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I am only halfway done, but I feel like Brandon Sanderson has done more in the chapters I have read then Robert Jordan has done in six books. Only one sniff! Amazing. It doesn't feel exactly like Robert Jordan, but he manages to capture most of the essence while finishing off loose ends.
So far I am very satisfied with this book, and I hope I get the Moiraine Rand meeting payoff I have been waiting for since book six.
friend and I went out the day it came out, and he is done with it and I am abou half way through. Only part either of us has noticed doesn't quite sound like RJ is the prolgue other than that, the book moves to fast to notice anything else.
I like to hear that Sanderson is doing a good job. I might read the entire series once he is done (definitely not before). I stopped reading a couple of books ago out of disgust that the plot wasn't moving at all.
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So is there an Abridged WoT version that I can read before I tackle the last three books? I mean, I would hate to relearn why I hated the series to begin with.
So is there an Abridged WoT version that I can read before I tackle the last three books? I mean, I would hate to relearn why I hated the series to begin with.
http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/
Ultra-condensed summaries of every chapter of every book with handy hyperlinks for the 6 billion characters and locations.
I still really like WoT, and even I recommend reading that site instead of Book 10.
So is there an Abridged WoT version that I can read before I tackle the last three books? I mean, I would hate to relearn why I hated the series to begin with.
http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/
Ultra-condensed summaries of every chapter of every book with handy hyperlinks for the 6 billion characters and locations.
I still really like WoT, and even I recommend reading that site instead of Book 10.
That's the attraction. Jordan was such a superb "world-creator" that I was always happy to gloss over the bad plot issues to learn more about the world and mythology.
So I went to the library yesterday to look around and what do I see? This book. I had no idea it was even coming out around this time.
Now, I really do like this series, but like most people I'll agree that a lot of it just drags along so slowly it's a bit hard to read sometimes. But, having invested so much time in actually reading all the books, I just have to finish it and know what happens and all that jazz. I've only read part of the prologue, but it seem pretty decently paced so far.
I was quite saddened when I learned that Robert Jordan passed, but when I learned that Brandon Sanderson was going to finish writing the last book (well...three books) I was quite overjoyed, as I liked his Mistborn trilogy a great deal, and also liked his new book a lot. Haven't quite gotten around to reading Elantris yet though.
I'm going to go on record as saying I only partially dislike how slowly the plot moves, even in the later books.
My reasoning? I enjoy the simple act of reading. I have plenty of spare time in the evenings while my wife does her arts and crafts hobbies and I don't mind reading endless amounts.
Simply put, more is better for me as I just get to spend more time reading.
So the last book is going to be three books? Wow. That's amazing, I had completely written this off as being too weird to read but I will have to read it if he's taking the time to write three.
My mindset for this is going to be like Star Wars I, II and II. I didn't really expect them and will give them a chance, but if they are horrible I will simply fall back on RJ's original work.
I'm reading this right now, little past halfway done.
Sanderson's really doing a hell of a job. I didn't know how anyone could really tie an ending on the story, but he's doing it, and doing it well. I can somewhat tell the parts that are RJ's and the parts that are Sanderson's, they blend really well.
And the plot moves. It's creaking a bit, but it's moving. Sometimes in leaps. It's turning out to be an entertaining read. And thank God. I've been reading these since Lord of Chaos, so roughly 15 years. Glad to see there's an ending coming.
So is there an Abridged WoT version that I can read before I tackle the last three books? I mean, I would hate to relearn why I hated the series to begin with.
I'm reading this right now, little past halfway done.
Sanderson's really doing a hell of a job. I didn't know how anyone could really tie an ending on the story, but he's doing it, and doing it well. I can somewhat tell the parts that are RJ's and the parts that are Sanderson's, they blend really well.
And the plot moves. It's creaking a bit, but it's moving. Sometimes in leaps. It's turning out to be an entertaining read. And thank God. I've been reading these since Lord of Chaos, so roughly 15 years. Glad to see there's an ending coming.
I am not sure how to think on how the Egwene parts are progressing, but again, any progress is better then no progress.
I picked this up Thursday night, finished it quickly and am doing a re-read now.
I'm happy to not be disappointed with this book. Sanderson could have done so much worse with the material. The characters sound like they should most of the time and the brevity is a very welcome change. He seems to understand that we don't need to read that the Seanchan have a slow, slurred manner of speech every time one of them opened their mouths, the lack of repetition makes it that much faster to get to the next awesome event.
If anything, I wish that certain characters/events would have received more attention in this book, they even mention the resolution to a story arch at the end of the book that we don't get to see, save for a quick vision that left me thinking I had missed a chapter somewhere.
All the same, this was a great book. It shows that the end of the series is in good hands, and is heading in the right direction with a minimal smoothing of skirts.
He's defnitly cutting away loose ends, I mean, jesus
Masema dying like that? What the fuck was the whole point of the prophet storyline than? I just KNOW that there was something else there, but I understand that Sanderson had to cut down and finish off all these dangling threads
He's defnitly cutting away loose ends, I mean, jesus
Masema dying like that? What the fuck was the whole point of the prophet storyline than? I just KNOW that there was something else there, but I understand that Sanderson had to cut down and finish off all these dangling threads
Rand has been doing everything he can to unite the North/East and the West/South, he needed to do something about Masema. Because of his huge following he could not just kill him without touching off a huge cluster fuck. So he sends Perrin to get him, and bring him away from his power structure. Masemas had power only so long as he stayed the hell away from Rand. Much like with the two competing Aes Sedai in Egwenes camp. The one was using Egwenes name constantly, claiming her authority, and as long as Egwene remained in the white tower she had power. They explained the gamble of it, that as soon as Egwene returned her only hope to maintain power was to tie herself to her.
Masema had lost most of his followers, he was down to I think under 100 if I remember right. He was planning to recruit more and once again be the colossal problem he had before. Maybe there was something else there, but it was the perfect time for someone to kill him.
He's defnitly cutting away loose ends, I mean, jesus
Masema dying like that? What the fuck was the whole point of the prophet storyline than? I just KNOW that there was something else there, but I understand that Sanderson had to cut down and finish off all these dangling threads
Rand has been doing everything he can to unite the North/East and the West/South, he needed to do something about Masema. Because of his huge following he could not just kill him without touching off a huge cluster fuck. So he sends Perrin to get him, and bring him away from his power structure. Masemas had power only so long as he stayed the hell away from Rand. Much like with the two competing Aes Sedai in Egwenes camp. The one was using Egwenes name constantly, claiming her authority, and as long as Egwene remained in the white tower she had power. They explained the gamble of it, that as soon as Egwene returned her only hope to maintain power was to tie herself to her.
Masema had lost most of his followers, he was down to I think under 100 if I remember right. He was planning to recruit more and once again be the colossal problem he had before. Maybe there was something else there, but it was the perfect time for someone to kill him.
While I have yet to pick this up, this sounds like a GRRM move. Killing a character without much weight was never something that RJ would be able to accomplish. I think we'll see a really worthwhile Last Battle as from all reports, Sanderson is cutting down on the number of storylines necessary for a clean resolution. I mean, let's be honest: RJ's biggest issue was his ridiculous attachment to storylines. Perrin running around like a moron post-battle of Two Rivers was very, very frustrating. But again, this was supposed to be a trilogy, and even Sanderson has to write three more books.
I recall very clearly being about 17 and remarking to a friend that we'd have graduated from college before the series ended. That happened two years ago, and there are still two more books to come.
Knowing Sanderson, the series will be finished by the end of next year. The guy is crazy prolific. Like, he has somewhere around ten novels he's written that he hasn't published. This in addition to the nine he's already published and a few others underway.
He's 33.
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He's defnitly cutting away loose ends, I mean, jesus
Masema dying like that? What the fuck was the whole point of the prophet storyline than? I just KNOW that there was something else there, but I understand that Sanderson had to cut down and finish off all these dangling threads
Rand has been doing everything he can to unite the North/East and the West/South, he needed to do something about Masema. Because of his huge following he could not just kill him without touching off a huge cluster fuck. So he sends Perrin to get him, and bring him away from his power structure. Masemas had power only so long as he stayed the hell away from Rand. Much like with the two competing Aes Sedai in Egwenes camp. The one was using Egwenes name constantly, claiming her authority, and as long as Egwene remained in the white tower she had power. They explained the gamble of it, that as soon as Egwene returned her only hope to maintain power was to tie herself to her.
Masema had lost most of his followers, he was down to I think under 100 if I remember right. He was planning to recruit more and once again be the colossal problem he had before. Maybe there was something else there, but it was the perfect time for someone to kill him.
While I have yet to pick this up, this sounds like a GRRM move. Killing a character without much weight was never something that RJ would be able to accomplish. I think we'll see a really worthwhile Last Battle as from all reports, Sanderson is cutting down on the number of storylines necessary for a clean resolution. I mean, let's be honest: RJ's biggest issue was his ridiculous attachment to storylines. Perrin running around like a moron post-battle of Two Rivers was very, very frustrating. But again, this was supposed to be a trilogy, and even Sanderson has to write three more books.
Actually it fits right in with other points where RJ just suddenly kills off a character. Like when Asmodeon got taken out, or where the women were poisoned. I think its in the prologue, and if i remember right alot of the prologue was already finished by RJ premortem so it would make sense.
I tore through it Wednesday, was a very enjoyable read. The writing was well done, and I did not find any of the characters acting in any odd ways. Damn good book, i look forward to the final 2.
Spoiler-free, this was pretty goddamn good. Didn't like all of it, but what it did right made it well worth it. Sanderson really has eliminated most of the doubts in my mind about his ability to carry the torch. Nothing really seemed out of place, and the plot actually drew me in and kept me engaged for the duration.
Spoilers for the entire book, be warned:
Rand's reunion with Tam had me tearing up. I didn't see it coming, and the tension of that scene was palpable. My heart really went out to Rand like it hadn't before. He knew what he had lost, we knew what he had lost, and that he was almost gone. His reaction to that, and his epiphany on Dragonmount were excellently written.
Graendal went out like a bitch. I hate to say it, but it was a pretty ignominious end, even for one of the Forsaken. I was hoping for a little more than a "nuke it from orbit" ending, especially in the face of how Semirhage went out. And yes, I'm assuming she's gone for good, despite theories going around.
Egwene's chapters were pretty good, though it stretched my suspension of disbelief at times. Good to see that plotline (mostly) wrapped, and wrapped in exciting fashion. Maybe now we can move on to more interesting things.
The intro to the first Mat chapter had me rolling. I can't think of a more perfect way to encapsulate Mat's observations on the female gender than that opening dialogue.
Verin's reveal was a headsmack moment. Her nature was obvious given all the foreshadowing. And I like the fact that she outwitted even those who bound her, her last act redeeming pretty much everything she ever did. I was a bit misty when she died.
I'm actually looking forward to the next book, and I can't recall the last time I felt that.
EDIT: Fuck, sorry about that, didn't check my tags.
I gotta say I really enjoyed the book as well. I blazed through it on the 27th and read it again yesterday.
I was a bit disappointed with the Perrin and Mat scenes. Perrin's were almost useless, I wished he'd showed the Morgase reveal instead of the wagon scene or something to move his plot a bit faster.
Mat was good, I enjoyed his backstories and interaction with Talmanes (Even if Talmanes had a near personality transplant) but I wish it ended with his arrival in Camelyn.
Rand's final chapter though is what sold the book for me. I absolutely loved it.
Spoiler-free, this was pretty goddamn good. Didn't like all of it, but what it did right made it well worth it. Sanderson really has eliminated most of the doubts in my mind about his ability to carry the torch. Nothing really seemed out of place, and the plot actually drew me in and kept me engaged for the duration.
Spoilers for the entire book, be warned:
Rand's reunion with Tam had me tearing up. I didn't see it coming, and the tension of that scene was palpable. My heart really went out to Rand like it hadn't before. He knew what he had lost, we knew what he had lost, and that he was almost gone. His reaction to that, and his epiphany on Dragonmount were excellently written.
Graendal went out like a bitch. I hate to say it, but it was a pretty ignominious end, even for one of the Forsaken. I was hoping for a little more than a "nuke it from orbit" ending, especially in the face of how Semirhage went out. And yes, I'm assuming she's gone for good, despite theories going around.
Egwene's chapters were pretty good, though it stretched my suspension of disbelief at times. Good to see that plotline (mostly) wrapped, and wrapped in exciting fashion. Maybe now we can move on to more interesting things.
The intro to the first Mat chapter had me rolling. I can't think of a more perfect way to encapsulate Mat's observations on the female gender than that opening dialogue.
Verin's reveal was a headsmack moment. Her nature was obvious given all the foreshadowing. And I like the fact that she outwitted even those who bound her, her last act redeeming pretty much everything she ever did. I was a bit misty when she died.
I'm actually looking forward to the next book, and I can't recall the last time I felt that.
EDIT: Fuck, sorry about that, didn't check my tags.
I gotta say that
The Verin reveal is perhaps one of my favorite scenes in this series now. I do admit that I kept hoping that she would somehow pull through. I'm very interested in what is in that note she left Mat, now.
A lot of the scenes with Rand were tough. Good lord that guy has gone through some shit. Strangling Min was just fucking wrong. I did like the scene with him and Moridin, though.
It was incredibly awesome to see Tam stand up to Cadsuane on his behalf.
I hate to say it, but I think the series improved with the death of the old author.
I dunno. Knife of Dreams was definitely at least a smaller return to form. I think Jordan realized that he had to end things, and then worked actively to do so.
Granted, Sanderson's picking that up a bit more dramatically, but I think RJ would've gotten there.
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edited November 2009
Finished it last night. You can definitely tell it's a different author, but mostly in good ways. Some excellent and satisfying resolutions to a number of plot lines, including some that had dragged on for far too long.
Fantastic to see the endless "how crazy is Rand going to get" thing resolved, and it made for a good climax for the book. And although it wasn't the most important, my favorite plot line resolution was Verin's. Short, but very nicely done. Sanderson is hand's down a more emotionally evocative writer than Jordan.
So is there an Abridged WoT version that I can read before I tackle the last three books? I mean, I would hate to relearn why I hated the series to begin with.
Can I just read the stuff by the new author? I got so sick of Jordan around (gasp) book six.
I've never read any of the WOT books. From what I understand, the first 3 are great but after that they get pretty tedious. Impressions of book 12 seem to be pretty positive everywhere I look, and I've enjoyed other Sanderson books in the past, in particular The Final Empire. So here's my question. Is it worth slogging through the 8 books in the middle of this series in order to get the experience of the books at the beginning and end?
I've never read any of the WOT books. From what I understand, the first 3 are great but after that they get pretty tedious. Impressions of book 12 seem to be pretty positive everywhere I look, and I've enjoyed other Sanderson books in the past, in particular The Final Empire. So here's my question. Is it worth slogging through the 8 books in the middle of this series in order to get the experience of the books at the beginning and end?
I'd wait until the series is finished to be able to get the whole picture, at this point. The last two are supposed to come out in the next two years.
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Except I just started Song of Ice and Fire, again.
So, Sanderson is doing a good job?
I don't remember CoT or KoD at all.
http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/
Ultra-condensed summaries of every chapter of every book with handy hyperlinks for the 6 billion characters and locations.
I still really like WoT, and even I recommend reading that site instead of Book 10.
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That's the attraction. Jordan was such a superb "world-creator" that I was always happy to gloss over the bad plot issues to learn more about the world and mythology.
Now, I really do like this series, but like most people I'll agree that a lot of it just drags along so slowly it's a bit hard to read sometimes. But, having invested so much time in actually reading all the books, I just have to finish it and know what happens and all that jazz. I've only read part of the prologue, but it seem pretty decently paced so far.
I was quite saddened when I learned that Robert Jordan passed, but when I learned that Brandon Sanderson was going to finish writing the last book (well...three books) I was quite overjoyed, as I liked his Mistborn trilogy a great deal, and also liked his new book a lot. Haven't quite gotten around to reading Elantris yet though.
My reasoning? I enjoy the simple act of reading. I have plenty of spare time in the evenings while my wife does her arts and crafts hobbies and I don't mind reading endless amounts.
Simply put, more is better for me as I just get to spend more time reading.
So the last book is going to be three books? Wow. That's amazing, I had completely written this off as being too weird to read but I will have to read it if he's taking the time to write three.
My mindset for this is going to be like Star Wars I, II and II. I didn't really expect them and will give them a chance, but if they are horrible I will simply fall back on RJ's original work.
Sanderson's really doing a hell of a job. I didn't know how anyone could really tie an ending on the story, but he's doing it, and doing it well. I can somewhat tell the parts that are RJ's and the parts that are Sanderson's, they blend really well.
And the plot moves. It's creaking a bit, but it's moving. Sometimes in leaps. It's turning out to be an entertaining read. And thank God. I've been reading these since Lord of Chaos, so roughly 15 years. Glad to see there's an ending coming.
Can't find book 12, but here's book 9 and book 10
I am not sure how to think on how the Egwene parts are progressing, but again, any progress is better then no progress.
Nothing a short summary wouldn't take care of.
I'm happy to not be disappointed with this book. Sanderson could have done so much worse with the material. The characters sound like they should most of the time and the brevity is a very welcome change. He seems to understand that we don't need to read that the Seanchan have a slow, slurred manner of speech every time one of them opened their mouths, the lack of repetition makes it that much faster to get to the next awesome event.
If anything, I wish that certain characters/events would have received more attention in this book, they even mention the resolution to a story arch at the end of the book that we don't get to see, save for a quick vision that left me thinking I had missed a chapter somewhere.
All the same, this was a great book. It shows that the end of the series is in good hands, and is heading in the right direction with a minimal smoothing of skirts.
Masema had lost most of his followers, he was down to I think under 100 if I remember right. He was planning to recruit more and once again be the colossal problem he had before. Maybe there was something else there, but it was the perfect time for someone to kill him.
I recall very clearly being about 17 and remarking to a friend that we'd have graduated from college before the series ended. That happened two years ago, and there are still two more books to come.
Makes me want to play the godawful WoT d20.
He's 33.
I tore through it Wednesday, was a very enjoyable read. The writing was well done, and I did not find any of the characters acting in any odd ways. Damn good book, i look forward to the final 2.
"And then Rand woke up, he realized that everything which had happened since book 7 had been a dream and resolved to never speak of it again"
I would have Rand abducted by aliens Life of Brian style.
Spoiler-free, this was pretty goddamn good. Didn't like all of it, but what it did right made it well worth it. Sanderson really has eliminated most of the doubts in my mind about his ability to carry the torch. Nothing really seemed out of place, and the plot actually drew me in and kept me engaged for the duration.
Spoilers for the entire book, be warned:
Graendal went out like a bitch. I hate to say it, but it was a pretty ignominious end, even for one of the Forsaken. I was hoping for a little more than a "nuke it from orbit" ending, especially in the face of how Semirhage went out. And yes, I'm assuming she's gone for good, despite theories going around.
Egwene's chapters were pretty good, though it stretched my suspension of disbelief at times. Good to see that plotline (mostly) wrapped, and wrapped in exciting fashion. Maybe now we can move on to more interesting things.
The intro to the first Mat chapter had me rolling. I can't think of a more perfect way to encapsulate Mat's observations on the female gender than that opening dialogue.
Verin's reveal was a headsmack moment. Her nature was obvious given all the foreshadowing. And I like the fact that she outwitted even those who bound her, her last act redeeming pretty much everything she ever did. I was a bit misty when she died.
I'm actually looking forward to the next book, and I can't recall the last time I felt that.
EDIT: Fuck, sorry about that, didn't check my tags.
Mat was good, I enjoyed his backstories and interaction with Talmanes (Even if Talmanes had a near personality transplant) but I wish it ended with his arrival in Camelyn.
Rand's final chapter though is what sold the book for me. I absolutely loved it.
I gotta say that
A lot of the scenes with Rand were tough. Good lord that guy has gone through some shit. Strangling Min was just fucking wrong. I did like the scene with him and Moridin, though.
It was incredibly awesome to see Tam stand up to Cadsuane on his behalf.
6 months and I'll be able to open those spoilers :-(
It used to take me 6 months to get through 1-6, back in the day.
Then I read 1-6, 1-8 and 1-9.
Now I just read the spoilers.
Yeah... I barely get the time to read that I wish these days.
Full time job + wife requiring full time attention + very long books = 6 months to burn through all 11.
I just don't want ANY plot point going over my head when I finally finish this damn series.
But in my line of work I can listen to it while working, so...
I dunno. Knife of Dreams was definitely at least a smaller return to form. I think Jordan realized that he had to end things, and then worked actively to do so.
Granted, Sanderson's picking that up a bit more dramatically, but I think RJ would've gotten there.
Can I just read the stuff by the new author? I got so sick of Jordan around (gasp) book six.
e: Looks like chapter summaries are here now
I'd wait until the series is finished to be able to get the whole picture, at this point. The last two are supposed to come out in the next two years.