"Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein tried to capitalize on Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson flubbing a question on world leaders by listing three figures she liked.
But none of the ones she listed are leaders of their respective countries."
Somewhere in the eugenics discussion there's a joke to be made about how the only acquired traits that are inherited aren't genetic but I can't quite get there.
The Frontline documentary “The Choice,” which premiered this week on PBS, reveals that Trump agrees with the dangerous and abusive theory of eugenics.
Trump’s father instilled in him the idea that their family’s success was genetic, according to Trump biographer Michael D’Antonio.
That strikes me as likely and making this quote easier to understand:
''My entire life, I've watched politicians bragging about how poor they are, how they came from nothing, how poor their parents and grandparents were. And I said to myself, if they can stay so poor for so many generations, maybe this isn't the kind of person we want to be electing to higher office,” Trump told Dowd, adding, “How smart can they be? They're morons.”
That is pretty eugenicsy and making a judgment about a person based on a family being poor for several generations.
Jesus, that quote is incredible.
Your parents were poor? Well, fuck you. Winning just isn't in your DNA.
The most fucked up thing about it is you could take that quote to the average poor white republican Trump voter and go "So Trump says this. How do you feel about him saying that when a big part of the republican platform is pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and becoming successful?" And their answer would be like "Fuck yeah Trump telling it like it is, once the government gets out of my way I'm going to become so successful and my family will be rich too!"
Somewhere in the eugenics discussion there's a joke to be made about how the only acquired traits that are inherited aren't genetic but I can't quite get there.
Republicans don't support Darwinian evolution, so maybe they are fans of Lamarck.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
That is exactly what I needed to answer the crazy angry republican accusing me of supporting Hillary's machines of death on FB (his name for drone strikes). Thanks!
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
"Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein tried to capitalize on Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson flubbing a question on world leaders by listing three figures she liked.
But none of the ones she listed are leaders of their respective countries."
C'mon guys, no sati...
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I'm no Stein fan, but this is a pretty uncharitable interpretation.
They're foreign politicians, some of whom do lead their parties, that she agrees with. I know "world leader" should probably be interpreted as "head of state" but I don't think she gave a poor answer to the question itself.
In trying to one-up Johnson she dropped the ball though.
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I think the Hillary Shuffle is the best thing about the debate.
It shows her fun side. Humanizes the hell out of her. Totally refutes the "cold ambitious lady macbeth ice queen" bullshit.
No way to measure this, but I think it helps her more than anything she said about policy.
"Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein tried to capitalize on Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson flubbing a question on world leaders by listing three figures she liked.
But none of the ones she listed are leaders of their respective countries."
C'mon guys, no sati...
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I'm no Stein fan, but this is a pretty uncharitable interpretation.
They're foreign politicians, some of whom do lead their parties, that she agrees with. I know "world leader" should probably be interpreted as "head of state" but I don't think she gave a poor answer to the question itself.
In trying to one-up Johnson she dropped the ball though.
and that's all she was trying to do since no one actually asked her the question. she didn't just make a mess of it, she did so while trying to be smug to one of her opponents.
I feel like the amount of time we spend talking about Johnson and Stein is grossly disproportionate to their actual impact on this election anything at all, ever
That is exactly what I needed to answer the crazy angry republican accusing me of supporting Hillary's machines of death on FB (his name for drone strikes). Thanks!
I mean Hillary is warmonger and a lot of innocent people will die in horrific explosions because of her
But it's not like Donald 'maybe nuclear war wouldn't be so bad' Trump would be any better so
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
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I feel like the amount of time we spend talking about Johnson and Stein is grossly disproportionate to their actual impact on this election anything at all, ever
Gary Johnson's apparent impact on my sister (MY KIN!) is enough to make me interested in his flubs and gaffes
Also Johnson and Stein are gathering historically higher support than previous third parties have done in Presidential elections, and this is a very strange, very abnormal election, so analyzing their lack of personal or professional charisma and readiness in spite of this sheds light on the similarly historical unfavorability of the two main party candidates. I don't really believe people are claiming to support the Libertarian Party or the Green Party in higher numbers this year because they've really captured too many hearts and minds. It's because they're fallback parties for disaffected undecideds, wayward Republicans lost in the wilderness who can't seem to bring themselves to vote for Trump, still-bitter Democrats who weren't really in the Bernie movement for the Bernie and won't follow him where he has gone, or blase low-info voters who aren't a part of your system, man.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
I spent my mid teenage years thinking I'd vote republican when the time came, and my late teens on the libertarian objectivism bandwagon. Why? Because my dad, despite being a life-long lower middle class blue collar worker with a wife who collects social security for disability and had to have medicaid to get healthcare for me and my sister as kids taught me all that bullshit. Bootstraps, small government is all we need, flat taxes will solve everything, etc. He's one of those people that just wants Bush 1 fiscal conservatism to still be what his party is about and can't come to grips with the reality.
It's so sad too, because my Dad is one of the hardest working people you'll meet, and one of the kindest to his family and friends, but I can't even talk politics with him because of some of the ugliness that's come out of it. He just simply doesn't understand political policy at all. I've tried so many times to talk to him about the kinds of policies I hope to see in the future, and he often even agrees with them. He just can't divorce himself from the R and what he grew up believing. He at least hates Trump and is baffled that the republicans nominated him, though I don't know if he'll even vote, and I assume if he does he will still vote R.
Honestly, I'm just lucky that I met my wife when I was young, because I give her immense compassion and kindness about 90% of the credit for helping me develop the empathy and understanding of other people that I needed to shed the stuff I was taught as a kid.
I spent my mid teenage years thinking I'd vote republican when the time came, and my late teens on the libertarian objectivism bandwagon. Why? Because my dad, despite being a life-long lower middle class blue collar worker with a wife who collects social security for disability and had to have medicaid to get healthcare for me and my sister as kids taught me all that bullshit. Bootstraps, small government is all we need, flat taxes will solve everything, etc. He's one of those people that just wants Bush 1 fiscal conservatism to still be what his party is about and can't come to grips with the reality.
It's so sad too, because my Dad is one of the hardest working people you'll meet, and one of the kindest to his family and friends, but I can't even talk politics with him because of some of the ugliness that's come out of it. He just simply doesn't understand political policy at all. I've tried so many times to talk to him about the kinds of policies I hope to see in the future, and he often even agrees with them. He just can't divorce himself from the R and what he grew up believing. He at least hates Trump and is baffled that the republicans nominated him, though I don't know if he'll even vote, and I assume if he does he will still vote R.
Honestly, I'm just lucky that I met my wife when I was young, because I give her immense compassion and kindness about 90% of the credit for helping me develop the empathy and understanding of other people that I needed to shed the stuff I was taught as a kid.
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
Heh, no worries. Sorry if my response came off as harsh.
I hate individual examples of things like that, because they are absolutely due to your location and the distribution of people in your area.
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
I feel like the amount of time we spend talking about Johnson and Stein is grossly disproportionate to their actual impact on this election anything at all, ever
Is it though? Votes for either of them would most likely be for Clinton otherwise.
I feel like the amount of time we spend talking about Johnson and Stein is grossly disproportionate to their actual impact on this election anything at all, ever
Gary Johnson's apparent impact on my sister (MY KIN!) is enough to make me interested in his flubs and gaffes
Also Johnson and Stein are gathering historically higher support than previous third parties have done in Presidential elections, and this is a very strange, very abnormal election, so analyzing their lack of personal or professional charisma and readiness in spite of this sheds light on the similarly historical unfavorability of the two main party candidates. I don't really believe people are claiming to support the Libertarian Party or the Green Party in higher numbers this year because they've really captured too many hearts and minds. It's because they're fallback parties for disaffected undecideds, wayward Republicans lost in the wilderness who can't seem to bring themselves to vote for Trump, still-bitter Democrats who weren't really in the Bernie movement for the Bernie and won't follow him where he has gone, or blase low-info voters who aren't a part of your system, man.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be discussed! By all means, discuss them.
I'm simply saying that in previous elections polling has failed to accurately show how little 3rd party candidates get. It's possible they'll overperform this year because one of the candidates is a bloviating, nonsensical pathological liar, but I'm adopting a wait-and-see attitude on it. My instinct is that when push comes to shove and the reality of Johnson and Stein's lack of electability sets in at the polls, people will still vote R or D. With the exception of the die-hard SouthParkdebate.jpg crowd.
I think they're overperforming in polls right now because giving an answer on a poll to express your displeasure is safe.
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A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
Heh, no worries. Sorry if my response came off as harsh.
I hate individual examples of things like that, because they are absolutely due to your location and the distribution of people in your area.
fwiw it is true that poor white people receive the lion's share of federal assistance for poverty
not really a subjective statement in either direction, there are just more of them than anyone else
I feel like the amount of time we spend talking about Johnson and Stein is grossly disproportionate to their actual impact on this election anything at all, ever
I mean, it's something to talk about. Otherwise we'd just spend 90% of the time tearing our hair out about trump and the other 10% yelling about media bias.
A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
Heh, no worries. Sorry if my response came off as harsh.
I hate individual examples of things like that, because they are absolutely due to your location and the distribution of people in your area.
fwiw it is true that poor white people receive the lion's share of federal assistance for poverty
not really a subjective statement in either direction, there are just more of them than anyone else
Oh absolutely, and I am not at all defending the validity of any claim in either direction.
Just the hatred of the; "Well, in my one specific instance it's not true, therefor it is entirely false!" type claims. If you want to call someone out and make fun of them, I expect scientific proof.
Except for Trump, he just gets a free pass at mockery. Not that you need it.
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A huge chunk of the white working class GOP voting base are just temporarily displaced millionaires. If the government would just get out of their way, they'd be rolling in the money they are clearly owed.
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
Heh, no worries. Sorry if my response came off as harsh.
I hate individual examples of things like that, because they are absolutely due to your location and the distribution of people in your area.
fwiw it is true that poor white people receive the lion's share of federal assistance for poverty
not really a subjective statement in either direction, there are just more of them than anyone else
Oh absolutely, and I am not at all defending the validity of any claim in either direction.
Just the hatred of the; "Well, in my one specific instance it's not true, therefor it is entirely false!" type claims. If you want to call someone out and make fun of them, I expect scientific proof.
Except for Trump, he just gets a free pass at mockery. Not that you need it.
yeah definitely frustrating that every right wing person seems to have a personal anecdote of people abusing welfare systems
like
no one is claiming the system can't be abused
focusing on the abuse is beside the point of the systems, and preventing what little abuse there is mostly just makes it so people who honestly need the assistance won't get it
Talking about welfare abuse is exactly how R politicians get people, even those who collect welfare themselves to get behind the R policies to fuck over welfare. Because they go "Hey, look at those guys over there. Not you, you're a hard worker who needs just a bit of help. But those people over there are buying flat screen TVs with welfare money and just not working at all!
Without being able to play their voters against an other, I think republicans wouldn't have won an election in the last 20 years.
Talking about welfare abuse is exactly how R politicians get people, even those who collect welfare themselves to get behind the R policies to fuck over welfare. Because they go "Hey, look at those guys over there. Not you, you're a hard worker who needs just a bit of help. But those people over there are buying flat screen TVs with welfare money and just not working at all!
Without being able to play their voters against an other, I think republicans wouldn't have won an election in the last 20 years.
This is the exact strategy behind support for stop and frisk. Hey look at those guys over there. Not you, you're a responsible gun owner. But those people over there who are doing something that looks suspicious. Let's take their guns, because they're probably illegal!
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C'mon guys, no sati...
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The most fucked up thing about it is you could take that quote to the average poor white republican Trump voter and go "So Trump says this. How do you feel about him saying that when a big part of the republican platform is pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and becoming successful?" And their answer would be like "Fuck yeah Trump telling it like it is, once the government gets out of my way I'm going to become so successful and my family will be rich too!"
Republicans don't support Darwinian evolution, so maybe they are fans of Lamarck.
flashbacks to 2008 with this video
nice to see a funny political video for this election that isn't HERE YOU CAN SEE THE DOCTOR BEHIND HER INSERTING THE LIFE-PROLONGING MEDICATION TO KEEP HER FAILING BODY ALIVE
omg he made another one too
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That is exactly what I needed to answer the crazy angry republican accusing me of supporting Hillary's machines of death on FB (his name for drone strikes). Thanks!
Fuckin taxes keeping us down.
Now grab the food stamps, lets go get some Red Bull.
I'm no Stein fan, but this is a pretty uncharitable interpretation.
They're foreign politicians, some of whom do lead their parties, that she agrees with. I know "world leader" should probably be interpreted as "head of state" but I don't think she gave a poor answer to the question itself.
In trying to one-up Johnson she dropped the ball though.
It shows her fun side. Humanizes the hell out of her. Totally refutes the "cold ambitious lady macbeth ice queen" bullshit.
No way to measure this, but I think it helps her more than anything she said about policy.
and that's all she was trying to do since no one actually asked her the question. she didn't just make a mess of it, she did so while trying to be smug to one of her opponents.
'MERCIA!
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But it's not like Donald 'maybe nuclear war wouldn't be so bad' Trump would be any better so
Also, in PPP, the anti-Trump Republican Pants and I can't be bothered to remember the name of.
As someone who had to use food stamps for a couple of months in my 20's due to life kicking me in the face, I can say with some anecdotal authority that most of the people I saw in the food stamp office were in fact not brown "welfare queens", but dyed in the wool, "fuck the government", I vote GOP and have a confederate flag on my truck (next to the gun rack), white people.
Which is my semi-humorous way of saying that cognitive dissonance is a staple of hardcore conservatism in America today.
So you were in every food stamp office in america?
I mean, I am not saying that stereotype IS true. But you are also kind of making another one.
No of course not. You did read the second part right? I figured "anecdotal authority" would be enough to tip off the tongue in cheek nature of the first statement...
pleasepaypreacher.net
Nope!
Send me money in recompense!
Gary Johnson's apparent impact on my sister (MY KIN!) is enough to make me interested in his flubs and gaffes
Also Johnson and Stein are gathering historically higher support than previous third parties have done in Presidential elections, and this is a very strange, very abnormal election, so analyzing their lack of personal or professional charisma and readiness in spite of this sheds light on the similarly historical unfavorability of the two main party candidates. I don't really believe people are claiming to support the Libertarian Party or the Green Party in higher numbers this year because they've really captured too many hearts and minds. It's because they're fallback parties for disaffected undecideds, wayward Republicans lost in the wilderness who can't seem to bring themselves to vote for Trump, still-bitter Democrats who weren't really in the Bernie movement for the Bernie and won't follow him where he has gone, or blase low-info voters who aren't a part of your system, man.
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Sorry, yes, that entire first statement was meant to be very tongue in cheek. Sorry if the joke was missed. I saw plenty of people who actually, truly, needed help, regardless of their skin color, voting preference or religious views. Which is the entire idea of state assistance.
It was just a humorous way to agree with Cog about the cognitive dissonance among a large part of the electorate.
It's so sad too, because my Dad is one of the hardest working people you'll meet, and one of the kindest to his family and friends, but I can't even talk politics with him because of some of the ugliness that's come out of it. He just simply doesn't understand political policy at all. I've tried so many times to talk to him about the kinds of policies I hope to see in the future, and he often even agrees with them. He just can't divorce himself from the R and what he grew up believing. He at least hates Trump and is baffled that the republicans nominated him, though I don't know if he'll even vote, and I assume if he does he will still vote R.
Honestly, I'm just lucky that I met my wife when I was young, because I give her immense compassion and kindness about 90% of the credit for helping me develop the empathy and understanding of other people that I needed to shed the stuff I was taught as a kid.
I bet he's a against unions too.
Heh, no worries. Sorry if my response came off as harsh.
I hate individual examples of things like that, because they are absolutely due to your location and the distribution of people in your area.
Is it though? Votes for either of them would most likely be for Clinton otherwise.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be discussed! By all means, discuss them.
I'm simply saying that in previous elections polling has failed to accurately show how little 3rd party candidates get. It's possible they'll overperform this year because one of the candidates is a bloviating, nonsensical pathological liar, but I'm adopting a wait-and-see attitude on it. My instinct is that when push comes to shove and the reality of Johnson and Stein's lack of electability sets in at the polls, people will still vote R or D. With the exception of the die-hard SouthParkdebate.jpg crowd.
I think they're overperforming in polls right now because giving an answer on a poll to express your displeasure is safe.
fwiw it is true that poor white people receive the lion's share of federal assistance for poverty
not really a subjective statement in either direction, there are just more of them than anyone else
I mean, it's something to talk about. Otherwise we'd just spend 90% of the time tearing our hair out about trump and the other 10% yelling about media bias.
Oh absolutely, and I am not at all defending the validity of any claim in either direction.
Just the hatred of the; "Well, in my one specific instance it's not true, therefor it is entirely false!" type claims. If you want to call someone out and make fun of them, I expect scientific proof.
Except for Trump, he just gets a free pass at mockery. Not that you need it.
yeah definitely frustrating that every right wing person seems to have a personal anecdote of people abusing welfare systems
like
no one is claiming the system can't be abused
focusing on the abuse is beside the point of the systems, and preventing what little abuse there is mostly just makes it so people who honestly need the assistance won't get it
yes please, by all means, ask your supporters whether you should continue scraping the bottom of the barrel
Without being able to play their voters against an other, I think republicans wouldn't have won an election in the last 20 years.
This is the exact strategy behind support for stop and frisk. Hey look at those guys over there. Not you, you're a responsible gun owner. But those people over there who are doing something that looks suspicious. Let's take their guns, because they're probably illegal!
Trump not getting enough credit for using her correct title.
It's amazing he doesn't bitch about not getting accolades for wiping his own ass.
"You're supposed to you dumb mother fucker you want a cookie?"
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