one time i saw some anime gore porn that made me kinda sick
that doesn't happen to me very often
yeah I've got a pretty strong stomach but for some reason there was this one guro manga that actually made me kind of sick. Not terribly so, but enough so that it was uncomfortable and I had to just kind of chill out. Imagine that! After seeing so many horrible things like basically any horrifying / gross video on the internet ever, I get grossed out by something some dude drew! Weird.
I wish it were, but I earnestly believe this. Its unfortunate as I have so many film and arts friends who are baffled by my position.
I am of course presenting my view in an exaggerated extremist way, but this is the controversy thread after all. And I feel this argument cant make the thread any worse than the penis-splitting 2 girls and a cup derailment.
Okay okay. Firstly, when did you first begin believing this? Was it something you always believed and it built up over time or was it like a realization? You don't even have to answer this. I just thought it'd be a fun question?
Secondly, what are some prime examples of works that "glaring ways that people ignore and write off as eccentricities"?
The various asian horror films that became popular with the american remakes is probably a big example for me.
I find both versions (The Ring, Grudge etc) pretty awful, but the American ones felt better paced and less clumsy, and more importantly, scary. For instance, the Japanese Ring went on about goblins and goblin kings or something when they got to that island. Whereas the US version had a very unnerving and earnest story of a couple that tried so hard to get a child, but couldnt, they were not meant to have a child, they then went off into the wilderness, and came back with a child. That is scary. A sense of the unknown, something which does not need exposition. The Japanese version, like many asian films, was so full of exposition and silly obscure cultural themes, that I found it mind-numbingly incoherent and dull.
I used to love asian films, they had this bizzare originality to them, but over time it sort of became apparent that it was hollow. I just got more and more dissapointed when they would inevitably have some incredibly off sequence or a stark change in pacing that would derail and ruin the film.
I cannot think of many more instances off the top of my head, but mainly I find a lot of Asian films extremely self-indulgent and confused, trying to cram in as much useless crap as they can. Conversely I've found US films, even the pulp, have a tried and true quality to them which relies on effective pacing and a no-bs attitude to story-telling.
Im not saying I hate all foreign films, its just often the best ones follow westernised formulas, very few subvert those formulas effectively.
The french new wave from France gave us Jean Luc Godard and Francois Truffaut and Japan gave us Kurosawa and Russia gave us Andrei Tarkovsky and these people basically made quality film what it is today.
I think a lot of good foreign film makers get produced here under both big labels and small labels these days too. Fox Searchlight is a good example of this. Just because something was produced by an American production company for release in the states doesn't mean some exec didn't see it at Cannes and offer to bring it over here.
There is an argument that Stalin succeeded in marshaling the resources of Russia for the first time in history and modernizing them (after a couple early failures) he created Industry in Russia.
Mao was more of a wash -- China's success has more to do with Nixon than Mao probably.
yeah, but Stalin also murdered millions of people for disagreeing with his beliefs! This guy is claiming "Oh, well, it was all neccessary and he is a HERO for defeating Hitler"
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A whole lot of people in China still love Mao despite the whole cultural revolution thing
My brother brought me back a mao t-shirt and a mao bag.
No permanent friends in international relations, just permanent interests.
We needed him and he needed us--without Russian manpower and Hitler's stupidity millions more may have died. There is no justification for internment of innocent Japanese Americans either, but it doesn't have much to do with our strangling of Japan's oil supply, or D-day, or the Marshall plan.
So its pretty scary whats happening in Russia now. My grandfather's brother lives there and hes apparently distraught by how the majority of the youth have such a warped view of the past. They either dont care or consider the communist years a shining wonderland of patriotic awesome. Basically its that whole 'you vote the tyrants in' dealy.
The french new wave from France gave us Jean Luc Godard and Francois Truffaut and Japan gave us Kurosawa and Russia gave us Andrei Tarkovsky and these people basically made quality film what it is today.
Not that you're wrong, but if for example you look at the total number of influential Russian filmmakers vs the number of influential American filmmakers from the same time period, I think you're going to see it weighed heavily in America's favor. The same is true, in my opinion, of just about any given country at any given period in filmmaking. I might be willing to give French New Wave the advantage, but even that I would consider the exception and not the rule.
If the position were "any American movie is better than any foreign movie" then sure, that'd be crazy. But I don't think it's inaccurate to say that the volume of quality (both technically and creative) films produced by America has outpaced pretty much every other area of the world. Considering how much money there is in American cinema, it would be pretty strange if that weren't the case.
Not to mention, many of the most influential foreign filmmakers in turn took their inspiration from Americans. For example, Kurosawa's influence on the West is undeniable, but so is his reliance on American filmmakers like John Ford and the like for direction and inspiration. It was basically his entire desire to bring Western-style filmmaking to Japan, and he obviously succeeded fantastically.
Final Fantasy blows balloons. I died twice ten minutes in to Final Fantasy 4 on the DS before saving and have to go through the stupid cut scenes again which I can't bothered to do.
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Final Fantasy blows balloons. I died twice ten minutes in to Final Fantasy 4 on the DS before saving and have to go through the stupid cut scenes again which I can't bothered to do.
now now, Final Fantasy, while incredibly overhyped and stale, has brought forth some incredible storylines. Let us not forget FF6 (FF7 can get bent).
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Final Fantasy blows balloons. I died twice ten minutes in to Final Fantasy 4 on the DS before saving and have to go through the stupid cut scenes again which I can't bothered to do.
now now, Final Fantasy, while incredibly overhyped and stale, has brought forth some incredible storylines. Let us not forget FF6 (FF7 can get bent).
The second time I was turned to stone and didn't realise that that killed you. My character was still standing up! I didn't even know that he had been turned to stone in the first place!!
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yeah I've got a pretty strong stomach but for some reason there was this one guro manga that actually made me kind of sick. Not terribly so, but enough so that it was uncomfortable and I had to just kind of chill out. Imagine that! After seeing so many horrible things like basically any horrifying / gross video on the internet ever, I get grossed out by something some dude drew! Weird.
Now that's just trolling.
I am of course presenting my view in an exaggerated extremist way, but this is the controversy thread after all. And I feel this argument cant make the thread any worse than the penis-splitting 2 girls and a cup derailment.
Uh, I guess I'd like to know... hmm...
Okay okay. Firstly, when did you first begin believing this? Was it something you always believed and it built up over time or was it like a realization? You don't even have to answer this. I just thought it'd be a fun question?
Secondly, what are some prime examples of works that "glaring ways that people ignore and write off as eccentricities"?
I find both versions (The Ring, Grudge etc) pretty awful, but the American ones felt better paced and less clumsy, and more importantly, scary. For instance, the Japanese Ring went on about goblins and goblin kings or something when they got to that island. Whereas the US version had a very unnerving and earnest story of a couple that tried so hard to get a child, but couldnt, they were not meant to have a child, they then went off into the wilderness, and came back with a child. That is scary. A sense of the unknown, something which does not need exposition. The Japanese version, like many asian films, was so full of exposition and silly obscure cultural themes, that I found it mind-numbingly incoherent and dull.
I used to love asian films, they had this bizzare originality to them, but over time it sort of became apparent that it was hollow. I just got more and more dissapointed when they would inevitably have some incredibly off sequence or a stark change in pacing that would derail and ruin the film.
I cannot think of many more instances off the top of my head, but mainly I find a lot of Asian films extremely self-indulgent and confused, trying to cram in as much useless crap as they can. Conversely I've found US films, even the pulp, have a tried and true quality to them which relies on effective pacing and a no-bs attitude to story-telling.
Im not saying I hate all foreign films, its just often the best ones follow westernised formulas, very few subvert those formulas effectively.
The french new wave from France gave us Jean Luc Godard and Francois Truffaut and Japan gave us Kurosawa and Russia gave us Andrei Tarkovsky and these people basically made quality film what it is today.
Forster, Cuaron, Mendez, Inarritu, Fincher, Anderson. etc
Watch "The Birds" and then watch "Saw IV." Then come back here and try to pull some artistic equivalency bullshit. I will wreck your face.
speaking of controversy, there's a troll on SA who is basically praising Stalin and Mao as great leaders and not merciless assholes at all
Mao was more of a wash -- China's success has more to do with Nixon than Mao probably.
My brother brought me back a mao t-shirt and a mao bag.
We needed him and he needed us--without Russian manpower and Hitler's stupidity millions more may have died. There is no justification for internment of innocent Japanese Americans either, but it doesn't have much to do with our strangling of Japan's oil supply, or D-day, or the Marshall plan.
Halloween
Bam fuck yourself
And seriously why would you purposely pick a great film and a shitty film as comparisons. That's just dumb.
If the position were "any American movie is better than any foreign movie" then sure, that'd be crazy. But I don't think it's inaccurate to say that the volume of quality (both technically and creative) films produced by America has outpaced pretty much every other area of the world. Considering how much money there is in American cinema, it would be pretty strange if that weren't the case.
Not to mention, many of the most influential foreign filmmakers in turn took their inspiration from Americans. For example, Kurosawa's influence on the West is undeniable, but so is his reliance on American filmmakers like John Ford and the like for direction and inspiration. It was basically his entire desire to bring Western-style filmmaking to Japan, and he obviously succeeded fantastically.
American videogames versus Japanese videogames.
Steam - Talon Valdez :Blizz - Talonious#1860 : Xbox Live & LoL - Talonious Monk @TaloniousMonk Hail Satan
!!!!
They made that game where you jam your fingers up peoples buts.
Adv. Japan
Japan - That game where you find witches by groping underaged girls.
Steam - Talon Valdez :Blizz - Talonious#1860 : Xbox Live & LoL - Talonious Monk @TaloniousMonk Hail Satan
His stories of avoiding students trying to shove their thumbs up his ass were so funny.
Other times we get Katamari though!
Also I just hate JRPG's. HATE
Sean Connery is a chav.
I require a link for this blog.
not that I'm defending them or anything, they have vending machines for used underwear for chrissake
Except Baldur's Gate II.
There ya go chief.
http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html
http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/introduction_-.phtml
Second link is a good example story.
Japan thinks we're Rob Liefeld
pretty much, yeah
and we think they're Cloud Strife clones, or something to that effect
now now, Final Fantasy, while incredibly overhyped and stale, has brought forth some incredible storylines. Let us not forget FF6 (FF7 can get bent).
The thing is, it's easy to forget Madden...but it's out there. Oh yes, it's out there.
The second time I was turned to stone and didn't realise that that killed you. My character was still standing up! I didn't even know that he had been turned to stone in the first place!!
Japan makes some cool arcade and puzzle games.