Yes the states-rights position has been held by such bigots as John Kerry and Al Gore.
Shh. Adults are talking.
Oh sorry, toolbot, I forgot that it's only a bigoted opinion if held by the right.
No, it's a bigoted opinion regardless of who holds it. You're just a fucking retard who seems to enjoy saying the most inflammatory shit possible in order to get a reaction. You contribute nothing to these discussions in any way other than attempting to get people to notice you and your attention whoring antics.
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where does mccain stand on civil unions by the way
In 2004, McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, arguing that each state should be able to choose whether to recognize same-sex marriage.[117][118] He supported the failed 2006 Arizona initiative to ban gay marriage.[119]
In December 2007, McCain said that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy should remain in place, citing reports from military leaders that "this policy ought to be continued because it's working."[120]
When asked if he supported civil unions of homosexuals, McCain said: "I do not."[121]
if you were going to be fair and not biased you would also have mentioned
McCain joined a movement in the Senate that evolved into a public gesture: As employers, senators would not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Specifically, 71 senators, McCain among them, signed a statement that pertained to hiring practices on capitol Hill: sexual orientation would not a consideration.
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
well hey that ain't bad but that whole "no civil unions" thing is absolute bullshit
also
Known for his generally conservative voting record, including opposing legalized abortion, McCain has not towed a typical Republican line. For example, he has called the ban on same-sex marriage "un-Republican." The ban "usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them," he said in July 2004.
Most of his positions are based around the states rights issue and less so around the same-sex civil unions
if nothing else I can respect the man for holding his own opinions and doing more than toeing the party line and pandering to the religious neoconservatives
However when all is said and done I don't think he's the best candidate because I don't think he necessarily perceives a problem with the way some things are going right now. But it could also be because he doesn't want to alienate his political base any more than he already has.
He should have jumped the republican ship years ago.
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he opposed it based on the fact that states shouldn't be forced to recognize it one way or the other
I realize the means may not justify the ends in this case, but that's the way it goes
I would say given his record he is not overtly anti-gay rights. But when it comes down to gay rights or state rights, he sides in the favor of the states ability to make their own decisions in the matter, which they are and have been doing
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edited May 2008
It's all sweaty men and masculine woman pretending to beat eachother up to me.
You're just a fucking retard who seems to enjoy saying the most inflammatory shit possible in order to get a reaction. You contribute nothing to these discussions in any way other than attempting to get people to notice you and your attention whoring antics.
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Yes the states-rights position has been held by such bigots as John Kerry and Al Gore.
Shh. Adults are talking.
Oh sorry, toolbot, I forgot that it's only a bigoted opinion if held by the right.
Because it's generally only held by the right so that they can be bigoted.
It was held by the last two people your party put up for President.
Did they also vote to prevent it in their states? As you say...cite please.
But I never said that. How it works is, you have to wait for the other guy to say something wrong and *then* ask for a cite.
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Honestly, if two dudes getting married is your biggest concern facing the country right now you really need to step back and reevaluate. That goes for people for and against it.
Honestly, if two dudes getting married is your biggest concern facing the country right now you really need to step back and reevaluate. That goes for people for and against it.
Pretty much
also if congress stops attempting to interfere, eventually enough states will have a referendum to allow an amendment to the constitution
It is stupid, but people do care about it, and you can't make them stop caring
Yes the states-rights position has been held by such bigots as John Kerry and Al Gore.
Shh. Adults are talking.
Oh sorry, toolbot, I forgot that it's only a bigoted opinion if held by the right.
Because it's generally only held by the right so that they can be bigoted.
It was held by the last two people your party put up for President.
Did they also vote to prevent it in their states? As you say...cite please.
But I never said that.
But it's part of the original statement that started this whole line of comments. You said "Al Gore and John Kerry too" to the statement about John McCain. John McCain was against a federal bill for gay marriage and a state specific law. He's against it.
Is Al Gore and John Kerry against it as a state specific law? If not, then no...the last 2 guys the Dems put up for president do not share the same platform for gay marriage that Senator Cryptkeeper does.
Honestly, if two dudes getting married is your biggest concern facing the country right now you really need to step back and reevaluate. That goes for people for and against it.
Yes the states-rights position has been held by such bigots as John Kerry and Al Gore.
Shh. Adults are talking.
Oh sorry, toolbot, I forgot that it's only a bigoted opinion if held by the right.
Because it's generally only held by the right so that they can be bigoted.
It was held by the last two people your party put up for President.
Did they also vote to prevent it in their states? As you say...cite please.
But I never said that. How it works is, you have to wait for the other guy to say something wrong and *then* ask for a cite.
What you mean is that Democrats support states' rights so that they can allow gay marriage and legalize relatively harmless recreational substances in their states, whereas Republicans support states' rights so that they can dictate to women what they're going to do with their bodies, and make sure the darkies don't get too uppity.
Yes, I can see how that's exactly the same thing. This is totally a valid comparison.
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I hold this position
Hillary scares the shit out of me. I support most of her positions just as I support most of Obama's. But I can't support her as a decent human being.
No, it's a bigoted opinion regardless of who holds it. You're just a fucking retard who seems to enjoy saying the most inflammatory shit possible in order to get a reaction. You contribute nothing to these discussions in any way other than attempting to get people to notice you and your attention whoring antics.
I won't vote for Hillary. She's a fucking psycho.
McCain isn't perfect by a long stretch, but I do not want Hill-rod in the Whitehouse.
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she's still much better than any neoconservative
also
Known for his generally conservative voting record, including opposing legalized abortion, McCain has not towed a typical Republican line. For example, he has called the ban on same-sex marriage "un-Republican." The ban "usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them," he said in July 2004.
Most of his positions are based around the states rights issue and less so around the same-sex civil unions
if nothing else I can respect the man for holding his own opinions and doing more than toeing the party line and pandering to the religious neoconservatives
However when all is said and done I don't think he's the best candidate because I don't think he necessarily perceives a problem with the way some things are going right now. But it could also be because he doesn't want to alienate his political base any more than he already has.
He should have jumped the republican ship years ago.
I don't get this
is Hill-Rod supposed to be some kind of witticism to denigrate her, like the up-close shots of her laughing or grinning from odd angles
oh and another thing I don't care for about McCain: I really, really don't care for any of his potential running mates
Did they also vote to prevent it in their states? As you say...cite please.
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I realize the means may not justify the ends in this case, but that's the way it goes
I would say given his record he is not overtly anti-gay rights. But when it comes down to gay rights or state rights, he sides in the favor of the states ability to make their own decisions in the matter, which they are and have been doing
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You really haven't watched wrestling in a while have you?
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hahahahahaahaha oh god this fucking quote tree is great
It was pretty clearly the unstated major premise.
Pretty much
also if congress stops attempting to interfere, eventually enough states will have a referendum to allow an amendment to the constitution
It is stupid, but people do care about it, and you can't make them stop caring
I do not know but I know that there aren't any masculine women in wrestling, just a bunch of former strippers
But it's part of the original statement that started this whole line of comments. You said "Al Gore and John Kerry too" to the statement about John McCain. John McCain was against a federal bill for gay marriage and a state specific law. He's against it.
Is Al Gore and John Kerry against it as a state specific law? If not, then no...the last 2 guys the Dems put up for president do not share the same platform for gay marriage that Senator Cryptkeeper does.
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but the difference is gore and kerry weren't for ban gay marriage in their states, and mccain was
In the past eight years, I've come to have less and less respect for the man. Because he became a pet.
he has a duty to represent his constituents and their wishes
Obviously you don't understand my America.
You can just get out.
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Yes, I can see how that's exactly the same thing. This is totally a valid comparison.
Like anyone in politics really acts in the best interest of their people.
It's all about the PARTY.
But he's a maverick. He does what he thinks is right, not what polls or advisers tell him.
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no he doesn't
the american people are way too stupid to have any say in the government
if nothing else can be said about mccain is that he has routinely given the finger to his party
it's their biggest contention with him
and thanatos you're an ultraliberal douchebag just as bad as the ultraconservative far right religious douchebag
don't you see how you're the on the opposite end of the idiot spectrum, and just as bad
Good man.
What year is it?