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Are avocados healthy?

UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
My mum got her physical recently and it wasn't great news. High blood sugar as well as cholesterol. She's been eating avocados in place of butter on her toast but she's worried because they seem so creamy that they might not be great healthwise. I've googled around a bit and most signs seem to point to them being good for the body but I can't really interpret some of the data. So are they a good food choice for my mom? Can she eat too much? She seems to go through about 1 a week right now.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Underdog wrote: »
    My mum got her physical recently and it wasn't great news. High blood sugar as well as cholesterol. She's been eating avocados in place of butter on her toast but she's worried because they seem so creamy that they might not be great healthwise. I've googled around a bit and most signs seem to point to them being good for the body but I can't really interpret some of the data. So are they a good food choice for my mom? Can she eat too much? She seems to go through about 1 a week right now.

    One avocado a week? I wouldn't worry about it.

    EDIT: From a random Google search...

    "Avocados are indeed high in fat, but they're high in monounsaturated fat, the good fat, the kind of fat that may actually help lower blood cholesterol levels. And as you rightly said, avocados contain no cholesterol — no plant foods do."

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Why would she single out avocados as a possible health risk? There are probably tons of other things in her diet that are worse. Toast is worse, I believe.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    They are high in fat (relative to other fruit), but as Esh said, it's monounsaturated, so better for you.

    So as a replacement for butter, definitely an improvement. As a replacement for oatmeal or an apple, probably not as a good choice.

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  • elfdudeelfdude Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Avocados are one of the few fruits/vegetables that contain fat. So they are high in calories. However the fat they contain is generally accepted to help reduce cholesterol. The best diet for reducing cholesterol is a diet low in processed fats and high in whole grain fiber (specifically water soluble fiber) and low in calories.

    They should be fine with her just keep in mind they have a lot of calories.

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  • ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Aye as others have said, swapping these guys for butter is definitely a better choice. They still are quite caloric though so if she's looking to cut down on overall fat or total calories then they may not be the best choice.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    avocados are good

    toast is probably worse for her than avocados

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Avocados are very good for you. Which kinda sucks, because I remember the day's when Avocados used to sell for 25 cents each, instead of today's price of damn near a fucking dollar per avocado.

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  • ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Avocados are very good for you. Which kinda sucks, because I remember the day's when Avocados used to sell for 25 cents each, instead of today's price of damn near a fucking dollar per avocado.

    Amen. :( Here in California I've seen them get up to almost 2 dollars per in the off-season. :(

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ok I'll let her know it's cool. She didn't single it out for all her problems, she was just trying to figure out what in her diet might be contributing. She's not using it as a replacement for food, just something to put on her toast. And we've stopped buying white bread a while ago. Usually it's a whole grain of some kind. Country Harvest is the most common but right now we're working our way through a few loaves of Dempsters whole grain. She usually has 1 slice and has a bowl of oatmeal with no sugar.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    If she wants to isolate the problem factors, she should keep a record of what she eats and drinks in a week and then present that to someone who knows a fair amount about nutrition. Ideally that'd be her doctor or someone who specializes in diet, but I'm sure even people in this forum could make some helpful suggestions.

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  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    toast is probably worse for her than avocados

    Sorry, not true.

    You need some fat, and avocado is less unhealthy than many alternative fats, but generally speaking fat is the worst thing you can eat even if it is monounsaturated.

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  • Zombie NirvanaZombie Nirvana Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Depends on the toast and what "bad" means.

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    She probably doesn't have to have plain oatmeal, she can throw some fruit or cinnamon into it. Unless of course she enjoys just plain oatmeal, but I can't even eat it.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    kedinik wrote: »
    toast is probably worse for her than avocados

    Sorry, not true.

    You need some fat, and avocado is less unhealthy than many alternative fats, but generally speaking fat is the worst thing you can eat even if it is monounsaturated.

    To put in perspective, one avocado has 45% D.V. of fat, and 21% D.V. of saturated fat. Of the sources of fat out there, they're not bad. Problem is that on top of everything else she eats they're probably a significant source of fat in her diet.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Man I was really hoping for a "Yeah they're good." or "No, avoid them." but it seems like the answer is more like "Well it depends on what else she's eating."

    We have found perhaps the biggest culprit for the drastic change. Cheese. She was eating those single sliced processed cheeses for like 2 months now because she thought she could get some more calcium (she's already taking calcium pills and these other pills to prevent osteperosis). Otherwise she consumes a lot of green veggies (go Chinese diet), only eats a mixture of brown/wild rice. Oatmeal and fruit or whole wheat toast and avocado are her usual breakfast. Outside of her lunch which I don't really get to see (I know it's never a lot, she never eats too much in a single meal), she eats pretty healthy. So given that does 1 avocado a week sound like a lot?

    I'm gonna get her to ask her doctor about the avocados and about her diet in general.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    To quote someone awesome, I think you'll find it [diet] is more complicated than that...

    I can't seriously imagine eating a bit of avocado sometimes is going to make any difference to one's blood sugar levels or cholesterol levels.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Underdog wrote: »
    Man I was really hoping for a "Yeah they're good." or "No, avoid them." but it seems like the answer is more like "Well it depends on what else she's eating."

    Go try and figure out if a glass of wine is good for you.

    You will never, ever be so hopeful again.

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  • xa52xa52 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I think her diet sounds very healthy for someone who is concerned with cholesterol or high blood sugar, or anyone really. Whole grains, lots of veggies, oats, fruit, it sounds fine now that she's cut the kraft singles out. You didn't mention any meat though. Animal fat I think is the biggest source of cholesterol you can eat.

    Btw, leafy green vegetables, especially bok choy, are an excellent source of calcium. Oats too. And tofu, if she eats that. Fortified OJ is probably healthier than cheese if she's still having trouble hitting the RDA.

    (Off-topic: How does she keep the avocado fresh and green for tomorrow's toast after it's cut open?)

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  • ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    xa52 wrote: »
    I think her diet sounds very healthy for someone who is concerned with cholesterol or high blood sugar, or anyone really. Whole grains, lots of veggies, oats, fruit, it sounds fine now that she's cut the kraft singles out. You didn't mention any meat though. Animal fat I think is the biggest source of cholesterol you can eat.

    Btw, leafy green vegetables, especially bok choy, are an excellent source of calcium. Oats too. And tofu, if she eats that. Fortified OJ is probably healthier than cheese if she's still having trouble hitting the RDA.

    (Off-topic: How does she keep the avocado fresh and green for tomorrow's toast after it's cut open?)

    The trick I use is to ensure that the seed is touching the flesh when you cut it in half. It's similar to the technique when making guacamole. Essentially the seed inhibits the oxidation that normally occurs with the flesh and will allow it last a bit longer.

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  • SuMa.LustreSuMa.Lustre Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    kedinik wrote: »
    toast is probably worse for her than avocados

    Sorry, not true.

    You need some fat, and avocado is less unhealthy than many alternative fats, but generally speaking fat is the worst thing you can eat even if it is monounsaturated.

    what is so bad about fat

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    She doesn't consume much meat. Not even 1/3 of what I eat. Hell probably not even a 1/4.

    The OJ wouldn't be good for her blood sugar though right? Fruit juices still have a lot of sugar in them. Leafy green veg are pretty much a staple in the household. Maybe once or twice a week we'll have a veg that doesn't qualify (i.e. cauliflower, cabbage, "sui choy"). We do tofu maybe once a week. She's also gotten into making soya bean drink from scratch which is essentially soya beans blended with water and then cooked. She takes her unsweetened.

    As for avocado storage, what she usually does is she just carves a lengthwise chunk out of it and leaves the rest whole, skin and seed together. Imagine those chocolates shaped like oranges that you smash and then take a few slices out of. Like this:

    http://e4rtht0ne.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/chocolate_orange.jpg

    Seems like a bit of avocado in her diet won't be a bad thing and might even be a good one. Thanks guys.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    xa52 wrote: »
    I think her diet sounds very healthy for someone who is concerned with cholesterol or high blood sugar, or anyone really. Whole grains, lots of veggies, oats, fruit, it sounds fine now that she's cut the kraft singles out. You didn't mention any meat though. Animal fat I think is the biggest source of cholesterol you can eat.

    Btw, leafy green vegetables, especially bok choy, are an excellent source of calcium. Oats too. And tofu, if she eats that. Fortified OJ is probably healthier than cheese if she's still having trouble hitting the RDA.

    (Off-topic: How does she keep the avocado fresh and green for tomorrow's toast after it's cut open?)

    The trick I use is to ensure that the seed is touching the flesh when you cut it in half. It's similar to the technique when making guacamole. Essentially the seed inhibits the oxidation that normally occurs with the flesh and will allow it last a bit longer.

    This may help, but I'm pretty sure it's more of an old wife's tale. It turns brown due to an enzymatic process, so anything that slows down enzymes will inhibit the browning. Much more effective would be to soak it in an acid solution. lemon or lime juice, for example, both inhibit the discoloration. Refrigeration should also help.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    yeah the thing about anything being "healthy" is that it's relative. The thing about your mom's diet that strikes me right off is if she's substituting avocados for butter, she might be approaching it in the wrong way.

    For example, for 1 cup, plain pasta is like 220cal while whole wheat is 170. What's even lower calorie is not having any pasta, and replacing it with more veggies. Same with rice -- switching from white rice to brown rice is a little better, but cutting your rice portion in half with dinner will cut a lot more calories.

    Is your mom overweight? I think there's a lot of research that shows that high blood sugar, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure are relatively common things from simply being overweight, as the typical diets that cause the weight gain (too many calories, including fats and non-fats) end up increasing all the "bad things" that a lot of people end up being criticized by their doctors about.

    My dad is pretty fat, not in a roly-poly way but in a "dude looks like a pregnant woman" way, and he's got high cholesterol (round 240), and his diet overall is decent. He still slathers on the "extras" though like mayo, butter, and so on, so those calories (and the associated fats) end up kind of sabotaging the relatively positive things that he eats. This might be similar to your mom's problem -- a good diet overall, but generally might overeat.

    Incidentally the avocado topping is probably better than the toast by itself. 1 tbsp of avocado is 25 calories; 1 piece of whole wheat toast is 80.

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  • celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Fat is not the worst thing for you. It's not even the worst thing for losing weight. I always thought avocados were on the good side. If she's eating lots and lots, of course, it gets to be a lot of calories, but I wouldn't worry too much.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So, the thing about cholesterol is that diet really takes a back seat to genetics. That being said, best guess as to what things in your diet affect cholesterol:

    1. Trans fats - These are probably the biggest culprit in the average American's diet when it comes to cholesterol. If you're trying to reduce cholesterol, drop your trans fats to zero. Anything that says "0g Trans Fats" has trans fats. Yes, that's right, that just means they're rounding.

    2. Saturated fats - Next biggest culprit. About 30% of your calories should come from fat (with one gram of fat being about 9 calories). Of that, if you're on a cholesterol lowering diet, no more than 10% of your fat intake should be saturated fats.

    3. Monounsaturated fats - These are good for you. You want them as high as possible, preferably 95%ish of your daily fat intake.

    4. Omega-3 fatty acids - Very good for you, primarily come from fish. Tuna is a fantastic source of omega 3s.

    5. Dietary fiber - At least 25 grams per day. A good bowl of hippie cereal in the morning with nonfat milk is a great way to get this.

    6. Cholesterol - Yeah, really, doesn't affect your cholesterol much. Possibly not at all. The amount of saturated fat and trans fat you get is way more important.


    As for blood sugar, the key there is to increase your intake of complex carbohydrates - fruits, vegetables, whole grains (not multi-grains, not just "wheat," but whole grains; this includes bread and brown rice), while decreasing your intake of simple carbohydrates (white bread, most fruit juices in the U.S., any sort of non-water, caloric liquid, white rice, etc.). Also, spreading your eating up throughout the day rather than eating larger meals can help to prevent spikes. So, instead of three 600-calorie meals, your mom should try one 500-calorie breakfast, and 5 250-calorie meals. This helps to normalize the blood sugar level so that it doesn't have spikes and valleys quite as much.

    And finally, exercise. Your mom should probably be at least walking for at least half an hour every day. That will help with both the blood sugar and the cholesterol.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Ha! No, no overeating. She doesn't like adding any extra stuff. To be honest, Chinese cooking doesn't really have many in's for extras. Our household isn't much for butter or mayo. It can take us a few months to get through a brick of butter because we're so irregular about eating it. And by we, I mean me.

    She eats like... 2 spoonfuls of rice for dinner. I don't think quantity is really the problem here. She's never really been much for eating a lot in one sitting. Or even snacking for that matter. Plus God himself couldn't get her to stop eating rice entirely and he'd have a pretty tough fight on his hands just trying to get her to go down to 1 spoon. And by spoon I mean chinese spoons. Google that if you don't know what they are.

    Overweight? Yeah but not overly so. She's not in great shape but not to the point where I'd even label her roly-poly. Chubby is probably more accurate. 5ft 1, 110lbs.

    The avocados do get a bit brown but because she keeps the skin on and leaves the seed in, only a really small part is actually exposed to air. And even then, I think she just eats it anyway. I don't think it changes the taste, it just doesn't look very nice.

    Edit: I didn't see Thanatos's post until I posted.

    About the 0 trans fat thing. I've noticed that a lot of products here (I'm in Toronto) will actually list as little as 0.1g. Does that mean I can trust a 0g label? Not that it applies to her. She doesn't eat anything pre-made in terms of meals. I will check her crackers and stuff that she keeps in the car as snacks though.

    2. Now that was why I made the thread in the first place. I saw how much saturated fats were in avocados and started to wonder. Wiki lists it as being 2.13g of the 14.66g that's in avocados. Is that a yay or nay for the creamy fruit then?

    Huh. I'll keep an eye out on the whole grain deal for bread now. Thought wheat was enough. Luckily our usual brand (Country Harvest) advertises as being whole grain.

    Yeah I've tried to get her to do the smaller, more frequent meals thing but it's a no go. Her eating schedule is so up and down because she's jetting around the city trying to make it to appointments and chasing down clients. I'll try it again.

    Now the exercise deal. She does. I think she goes out for nearly an hour of walking everyday. I'm wondering if it's enough. She hates the idea of the gym and will likely fight me tooth and claw if I ever try to make her go.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Underdog wrote: »
    About the 0 trans fat thing. I've noticed that a lot of products here (I'm in Toronto) will actually list as little as 0.1g. Does that mean I can trust a 0g label? Not that it applies to her. She doesn't eat anything pre-made in terms of meals. I will check her crackers and stuff that she keeps in the car as snacks though.

    Check the ingredients for partially hydrogenated oils. I think in the US if it's less than 1g you can call it 0g, but it may be different up there.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah, sorry, didn't notice that you're in Canada. Disregard everything I said regarding food labels; I don't have a fucking clue up there.

    It sounds like your mom is also in a high-stress position, possibly? That doesn't help with either blood sugar or cholesterol.

    I'd suggest she keep a bag of carrots or a couple of apples or something in the car for snacking on. That will really help a ton. And a relatively big, healthy breakfast can help a bunch, too.

    Think you could get her to take up jogging instead of just walking?

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Doo doo doo

    http://www.spacedoc.net/saturated_fat_is_good_for_you_1
    By avoiding bread, potatoes, cakes, cookies, candies and soft drinks these scientists have achieved amazing results. In a few days many diabetic patients were able to skip their insulin and the effect on body weight was much better than those who followed the dietary guidelines.(11)

    And here comes the surprising finding. Even if the diet covered 20-50 percent of calories with saturated fat, nothing happened with the patients' cholesterol, a finding that has been confirmed in many trials.(12)

    And there is more. Already in the eighties American researcher Ronald Krauss found that the most useful risk marker, the best predictor of heart disease among the blood lipids, wasn't the total amount of cholesterol in the blood, neither the bad guy LDL cholesterol, but a special type of LDL particle, the small, dense ones. The most surprising finding was that if somebody ate a high saturated fat diet, the number of these small, dense LDL particles decreased.(13)

    With links to scientific papers

    Sugars and grains and things of that nature are what are worst

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    She's a life insurance agent. I wouldn't say it's high stress, she's just running around a lot. Appointment here, pick up a cheque there, meet a potential client there, etc.

    Yeah I'll take up the fruit/veggie snack with her. Maybe wake up early to prep it for her so she won't have any excuse.

    Jogging will be a tough, tough sell. I'll try though.

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  • ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Avocados have 60% more potassium per volume than bananas, and the most fiber of any fruit on the planet. While they do have a fair amount of calories, they are pretty goddamn good for you. I have a quarter avocado every morning on a piece of toast with the rest of my breakfast. As long as she's not plowing through a whole avocado, she should keep eating them.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah she's at about 1 a week so I think it's cool for her to keep them in the diet.

    Edit: I would've never guessed avocados had fibre though. They're so creamy!

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    a long long walk is pretty good if you're averse to jogging
    walking helps

    I <3 avocados by the way

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  • PasserbyePasserbye I am much older than you. in Beach CityRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Did she mention this to her doctor, as s/he is probably the best equipped to say what she needs in particular for her body type and condition? He may even refer her to a nutritional specialist to determine the healthiest diet.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This reminds me of a coworker who was dieting and went out for sushi with me. She demanded that they not put avocados in her rolls, but then used like a gallon of soy sauce. o_O

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    This reminds me of a coworker who was dieting and went out for sushi with me. She demanded that they not put avocados in her rolls, but then used like a gallon of soy sauce. o_O
    Avocados are very calorie-dense, and soy sauce has practically no calories.

    I mean, it's loaded with sodium, but if your goal is weight loss and you don't really care if you have a heart attack in the next few years, that doesn't really matter.

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  • ErandusErandus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Just so we have some frame of reference, here are the nutrition statistics I found for 1/2 of one average avocado.

    145 calories and 14g of fat with most of it being mono unsaturated.

    A quarter to a half of an avocado seems like really reasonable amounts of those things.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Erandus wrote: »
    Just so we have some frame of reference, here are the nutrition statistics I found for 1/2 of one average avocado.

    145 calories and 14g of fat with most of it being mono unsaturated.

    A quarter to a half of an avocado seems like really reasonable amounts of those things.

    I suppose that's true. I generally think of dieting as being a part of being healthy. Someone just trying to get skinny enough to fit into their bikini could feel otherwise.

    Something about sodium increasing water retention, though?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Erandus wrote: »
    Just so we have some frame of reference, here are the nutrition statistics I found for 1/2 of one average avocado.

    145 calories and 14g of fat with most of it being mono unsaturated.

    A quarter to a half of an avocado seems like really reasonable amounts of those things.

    I suppose that's true. I generally think of dieting as being a part of being healthy. Someone just trying to get skinny enough to fit into their bikini could feel otherwise.

    Something about sodium increasing water retention, though?
    It does, but that's a temporary effect.

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