The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
So we know what incompetent businesspeople like the former HP CEO think....how about a successful one like Warren Buffet?
Bwahaha, according to the comments, one of the most successful capitalists in history is actually a Socialist!
That Warren plans to suopport the Democratic Party says all you need to know. Like all liberal rich people who endorse Democrats or Socialists, they know they won't be affected by nay restrictive tax policies put into play by the Dems/Libs.
Spoilered to spare your eyes from the stupid if you care not to gaze upon it.
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
Perhaps we should be concerned with the question of whether she conducted state business on a private e-mail account, which would be bad enough. But it gets compounded when one picks a bad password and reminder answer.
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
So, just out of curiosity, is there any level of incompetence on the part of your candidates that you wouldn't be comfortable with?
Would it be ok if they regularly try to eat their own shit, because there'll be a guy standing around to keep them from doing that, too?
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
What
It's true. Presidents and VPs have legions of people to do this stuff for them.
It's not exactly a positive to lack that skill, but it's not a show-stopper. I'd put it in the general "basic professionalism" pot of qualities that any politician / business leader should have.
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
What
You see every task you perform as the president is done second-hand, by your subordinates.
You don't even have to really have set foot on this plane of existence.
Expect 2012 to bring in a few candidates representing the Dark Tower and Amber, as well as a couple Dimensional Shamblers.
God damn we've been over this. Besides, when she gets into the White House she'll have to use their protocols for security.
I mean unless the McCain administration deliberately switches administration and political decision-making and discussions to a non-White House e-mail server. But why would any President do that? It's laughable! I mean you'd have to essentially refuse secure communications and the accountability of having e-mail records be available for oversight purposes! It's inconceivable!
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
So, just out of curiosity, is there any level of incompetence on the part of your candidates that you wouldn't be comfortable with?
Would it be ok if they regularly try to eat their own shit, because they'll be a guy standing around to keep them from doing that, too?
Well, I assume McCain's phycially incapable of changing a tire but I'm not posting "OMG WHAT IF HE GETS A FLAT ON THE WAY TO THE G8 SUMMIT?!?!"
They are: 1. Palin isn't qualified to hold high electoral office because she doesn't know how to follow basic electronic security guidelines.
Is this a serious post.
Well, it's a given that she doesn't know how to follow basic electronic security guidelines. It's also a given that she lacks a basic grasp of the sort of professionalism that would keep one from performing sensitive work functions on a goddamned Yahoo account. My only quibble is that few people are going to really get why the whole Yahoo account thing was a big deal to begin with. We've known about this for a week, and it's gotten no traction because nobody cares. Random Guy in Ohio probably doesn't understand why what Palin did was so fucking stupid. The fact that she had "popcorn" as her password and her zip code as the answer to her security question won't resonate, because Random Guy probably does the same thing.
Which is entirely the problem. We don't need anyone who acts like RandomGuy527 running the fucking country. An average person would know jack all about handling even the simplest of issues the President addresses. Why we so highly praise the strength of the average is beyond me.
They are: 1. Palin isn't qualified to hold high electoral office because she doesn't know how to follow basic electronic security guidelines.
Is this a serious post.
Well, it's a given that she doesn't know how to follow basic electronic security guidelines. It's also a given that she lacks a basic grasp of the sort of professionalism that would keep one from performing sensitive work functions on a goddamned Yahoo account. My only quibble is that few people are going to really get why the whole Yahoo account thing was a big deal to begin with. We've known about this for a week, and it's gotten no traction because nobody cares. Random Guy in Ohio probably doesn't understand why what Palin did was so fucking stupid. The fact that she had "popcorn" as her password and her zip code as the answer to her security question won't resonate, because Random Guy probably does the same thing.
Which is entirely the problem. We don't need anyone who acts like RandomGuy527 running the fucking country. An average person would know jack all about handling even the simplest of issues the President addresses. Why we so highly praise the strength of the average is beyond me.
This. This could also be taken right out of Atlas Shrugged, I always knew you guys loved Rand deep down!
That damn Fed'ruhl Gubberment! Teachin' our kids 'bout tha AIDS. Thems Lib-ruhls be pollutin' they minds!
Seriously though.. We can't teach kids some form of sexual education at a young age because they might start having intercourse at 7? Aside from the fact that boys cannot produce or maintain an erection until ~10.. what harm can you do? Frighten them from an early age to think sex is an act that is best left to consenting, responsible adults and that it has dire consequences? Perish the thought!
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
What
You see every task you perform as the president is done second-hand, by your subordinates.
You don't even have to really have set foot on this plane of existence.
Expect 2012 to bring in a few candidates representing the Dark Tower and Amber, as well as a couple Dimensional Shamblers.
Running on a platform of protecting the multiverse from collapse into primordial chaos is good politics.
Well, I assume McCain's phycially incapable of changing a tire but I'm not posting "OMG WHAT IF HE GETS A FLAT ON THE WAY TO THE G8 SUMMIT?!?!"
Yes that is completely comparable
it is not as though McCain is completely unfamiliar with the 21st century equivalents of the concepts of "highways" and "cars" and the problems people face in interacting with these items
we're just complaining he doesn't know 8086 assembly
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The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
So, just out of curiosity, is there any level of incompetence on the part of your candidates that you wouldn't be comfortable with?
Would it be ok if they regularly try to eat their own shit, because they'll be a guy standing around to keep them from doing that, too?
Well, I assume McCain's phycially incapable of changing a tire but I'm not posting "OMG WHAT IF HE GETS A FLAT ON THE WAY TO THE G8 SUMMIT?!?!"
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
So, just out of curiosity, is there any level of incompetence on the part of your candidates that you wouldn't be comfortable with?
Would it be ok if they regularly try to eat their own shit, because they'll be a guy standing around to keep them from doing that, too?
Well, I assume McCain's phycially incapable of changing a tire but I'm not posting "OMG WHAT IF HE GETS A FLAT ON THE WAY TO THE G8 SUMMIT?!?!"
What.
Fine, but perhaps this lack of password security would contribute to a narrative of her greeness.
Hey, could someone PM me that image of mccain vs the falling DOW from CNN? Or a youtube clip if it's out there. I can't seem to find it and this thread is too huge to search.
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I think it's forbidden to talk about politics in my household now.
I found out my parents are going to be voting McCain. I asked them why and they said because Obama has been doing nothing but lying his entire campaign.
I asked them what he's lied about, but they couldn't give me a straight answer. Then they went on to say that he wants to tax us to give more money to the jobless, and something about country wide health care and how that's bad for the economy.
I just told them that they're scared of change, and it's okay because it's coming. We don't need George Bush the Second in office (I only say that to piss people off, I don't really believe that too much).
Obama, a liar?
You should print out that factcheck.com follow-up piece. "Mom, dad? Remember that factcheck.com site that McCain mentioned is his ads? Here's what they said about how he represented them."
What I am saying is that computers are handy tools for people to get information and communicate with other people.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the President primarily gets his information in a series of carefully-prepared reports or meetings with various experts.
So, while computers are certainly essential to running our country, the people on top never actually have to use them.
Now, you can certainly argue that there are policy level decisions that need to be made wrt technology, but just like every other sector, there are experts available. Obama probably doesn't know all that much about auto assembly plants or open-heart surgery, but that does not disqualify him from making decisions that affect manufacturing or healthcare fields.
The point is that having basic computer literacy is absolutely essential to the job she's performing now, much less the job we are hopefully not going to vote her into, and she has demonstrated that she lacks basic computer literacy.
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
Perhaps we should be concerned with the question of whether she conducted state business on a private e-mail account, which would be bad enough. But it gets compounded when one picks a bad password and reminder answer.
That. The idea that she was using her personal email account to conduct business, presumably to keep it off the official system, is bad enough and suggests that she's unethical. The fact that said email account was easy to crack for the average 14-year-old just makes her incompetent as well. I'd still say it's good icing for that "WTF was Palin thinking" cake, though.
You honestly think the VP would be allowed anywhere near a public mail account o_O
I mean, I guess you can make some byzantine point about how her mindset isn't geared towards security or something but the idea that this kind of thing would ever happen as a veep is ludicrous.
You know, I'd suggest that (a week ago) something like this happening to my governor was ludicrous. But thank you, Sarah Palin, for lowering the bar. Oh, and I'd also have assumed that it happening to the VP candidate from a major party was pretty ludicrous as well.
But you're right, I'm sure she'll get this shit straight before she takes over in the White House. If only because I guess there's nowhere lower for the bar to go.
I agree with Deacon. While I think it's important to have an understanding of computing insofar as making policy decisions is concerned, I can easily see the President going for extended periods of time without having to use a computer - computers might make it EASIER, so it wouldn't surprise me if they used them, but it's not essential.
What I am saying is that computers are handy tools for people to get information and communicate with other people.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the President primarily gets his information in a series of carefully-prepared reports or meetings with various experts.
So, while computers are certainly essential to running our country, the people on top never actually have to use them.
Now, you can certainly argue that there are policy level decisions that need to be made wrt technology, but just like every other sector, there are experts available. Obama probably doesn't know all that much about auto assembly plants or open-heart surgery, but that does not disqualify him from making decisions that affect manufacturing or healthcare fields.
But see, Sarah Palin was using a computer as Governor. And she did so in a manner that was unethical and/or incompetent. Is it ludicrous as well to suggest that this lack of ethics and/or competency might not translate to other aspects of her performance as VP?
Or, the short version: this just shows that Sarah is slimy and idiotic in general, and thus unqualified to be VP.
I think it's forbidden to talk about politics in my household now.
I found out my parents are going to be voting McCain. I asked them why and they said because Obama has been doing nothing but lying his entire campaign.
I asked them what he's lied about, but they couldn't give me a straight answer. Then they went on to say that he wants to tax us to give more money to the jobless, and something about country wide health care and how that's bad for the economy.
I just told them that they're scared of change, and it's okay because it's coming. We don't need George Bush the Second in office (I only say that to piss people off, I don't really believe that too much).
My family keeps coming to me to talk about politics, oddly enough.
I have all of them firmly set against McCain. Convincing them to go for Obama is proving rather difficult, though. My sister has some misgivings on the abortion front (she was going to become a nun at one point) and on a few other matters which I can respect, but she asks me to send any news that I get, and I remain convinced that in the voting booth, she'll go for Obama. My father likes to laugh at all the stupidity with me, but he's in the "they're both silly" crowd and plans on voting for Barr as an objection vote. Given that they're in VA and he's normally Republican, I count that as a win. My mother is....interesting. She likes Obama better, but she has somehow managed to make issues which haven't even been remotely mentioned (for example, a theoretical draft) her central sticking point, and I can't seem to convince her how silly that is. My inclination is that she's going to vote for Barr too, per my Dad's influence.
However, with your family, they're citing specific things - show them the taxation chart, and describe Obama's health care plan as it actually is to them, while pointing out that 20 million Americans would LOSE employer-granted healthcare under McCain because he wants to remove the benefits that corporations get for providing healthcare, and tax health care benefits as income.
Well, that's the last time I ever pay attention to Qingu
I like it when people make it easy like this
Doesn't Qingu dislike all forms of organized religion?
Between his singling out Judaism and the crack about the "Jew York Times", I'm thinking it goes deeper than that?
Have you not seen the arguments we've had about Islam? I vehemently disagree with his views on religion, but I disagree that he's bigoted against any specific religion.
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But...but...COUNTRY FIRST! Not everything is about YOU!
I strongly disagree, it's completely possible to be an effective President or VP and never sit in front of a computer yourself.
That said, by all means, go after Palin on this. I'm sure you'll flip that swing state where people who care about password strength is a key demographic.
Bwahaha, according to the comments, one of the most successful capitalists in history is actually a Socialist!
Spoilered to spare your eyes from the stupid if you care not to gaze upon it.
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woo back on top baby
Perhaps we should be concerned with the question of whether she conducted state business on a private e-mail account, which would be bad enough. But it gets compounded when one picks a bad password and reminder answer.
So, just out of curiosity, is there any level of incompetence on the part of your candidates that you wouldn't be comfortable with?
Would it be ok if they regularly try to eat their own shit, because there'll be a guy standing around to keep them from doing that, too?
It's true. Presidents and VPs have legions of people to do this stuff for them.
It's not exactly a positive to lack that skill, but it's not a show-stopper. I'd put it in the general "basic professionalism" pot of qualities that any politician / business leader should have.
We were just joshing. It's not like any of us actually dislike jewish people here (well openly anyway).
So anyway, new obama ad very nice, he also had an article in the seattle PI today in the opinion section detailing his education plan.
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You see every task you perform as the president is done second-hand, by your subordinates.
You don't even have to really have set foot on this plane of existence.
Expect 2012 to bring in a few candidates representing the Dark Tower and Amber, as well as a couple Dimensional Shamblers.
I mean unless the McCain administration deliberately switches administration and political decision-making and discussions to a non-White House e-mail server. But why would any President do that? It's laughable! I mean you'd have to essentially refuse secure communications and the accountability of having e-mail records be available for oversight purposes! It's inconceivable!
Well, I assume McCain's phycially incapable of changing a tire but I'm not posting "OMG WHAT IF HE GETS A FLAT ON THE WAY TO THE G8 SUMMIT?!?!"
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This. This could also be taken right out of Atlas Shrugged, I always knew you guys loved Rand deep down!
That damn Fed'ruhl Gubberment! Teachin' our kids 'bout tha AIDS. Thems Lib-ruhls be pollutin' they minds!
Seriously though.. We can't teach kids some form of sexual education at a young age because they might start having intercourse at 7? Aside from the fact that boys cannot produce or maintain an erection until ~10.. what harm can you do? Frighten them from an early age to think sex is an act that is best left to consenting, responsible adults and that it has dire consequences? Perish the thought!
Running on a platform of protecting the multiverse from collapse into primordial chaos is good politics.
Yes that is completely comparable
it is not as though McCain is completely unfamiliar with the 21st century equivalents of the concepts of "highways" and "cars" and the problems people face in interacting with these items
we're just complaining he doesn't know 8086 assembly
What.
Well I'm more concerned with if he knows how to properly fill a beer glass. This is important!
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I want a President I can have a beer with. Not some fancy pants computer using elitist.
Ironically, I would have gotten killed in the H.C. for being "Jewish."
Fine, but perhaps this lack of password security would contribute to a narrative of her greeness.
I like it when people make it easy like this
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Obama, a liar?
You should print out that factcheck.com follow-up piece. "Mom, dad? Remember that factcheck.com site that McCain mentioned is his ads? Here's what they said about how he represented them."
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the President primarily gets his information in a series of carefully-prepared reports or meetings with various experts.
So, while computers are certainly essential to running our country, the people on top never actually have to use them.
Now, you can certainly argue that there are policy level decisions that need to be made wrt technology, but just like every other sector, there are experts available. Obama probably doesn't know all that much about auto assembly plants or open-heart surgery, but that does not disqualify him from making decisions that affect manufacturing or healthcare fields.
I thought this was the case as well.
That. The idea that she was using her personal email account to conduct business, presumably to keep it off the official system, is bad enough and suggests that she's unethical. The fact that said email account was easy to crack for the average 14-year-old just makes her incompetent as well. I'd still say it's good icing for that "WTF was Palin thinking" cake, though.
Oh, and before I forget:
You know, I'd suggest that (a week ago) something like this happening to my governor was ludicrous. But thank you, Sarah Palin, for lowering the bar. Oh, and I'd also have assumed that it happening to the VP candidate from a major party was pretty ludicrous as well.
But you're right, I'm sure she'll get this shit straight before she takes over in the White House. If only because I guess there's nowhere lower for the bar to go.
What kind of half-assed atheist do you take me for?
Between his singling out Judaism and the crack about the "Jew York Times", I'm thinking it goes deeper than that?
edit: or not.
But see, Sarah Palin was using a computer as Governor. And she did so in a manner that was unethical and/or incompetent. Is it ludicrous as well to suggest that this lack of ethics and/or competency might not translate to other aspects of her performance as VP?
Or, the short version: this just shows that Sarah is slimy and idiotic in general, and thus unqualified to be VP.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/06/14/barr/index.html
Ask them if Bob Barr is really the sort of man who they can trust to uphold his principles.