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Russians sure like their Doomsdays

QuestionMarkManQuestionMarkMan Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Social Entropy++
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So Wired has a great article on Russia's Doomsday system.

It was built 25 years ago and was designed to obliterate the US no matter what happened to the USSR—and it still works today.
The point of the system, he explains, was to guarantee an automatic Soviet response to an American nuclear strike. Even if the US crippled the USSR with a surprise attack, the Soviets could still hit back. It wouldn't matter if the US blew up the Kremlin, took out the defense ministry, severed the communications network, and killed everyone with stars on their shoulders. Ground-based sensors would detect that a devastating blow had been struck and a counterattack would be launched.

The technical name was Perimeter, but some called it Mertvaya Ruka, or Dead Hand. It was built 25 years ago and remained a closely guarded secret.

The scary thing is that Perimeter still works today. At least according to Valery Yarynich, a former Soviet colonel now 72 years old. Yarynich should know, though: He worked 30 years at the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces and Soviet General Staff helping to build it.

Now, when Perimeter is activated, it sends up these babies.

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This is an SS-17 ICBM master missile, which are launched first. Once they are in the skies, they activate the launch for all the Russian nukes.

That includes every single nuclear weapon, every one of the Russian Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles in ground silos, nuclear submarines, and heavy bombers around the world. Scary stuff indeed.

But fear not, fellow humans, because the Perimeter system is not completely automatic. The actual red button is apparently activated by a soldier hidden in some underground bunker.

But wait, say Russia does launch all their nukes at us, or wait let's say they launch at the entire planet. Could they kill us all?
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According to the Guardian Datablog and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, only 12.5% of the planet's surface is actually occupied by humans. A total of 18,617,500 square kilometers.
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Now, the most powerful active nuclear warhead in the world is the B83, which has a destructive power of two hundred Little Boys, the bomb that destroyed part of Hiroshima. That's a 14.9-square-kilometer total destruction area. Complete instant tanning, and obliteration of anything in sight. To give you an idea of what this space means, Manhattan is 58.8 square kilometers. Central London is 26 square kilometers.
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Now divide the total number of square kilometers by the destruction radius of the B83 to get the total number of nukes required for instant annihilation. As you can see, we need 123.36 times the amount of nukes available today: 10,227 nukes vs 1,241,166 nukes needed to completely disintegrate every single one of us in a millisecond.

Conclusion: WE NEED MORE NUKES, NOT FEWER. Better die instantly than having to survive nuclear winter.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    World peace will apparently break out once we let Russia retake it's satellite states.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited September 2009
    Of course, we have more than enough nukes to wipe out all the urban centers on the planet, effectively killing 40-50% of us in one drop.

    Sure, Rural Kentucky lives... but that really isn't humanity.

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This thread has potential.

    The only way to defeat the system is to have it play Tic-Tac-Toe.

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    Maybe you need to learn how to stop worrying.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited September 2009
    The Geek wrote: »
    Maybe you need to learn how to stop worrying.

    But I don't wanna love the bomb!

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  • Agent VesagoAgent Vesago Half Iago. Half Fu Manchu. All Bastard. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I thought this was gonna be about a Superman Red Son Doomsday thing.

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    but we can't hug our children with nuclear arms.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The Geek wrote: »
    Maybe you need to learn how to stop worrying.

    Says you, living in fucktown arizona in the middle of goddam nowhere. My apartment will be the first place to go. If there's a nuclear war, I'll be dead so fast that in the barren, charred wasteland you will be breathing me in as you struggle to survive. Because I'm basically dust.

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  • cadmunkycadmunky One hand on the bottle, The other a shaking fist.Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    i have proven time and again that i can survive a nuclear holocaust. video games told me so.

    this does not frighten me.

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    In 5 years this will become sentient

    but instead of deciding all human life must be eradicated, it'll just hook up to the internet and become a porn addict.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    We could trick it into killing all mutants.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I like to think I live in a decent place to ride out apocalyptic scenarios.

    I'm a few hundred miles inland from the Gulf of Mexico, so I don't get hit by hurricanes and won't have to worry about sea level rise. There are no major fault lines anywhere near my city. My city is of modest size, and has no strategic importance, so it probably wouldn't be nuked.

    I'm also more than a thousand miles away from Yellowstone National Park, just in case that fucker ever goes off.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Harrier wrote: »
    I like to think I live in a decent place to ride out apocalyptic scenarios.

    I'm a few hundred miles inland from the Gulf of Mexico, so I don't get hit by hurricanes and won't have to worry about sea level rise. There are no major fault lines anywhere near my city. My city is of modest size, and has no strategic importance, so it probably wouldn't be nuked.

    I'm also more than a thousand miles away from Yellowstone National Park, just in case that fucker ever goes off.

    If the Yellowstone Super caldera blows, being on North America means you'll probably be dead.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ruckus wrote: »
    Harrier wrote: »
    I like to think I live in a decent place to ride out apocalyptic scenarios.

    I'm a few hundred miles inland from the Gulf of Mexico, so I don't get hit by hurricanes and won't have to worry about sea level rise. There are no major fault lines anywhere near my city. My city is of modest size, and has no strategic importance, so it probably wouldn't be nuked.

    I'm also more than a thousand miles away from Yellowstone National Park, just in case that fucker ever goes off.

    If the Yellowstone Super caldera blows, being on North America means you'll probably be dead.

    He just means that if it does go, because he's a thousand miles away he has a few minutes warning and time to do one last thing of importance before he dies.

    I'm guessing masturbation.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited September 2009
    The Docu-Drama discovery did on the yellowstone caldera was so fucking awful.

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Iran is sick and tired of Russia taking all the glory


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8274903.stm
    Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Iran concealed a partially-built second uranium enrichment plant in defiance of calls for transparency over its nuclear plans, US President Barack Obama says.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Butters wrote: »
    We could trick it into killing all mutants.

    You really don't need that many nukes for Wales.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Nice work on that OP. That is thorough.

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  • SilmarilSilmaril Mr Ha Ha Hapless. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    BigDes wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    We could trick it into killing all mutants.

    You really don't need that many nukes for Wales.

    Its the only way to be sure...

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Wait, France has more nukes than China?

    That is fantastic.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Bad-Beat wrote: »
    but we can't hug our children with nuclear arms.

    Dammit my nuclear-powered bionic arms are more than suitable for child-hugging

    You bigot

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2009
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    Maybe you need to learn how to stop worrying.

    Says you, living in fucktown arizona in the middle of goddam nowhere. My apartment will be the first place to go. If there's a nuclear war, I'll be dead so fast that in the barren, charred wasteland you will be breathing me in as you struggle to survive. Because I'm basically dust.

    Arizona?

    What?

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Bad-Beat wrote: »
    but we can't hug our children with nuclear arms.

    Dammit my nuclear-powered bionic arms are more than suitable for child-hugging

    You bigot

    Man you could hug the crap out kids with nuclear bionic arms.

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ruckus wrote: »
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Bad-Beat wrote: »
    but we can't hug our children with nuclear arms.

    Dammit my nuclear-powered bionic arms are more than suitable for child-hugging

    You bigot

    Man you could hug the crap out kids with nuclear bionic arms.

    what I'm saying is that kids these days break too easily.

    You try and hug them and they just die or become crippled

    fuckin' kids.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    War never changes.
    ):

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  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    nuclear war is terrifying.

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  • QuestionMarkManQuestionMarkMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Should any of you gents want to survive a nuclear holocaust, buying your own missle base to hide out in and launch your own retaliation may be what you want!

    For more info check out this terribly designed website

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  • SilmarilSilmaril Mr Ha Ha Hapless. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    nuclear war is hilarious.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Antimatter weaponry is also scary, 1kg would give a yield of about 40 megatons at full efficiency

    Of course at current rates it would take 2 trillion years and cost $62.5 quadrillion to produce such a device, and that's assuming a sudden breakthrough that gives us perfectly efficient storage, but it’s a threat to us all

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  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    only if you set it to yakety sax

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  • T. J. Nutty Nub T. J. Nutty Nub Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Actually, one of the biggest assumptions we had during the Cold War was that if the Russians got in a limited engagement without nukes, that authorization to launch would have to come from the Kremlin.

    not so

    Colonels (I believe) had the authorization to launch nukes without any other authorization

    That's scary

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  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Silmaril wrote: »
    nuclear war is kind of a turn on.

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  • SilmarilSilmaril Mr Ha Ha Hapless. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    only if you set it to yakety sax

    I should keep it on my MP3 player in case the worst should happen.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Antimatter weaponry is also scary, 1kg would give a yield of about 40 megatons at full efficiency

    Of course at current rates it would take 2 trillion years and cost $62.5 quadrillion to produce such a device, and that's assuming a sudden breakthrough that gives us perfectly efficient storage, but it’s a threat to us all
    Did you just read a Dan Brown novel?

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I was going to mention Dan Brown, but felt he didn't have any place in a thread full of facts.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Antimatter weaponry is also scary, 1kg would give a yield of about 40 megatons at full efficiency

    Of course at current rates it would take 2 trillion years and cost $62.5 quadrillion to produce such a device, and that's assuming a sudden breakthrough that gives us perfectly efficient storage, but it’s a threat to us all
    Did you just read a Dan Brown novel?

    Die in a fire for even mentioning that name

    AM has been a staple of science-fiction since forever

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I was going to mention Dan Brown, but felt he didn't have any place in a thread full of facts.
    Yeah. ):

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited September 2009
    Dan Brown's new book is pretty rad, he talks about how George Washington tried to ascend to godhood, nude.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Fuzzy

    You have killed the thread, or at best condemned it to chaos

    Happy?

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  • honey nut cheerioshoney nut cheerios __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2009
    Antimatter is a good idea, use the fissile matierials to build safe clean power stations!

    Use crazy physics to blow stuf up!

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