gotten the plague from that as some sort of mechanic. From a special standpoint it wouldnt make much sense for her to get targeted when she was so close to dying earlier in the day. Unless of course the mafia wanted to save her afterwards, so as not to waste an ability like that. But then if it was an SK ability he wouldnt have the support of the mafia. So I dunno.
The only thing I can say is hopefully a seer can confirm me tonight. I have no other way to confirm I'm a villager. I will call another shot tonight.
Problem with that: Nirya was voted off and said to have "Psychic abilities" in narration which may mean he was the seer.
The truth Serum was hinted at in the beginning Narration so I'm pretty sure it was a planned two death by vote night, Taya was just second place in votes.
Was taya in second when vote closed? I figured she might have gotten the plague from that as some sort of mechanic. From a special standpoint it wouldnt make much sense for her to get targeted when she was so close to dying earlier in the day. Unless of course the mafia wanted to save her afterwards, so as not to waste an ability like that. But then if it was an SK ability he wouldnt have the support of the mafia. So I dunno.
The only thing I can say is hopefully a seer can confirm me tonight. I have no other way to confirm I'm a villager. I will call another shot tonight.
Problem with that: Nirya was voted off and said to have "Psychic abilities" in narration which may mean he was the seer.
The truth Serum was hinted at in the beginning Narration so I'm pretty sure it was a planned two death by vote night, Taya was just second place in votes.
A reasonable explanation until we have more results. Although it might just be the day 1 to get things rolling and infecting, you can't have just anyone choose who to infect unless it lines up with their VC and RNGing it as the host is, well, lame.
Not sure why Skull Man thinks it would be a narration section just to inactive kill someone when no inactivity deaths were necessary since his supposed victim was already dead. It is pretty clearly a standard narration item indicating overlap of kills.
Was taya in second when vote closed? I figured she might have gotten the plague from that as some sort of mechanic. From a special standpoint it wouldnt make much sense for her to get targeted when she was so close to dying earlier in the day. Unless of course the mafia wanted to save her afterwards, so as not to waste an ability like that. But then if it was an SK ability he wouldnt have the support of the mafia. So I dunno.
The only thing I can say is hopefully a seer can confirm me tonight. I have no other way to confirm I'm a villager. I will call another shot tonight.
Problem with that: Nirya was voted off and said to have "Psychic abilities" in narration which may mean he was the seer.
The truth Serum was hinted at in the beginning Narration so I'm pretty sure it was a planned two death by vote night, Taya was just second place in votes.
A reasonable explanation until we have more results. Although it might just be the day 1 to get things rolling and infecting, you can't have just anyone choose who to infect unless it lines up with their VC and RNGing it as the host is, well, lame.
Not sure why Skull Man thinks it would be a narration section just to inactive kill someone when no inactivity deaths were necessary since his supposed victim was already dead. It is pretty clearly a standard narration item indicating overlap of kills.
That's not what I was talking about
I was talking about
The revolution certainly outlived Alexander Jameson, as the bright colors of destabilization tore his intestines into intricate designs on the wall.
He's clearly killed by his own hand. The last section is, I think, the acknowledgement of the kill overlap
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I do think Taya got the plague because of being second in votes. I also think that was a Day 1 mechanic only. If every day another person gets the plague from the current carrier AND whoever is in 2nd, deaths will just keep increasing every night.
Day 1: 1 plague carrier
Day 2: 2 plague carriers, 1 death by plague
Day 3: 3 plague carriers, 1 death by plague
Day 4: 4 plague carriers, 2 deaths by plague
It's probably just a single-transferable thing; however it does raise an interesting point; if we infect a mafia they'll take out our now revealed vig. There's probably no defense
It's probably just a single-transferable thing; however it does raise an interesting point; if we infect a mafia they'll take out our now revealed vig. There's probably no defense
That makes that a very, very dangerous mechanic.
Has there been a mechanic in the past that effectively makes revealing your role a death sentence?
I wonder if the bus driver can switch the plague target.
It's probably just a single-transferable thing; however it does raise an interesting point; if we infect a mafia they'll take out our now revealed vig. There's probably no defense
That makes that a very, very dangerous mechanic.
Has there been a mechanic in the past that effectively makes revealing your role a death sentence?
I wonder if the bus driver can switch the plague target.
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I can see lots of good discussion going on about Assuran and whether to trust him or not, but I don't see anyone talking about all the crazy voting last night. I know a lot of vote changes were as a result of a revealed vig. Is it not suspicious because Taya has the plague and that is where most votes shifted from?
Not sure yet need to look at who changed votes and reasons why.
A mafia roleblock would make revealing your role totally worthless, that's why I'm against it and waiting for a network to establish before going into it or at least understanding the mechanics better.
What did we learn from the votes? Do we believe the late vote swings were mafia driven or concocted? Do we have a direction, as a majority, that we want to go with?
The revolution certainly outlived Alexander Jameson, as the bright colors of destabilization tore his intestines into intricate designs on the wall.
He's clearly killed by his own hand. The last section is, I think, the acknowledgement of the kill overlap
Ohhh, I see, just some confusion abo-
it mentions that in the line break after the description of what is clearly a mafia kill followed by a mafia member dying due to their own incompetence (which is to say, inactivity)
No, you specifically were talking about the same thing as we were, by your initial posts. Unless you assert that "description of what is clearly a mafia kill followed by a mafia member dying" is not referencing the second section, the third section we are discussing being the one naturally after.
It doesn't make the killer village aligned necessarily, but that is a damn gutsy move to make as a SK or mafia when you don't know how narration results will show up exactly day 1.
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I'm confused. What do masons have to do with that kill?
Generally, yes. I'd like to see what @Assuran has to say about all this. Like Figgy said in his edit it would be a rather good way for a mafia vig to get him/herself set up as the village network head.
Duncan O'Neal - Baidol - Killed by Confederate Ordinance; Federation citizen
Dr. Kelly Robertson - MrTLicious - Killed by Confederate Ordinance; Federation citizen
would seem to be the mafia kills? since Maximus was a confederate
Someone send me the link to the mafia proboard!
HahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaHOLYSHIT!!!!!!!!!!
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Back on the job market...Who has vacancies? I'm a quick learner and almost completely disease free.
Also, oooooooooOOOOOOOooooo
Still, he should be guarded just in case. I'm leaning much more towards not-mafia but figgy's point remains.
I understand the hesitancy in accepting that I'm a village vig. It's probably good that you all are paranoid, especially given that there was no proof positive that I wasn't a SK.
With that said, I am a village vig. Look at the narrative, the mafia had two kills already. Further, there is a plague that apparently is acting like a serial killer in this game. I suppose it's possible that the mafia made a highly meta move and used a third kill to kill one of their own and I don't have any way to disprove that at the moment. I wish I could.
There is another kill out there that I'm leaning towards being a second village vig that had the bad luck of picking a target that either the mafia picked, I picked, or was the vote targets, but I'm not sure about that.
The only thing I can say is hopefully a seer can confirm me tonight. I have no other way to confirm I'm a villager. I will call another shot tonight.
Problem with that: Nirya was voted off and said to have "Psychic abilities" in narration which may mean he was the seer.
Yeah. I'm hoping there were more than 1, otherwise the village is kinda screwed.
Edit: Which was only because there were two fations working against each other.
The way I seeit - most specials are only really useful in a network (guards needs target,and blind firing vigs are as likely to hit the village as mafia). Without a seer, it's hard to form that network. So if assuran is bluffing and you all get whacked, well, that sucks, but if we werent going to make a network anyway (which seems likely considering no other village vigs came forward yesterday) then it isn't t the end of the world.
Additionally, other SKs may now know their kills do not show alignment, so they COULD try ploys (like the double kill we saw, or maybe even day SKs). Of course it's unlikely the mafia would since they are probably the only multilills, but the earlier the network forms, the less chance of crossfire
No other vig would challenge him, since it's actually not all that unlikely we have more than one person who can kill.
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McKinney rubbed his mouth buying him a chance to think, "Six hour shifts on watch with overlapping rotation, one person secures a primary post while a pair patrols the area and another gets some rack time. Three on, one off until we sort this out and watch your asses. Hackshaw, take Kendrick and keep an eye out, I'll start here on post. Guess that means its your time Lewis, enjoy it while you can. Get some rest, we have some long days ahead."
Now, I will tend to agree that we likely had only 1 seer, and that is because of what the host has proclaimed is an affection for deductive reasoning in finding our enemies.
Alegis is making a good point on what the mafia would consider; knowing there were at least two reserves and the inactivus thing was pending I would side on the host either replacing him only 1/3 times.
The truth Serum was hinted at in the beginning Narration so I'm pretty sure it was a planned two death by vote night, Taya was just second place in votes.
A reasonable explanation until we have more results. Although it might just be the day 1 to get things rolling and infecting, you can't have just anyone choose who to infect unless it lines up with their VC and RNGing it as the host is, well, lame.
Not sure why Skull Man thinks it would be a narration section just to inactive kill someone when no inactivity deaths were necessary since his supposed victim was already dead. It is pretty clearly a standard narration item indicating overlap of kills.
Reasonably discussing what happened and figuring out our next step in a calm, orderly fashion is no way to make money off of this situation.
Good point.
If anyone is overwhelmed by this sudden turn of events, you know where to come.
That's not what I was talking about
I was talking about
He's clearly killed by his own hand. The last section is, I think, the acknowledgement of the kill overlap
Day 1: 1 plague carrier
Day 2: 2 plague carriers, 1 death by plague
Day 3: 3 plague carriers, 1 death by plague
Day 4: 4 plague carriers, 2 deaths by plague
Etc.
That makes that a very, very dangerous mechanic.
Has there been a mechanic in the past that effectively makes revealing your role a death sentence?
I wonder if the bus driver can switch the plague target.
Mafia bus driver
Not sure yet need to look at who changed votes and reasons why.
What did we learn from the votes? Do we believe the late vote swings were mafia driven or concocted? Do we have a direction, as a majority, that we want to go with?
Ohhh, I see, just some confusion abo-
No, you specifically were talking about the same thing as we were, by your initial posts. Unless you assert that "description of what is clearly a mafia kill followed by a mafia member dying" is not referencing the second section, the third section we are discussing being the one naturally after.
Care to try again?
"bright colors of destabilization"
"prototype tecnology"
called kill on Maximus.
It doesn't make the killer village aligned necessarily, but that is a damn gutsy move to make as a SK or mafia when you don't know how narration results will show up exactly day 1.