Hey guys, does Rage Against the Machine count as "Punk Metal"?
no
is kind of the foundation of nu metal
Bands like Faith No More and Primus get credited a lot for the NuMetal thing. I've also seen Helmet, Fugazi, and other "groove"-oriented bands get the nod when it comes to the inspiration. NuMetal had a lot of good bassists and jazz-style drummers, and with bands like Mudvayne they were usually the primary musical focus, with the guitars simply there to outline the riff with a wall of distortion.
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Hey guys, does Rage Against the Machine count as "Punk Metal"?
no
is kind of the foundation of nu metal
Bands like Faith No More and Primus get credited a lot for the NuMetal thing. I've also seen Helmet, Fugazi, and other "groove"-oriented bands get the nod when it comes to the inspiration. NuMetal had a lot of good bassists and jazz-style drummers, and with bands like Mudvayne they were usually the primary musical focus, with the guitars simply there to outline the riff with a wall of distortion.
Yep.
I've seen (in person) some amazing classical soloists (piano, cello, violin, trumpet) and the finest instrumentalists that modern metal has to offer, and yet I still believe the single greatest musical feat I've ever witnessed was Primus on the Pork Soda tour and all the shit Claypool was able to do on an upright bass whilst jumping around in a giant pig outfit.
No matter where you go...there you are. ~ Buckaroo Banzai
So I've been listening to it on Spotify for a while, but my hard copy of Hammock's Everything and Nothing just arrived.
I'm really digging it. Sometimes shoegaze-y type music can wind up just making me bored, and Hammock has a few tracks guilty of that in their back catalogue. This album keeps me interested, though, with one qualifier: it's long (73 minutes). While the quantity is appreciated to some extent, I will say that with an album of this length I find that the earlier tracks get listened to a lot more than the later tracks. For whatever reason, 45 minutes to an hour is about how long I will spend listening to music in a single sitting and so the tracks that appear at the end of a long album will be unloved.
The use of vocals on the album is effective. It reminds me a lot of one of my favorite tracks from a different group: "Take Me Somewhere Nice" by Mogwai, which I have previously described as one of the most pleasurable listening experiences available to humankind. The voices are another texture to be appreciated rather than the focus of the track, as they would be in more pop-oriented work.
Having ordered the hard copy, I was a bit disappointed by the artwork. From the few pictures I saw online I thought the covers and internals would be a bit more vibrant than they actually are. Maybe it's something to do with the apparently environmentally-friendly ink.
I don't know where he got the scorpions, or how he got them into my mattress.
New Stage Kids jam for folks into some instrumental math and the like; this track sits somewhere between CHON and Mahogany Hand Glider, with some nice interplay between rhodes and clean fret-tapped guitar —
An old n' sweet Baths track with an amazing video! I'm not too warm on his newer stuff, it's not bad it's just that I liked his earlier material so much better. :sad:
I've understood it he's having a much bigger audience these days though so good for the guy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVTrZjY2K5I
That "impossible guitar" track sounds a lot like rara avis, albeit a bit more complex. But recommended nonetheless if you like that sort of pastoral blend of spanish/classical guitar and drone.
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Even more proof that BR working at all is a legit miracle and the ultimate vindication of what all the members of Queen were/are as musicians.
I know if my lead singer brought in a sketch for a piece with 9 key changes, 12+ chords, 5+ tempos, and asked me to nail a soprano B-flat 5, I don't know whether I'd laugh, cry, or simply punch him in the face.
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okay so I havent listened to much punk in years, and some quick googling for 'punk music 2000s' brings up a lot of hits for pop-punk, which isn't what I want
more looking for bad religion/pennywise type of stuff
so uh, anyone have any punk rock recommendations from the past 15 or so years
okay so I havent listened to much punk in years, and some quick googling for 'punk music 2000s' brings up a lot of hits for pop-punk, which isn't what I want
more looking for bad religion/pennywise type of stuff
so uh, anyone have any punk rock recommendations from the past 15 or so years
@skippydumptruck Most punk bands getting recognition nowadays are doing some combination of pop-punk, emo, post-hardcore, shoegaze, noise, and/or indie rock. It's an exciting time for punk but I don't know a lot of bands that are doing that meat-and-potatoes classic street punk sound anymore. Some of these might be up your alley though:
The new White Lung album is pretty poppy even compared to the last. I still mostly like it--maybe not quite as good, but no bad songs and a bunch of great songs is enough for me.
Iceage is another punk band that I really like--and I don't go out of my way to listen to a lot of punk, so take that how you will. New Brigade is a great album, though I'm not as familiar with their more recent stuff. Loud, and with the single longest song clocking in at 3 minutes exactly. But with enough melody underneath that they can satisfy me even when I'm in a pop mood (which is nearly always).
okay so I havent listened to much punk in years, and some quick googling for 'punk music 2000s' brings up a lot of hits for pop-punk, which isn't what I want
more looking for bad religion/pennywise type of stuff
so uh, anyone have any punk rock recommendations from the past 15 or so years
Jello Biafra (former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys) has a new band he's been with for the last 8 years or so
All the "crack rock steady" bands (Leftover Crack, Choking Victim, Star Fucking Hipsters, etc) are great although pretty heavy, borderline metal sometimes
skippydumptruck — Toasted Plastic's June Highs is pretty good. High School kids playing sloppy and shouting about drugs and girls, etc....
thanks for the rec
I did not love it -- what is math rock?
In this case it's mostly a misnomer, more suggestive of aspirations than anything really contained within the music. But if it feels less punk to you, that's probably why. (The guitarists play stuff too many notes into a phrase and whatnot.)
More often than not "math rock" refers to technically adept musics that employ shifting rhythmic textures, like Alarmist:
This isn't what you're looking for, but it's the closest I have to offer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYC1Q5am9Sw
This record holds such a high bar imo! They never cross the line into insipid pop-punk, just playing accessible and energetic lite-core, and doing it well, throughout the whole damn thing. And I'm not even into this sort of thing normally.
Stuff like Drug Church and Single Mothers might be up your alley if you're looking for that 90's punk feel, but there's nothing really being released with that sort of sound at the minute (especially since all those bands are still touring and putting out mostly bad records).
Unrelated, I am just back from Primavera Sound.
Vince Staples, Air, Alex G and Beach Slang were great. Radiohead, Animal Collective and Sigur Ros kinda sucked. I missed LCD due to clashes and Drive Like Jehu/Action Bronson because of general festivaling. I was gonna see Freddie Gibbs but he cancelled because he was arrested on a rape charge.
Primavera is the best festival in the world. Everyone should go if they get the chance.
Radiohead and Sigur Ros sucked, whaaa?? Are you just not a fan or are their current shows just underwhelming? I watched some clips from when Radiohead first started playing the new songs, and they sounded pretty tight.
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Radiohead and Sigur Ros sucked, whaaa?? Are you just not a fan or are their current shows just underwhelming? I watched some clips from when Radiohead first started playing the new songs, and they sounded pretty tight.
I am not really a Radiohead fan and also their sound was just... underwhelming? There were loads of complaints about it. Also the atmosphere seemed super dead? Could have just been where we were but it was no energy to it.
I like Sigur Ros but I don't think they are suited to a large, outdoor stage, especially in a warm country. Every time I've seen a post-rock band play outdoors vs playing indoors (GY!BE, Sigur Ros, EitS, GIAA, Mono), the indoor show has been significantly better.
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This is straight up commercial hard rock and post-grunge, and I'm jamming the shit out of it.
Damn, been years since I heard this last time. That fucking chorus...
The whole album is pretty great and the story feels like a really cool animated movie that never got made or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-xqaE7Ojk8
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Oh dang, Cabaret Voltaire played???
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Yeah, they did a theatre show. My friend went and had a blast but I caught Alex G instead.
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In recent months I stumbled upon a artifact of my youth that I had thought mostly buried in history; I discovered that there had been a glorious revival of sound at some mysterious point in the past in the form of synthwave
Since then, I have been listening to it with a pathological fiendishness, often far too late into the night. Neon and certain longing gazes into Patrick Nagel's mind on canvas have led to a particular hypnotic mania.
Surely this must be old news to such seasoned veterans, but I must lend my ear's bounty at your feet.
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Radiohead and Sigur Ros sucked, whaaa?? Are you just not a fan or are their current shows just underwhelming? I watched some clips from when Radiohead first started playing the new songs, and they sounded pretty tight.
I'm quite fond of Sigur Ros. I only saw them play live once and they were a bit disappointing. The main factor was that the bass player was a split-second behind the beat for the whole show and I was finding it really distracting.
I don't know where he got the scorpions, or how he got them into my mattress.
Sellorekt / LA Dreams: This guy has such a high "low bar", basically everything the man does is damn good!
I recommend starting with Stereo Rewind though, because I can't help but feel that it was his zenith...
Saw At The Drive-In last night at the Fillmore (Philadelphia).
If you're a fan and didn't see them back in the 90's (like me) do whatever you can to catch them before they most likely self destruct again, because holy hell was that a great show.
Edit: They played a ton of Relationship of Command, maybe like four total songs off of In/Casino/Out and Vaya? Of the three albums its probably my least favorite but its really easy to forgive that since it's my first time seeing them and its all new.
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Bands like Faith No More and Primus get credited a lot for the NuMetal thing. I've also seen Helmet, Fugazi, and other "groove"-oriented bands get the nod when it comes to the inspiration. NuMetal had a lot of good bassists and jazz-style drummers, and with bands like Mudvayne they were usually the primary musical focus, with the guitars simply there to outline the riff with a wall of distortion.
Yep.
I've seen (in person) some amazing classical soloists (piano, cello, violin, trumpet) and the finest instrumentalists that modern metal has to offer, and yet I still believe the single greatest musical feat I've ever witnessed was Primus on the Pork Soda tour and all the shit Claypool was able to do on an upright bass whilst jumping around in a giant pig outfit.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
I'm really digging it. Sometimes shoegaze-y type music can wind up just making me bored, and Hammock has a few tracks guilty of that in their back catalogue. This album keeps me interested, though, with one qualifier: it's long (73 minutes). While the quantity is appreciated to some extent, I will say that with an album of this length I find that the earlier tracks get listened to a lot more than the later tracks. For whatever reason, 45 minutes to an hour is about how long I will spend listening to music in a single sitting and so the tracks that appear at the end of a long album will be unloved.
The use of vocals on the album is effective. It reminds me a lot of one of my favorite tracks from a different group: "Take Me Somewhere Nice" by Mogwai, which I have previously described as one of the most pleasurable listening experiences available to humankind. The voices are another texture to be appreciated rather than the focus of the track, as they would be in more pop-oriented work.
Having ordered the hard copy, I was a bit disappointed by the artwork. From the few pictures I saw online I thought the covers and internals would be a bit more vibrant than they actually are. Maybe it's something to do with the apparently environmentally-friendly ink.
http://newnations.bandcamp.com
Good job, copyright mafia.
He just looks so...happy.
I've understood it he's having a much bigger audience these days though so good for the guy!
Soft drone that's just so damn good
This is an odd one, there's a lot of hispanic guitar in there but he's also doing tons of other stuff to mix it up with.
Cool EP-sized performance by Kaki King
Ouch is an understatement.
I know if my lead singer brought in a sketch for a piece with 9 key changes, 12+ chords, 5+ tempos, and asked me to nail a soprano B-flat 5, I don't know whether I'd laugh, cry, or simply punch him in the face.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
And here's the video, in which we can see a little of Sweden's contemporary man of the hour Håkan Hellström playing the drums.
more looking for bad religion/pennywise type of stuff
so uh, anyone have any punk rock recommendations from the past 15 or so years
subwoofer or get out
psh
@skippydumptruck Most punk bands getting recognition nowadays are doing some combination of pop-punk, emo, post-hardcore, shoegaze, noise, and/or indie rock. It's an exciting time for punk but I don't know a lot of bands that are doing that meat-and-potatoes classic street punk sound anymore. Some of these might be up your alley though:
Titus Andronicus
LAGS
Ship Thieves
PUP
White Lung
Edited to add: Can't believe I forgot the last Against Me! album:
Iceage is another punk band that I really like--and I don't go out of my way to listen to a lot of punk, so take that how you will. New Brigade is a great album, though I'm not as familiar with their more recent stuff. Loud, and with the single longest song clocking in at 3 minutes exactly. But with enough melody underneath that they can satisfy me even when I'm in a pop mood (which is nearly always).
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thanks for the rec
I did not love it -- what is math rock?
and the White Lung song a lot
Jello Biafra (former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys) has a new band he's been with for the last 8 years or so
The Rebel Spell is probably the closest sounding to "normal" punk on the list
World/Inferno Friendship Society is Cabaret/Gypsy Punk I guess?
All the "crack rock steady" bands (Leftover Crack, Choking Victim, Star Fucking Hipsters, etc) are great although pretty heavy, borderline metal sometimes
And then there's hybrid electronic/real instrument stuff like Warren Suicide and Motormark
Depending on how much of a purist you are, you might also like some full electronic punk influenced stuff like Kap Bambino
In this case it's mostly a misnomer, more suggestive of aspirations than anything really contained within the music. But if it feels less punk to you, that's probably why. (The guitarists play stuff too many notes into a phrase and whatnot.)
More often than not "math rock" refers to technically adept musics that employ shifting rhythmic textures, like Alarmist:
This isn't what you're looking for, but it's the closest I have to offer...
This record holds such a high bar imo! They never cross the line into insipid pop-punk, just playing accessible and energetic lite-core, and doing it well, throughout the whole damn thing. And I'm not even into this sort of thing normally.
Stuff like Drug Church and Single Mothers might be up your alley if you're looking for that 90's punk feel, but there's nothing really being released with that sort of sound at the minute (especially since all those bands are still touring and putting out mostly bad records).
Unrelated, I am just back from Primavera Sound.
Vince Staples, Air, Alex G and Beach Slang were great. Radiohead, Animal Collective and Sigur Ros kinda sucked. I missed LCD due to clashes and Drive Like Jehu/Action Bronson because of general festivaling. I was gonna see Freddie Gibbs but he cancelled because he was arrested on a rape charge.
Primavera is the best festival in the world. Everyone should go if they get the chance.
I am not really a Radiohead fan and also their sound was just... underwhelming? There were loads of complaints about it. Also the atmosphere seemed super dead? Could have just been where we were but it was no energy to it.
I like Sigur Ros but I don't think they are suited to a large, outdoor stage, especially in a warm country. Every time I've seen a post-rock band play outdoors vs playing indoors (GY!BE, Sigur Ros, EitS, GIAA, Mono), the indoor show has been significantly better.
It helps Emma Anzai is a wild ball of fury.
The whole album is pretty great and the story feels like a really cool animated movie that never got made or something.
Yeah, they did a theatre show. My friend went and had a blast but I caught Alex G instead.
Since then, I have been listening to it with a pathological fiendishness, often far too late into the night. Neon and certain longing gazes into Patrick Nagel's mind on canvas have led to a particular hypnotic mania.
So far I've discovered an adoration of
Carpenter Brut:
and Perturbator
but also Kavinsky as well.
Surely this must be old news to such seasoned veterans, but I must lend my ear's bounty at your feet.
https://mangadrive.bandcamp.com/album/botrun
I'm quite fond of Sigur Ros. I only saw them play live once and they were a bit disappointing. The main factor was that the bass player was a split-second behind the beat for the whole show and I was finding it really distracting.
http://newnations.bandcamp.com
Sellorekt / LA Dreams: This guy has such a high "low bar", basically everything the man does is damn good!
I recommend starting with Stereo Rewind though, because I can't help but feel that it was his zenith...
This is a quite good record, but I kinda feel his later releases don't really keep up with this
Noone mentioned Timecop1983 yet? Is gud
If you're a fan and didn't see them back in the 90's (like me) do whatever you can to catch them before they most likely self destruct again, because holy hell was that a great show.
Edit: They played a ton of Relationship of Command, maybe like four total songs off of In/Casino/Out and Vaya? Of the three albums its probably my least favorite but its really easy to forgive that since it's my first time seeing them and its all new.
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