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FrostmanBluesFrostmanBlues Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Games and Technology
And I find this thread about the PS3's timeline:


Sony's PS3 Dissappointment Timeline.


Now, I agree that Sony did poorly selling them PS3s and whatnot, and some complain that having a blu-ray disc is not necesarily "revolutionary" enough to buy that system, plus the fact that many have returned their PS3s and went on hunting for the Wii console instead.*

I also hear that Sony is taking notes from Nintendo to create an interactive controller, but I am nto sure if that will be enough to keep the PS3 alive.

So, what's in store for the PS3? Do you agree with the link to the post above?





*- At least that is what it is to believe when I keep seeing Wii consoles dissapearing on the fly and the PS3 keeps being ignored at my local gamestop store.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You should probably copy and paste the op post from that thread, giving credit etc.


    Aside from that, I'm wondering if they'll push the PS3 europe launch forward. It's not like they'll be having console shortages for much longer and they could really do with an extra million sales at least.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Well, it's a list of stuff that we've been hearing about for the past year or so. And it sucks. But there it is.

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  • BoilerbirdBoilerbird Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    *- At least that is what it is to believe when I keep seeing Wii consoles dissapearing on the fly and the PS3 keeps being ignored at my local gamestop store.

    Believe me, they aren't being ignored. People are passing by, seeing them, and going, "Wow, they have PS3s in stock." And then they're shrugging and buying DS games.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Boilerbird wrote:
    *- At least that is what it is to believe when I keep seeing Wii consoles dissapearing on the fly and the PS3 keeps being ignored at my local gamestop store.

    Believe me, they aren't being ignored. People are passing by, seeing them, and going, "Wow, they have PS3s in stock." And then they're shrugging and buying DS games.

    I've done it more times than I wish to admit.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Pretty crazy to see it all at once instead of the slow, but steady stream of bullshit.

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  • MiSTieOtakuMiSTieOtaku Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Aw, a thread devoted towards a timeline laying out Sony's adorable little failure.

    At once it is both hilarious, saddening, and more than a little foolish. Just goes to show what the price of hubris is, I suppose. If I could just get my Sony fanboi brothers to see this, maybe they'll come to their senses and quit being so blindly devoted.

    Also, I have to admit that the bit about viruses on their music CDs kind of freaked me out. That's rather... messed up.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Call me shallow, but I keep hoping this is Sega's chance for a second(sixth?) coming, but that's probably never going to happen.

    Either way, if Sony don't pick up the slack, it's going to do some serious damage to their reputation. Despite all the great games their systems get, as a company, I'm not entirely sure I'd miss their attitude.

    Even Sony themselves have done some great games, but that's no help if the company in charge have to be jerks about everything.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7243
    How did I miss this the first time?
    Game|Life's Chris Kohler recently had a chance to talk to Sony executive vice president and co-chief operating officer Jack Tretton. One of the main topics discussed was the PS3's backwards compatibility, and specficially, the minor problems that have been reported to occur with about 200 PS1/PS2 games. Here's what Tretton thinks about the matter:

    "I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but that's an unrealistic expectation. We've reported problems on only 200 of the 8000 PlayStation 1 and 2 games. I would challenge the average consumer to say that there are significant problems with any of the games in their library."

    He goes on to compare this with the BC offered by Nintendo and Microsoft:

    "If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games."

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  • ToldoToldo But actually, WeegianRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    titmouse wrote:
    http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7243
    How did I miss this the first time?
    Game|Life's Chris Kohler recently had a chance to talk to Sony executive vice president and co-chief operating officer Jack Tretton. One of the main topics discussed was the PS3's backwards compatibility, and specficially, the minor problems that have been reported to occur with about 200 PS1/PS2 games. Here's what Tretton thinks about the matter:

    "I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but that's an unrealistic expectation. We've reported problems on only 200 of the 8000 PlayStation 1 and 2 games. I would challenge the average consumer to say that there are significant problems with any of the games in their library."

    He goes on to compare this with the BC offered by Nintendo and Microsoft:

    "If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games."

    Oh, Sony... :lol:

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    "If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games."
    :rotate:

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  • thunderclumpthunderclump Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

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  • Kemal86Kemal86 Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Gyral wrote:
    Boilerbird wrote:
    *- At least that is what it is to believe when I keep seeing Wii consoles dissapearing on the fly and the PS3 keeps being ignored at my local gamestop store.

    Believe me, they aren't being ignored. People are passing by, seeing them, and going, "Wow, they have PS3s in stock." And then they're shrugging and buying DS games.

    I've done it more times than I wish to admit.

    I took a picture of a 60GB PS3 sitting on a local walmart shelf with my camera phone and sent it to all my friends with the following message:

    "lol sony lol"

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    "If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games."

    :winky:

    My reply makes about as much sense as this quote

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  • FierceDeity666FierceDeity666 Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    they have so much hubris that they give it off even when HOSED.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    It makes about as sense as the "it plays games in 4D!" comment.

    i.e., not at all.

    That's a big pile of bummer, with most of it damn accurate (there's a few analyst predictions in there that could be iffy, but that's it). Really, Sony needs a stroke of major luck/grooviness in the next six months, or the negative feelings will crystalize and be nigh impossible to reverse.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    If you can understand this, you can make sense of what that guy said

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    If you can understand this, you can make sense of what that guy said

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    :winky:

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    One sunny morning at Gamespot Forums...And I find this thread about the PS3's timeline:

    It's an interesting post, but let me get this straight: you read Gamespot's System Wars forums?

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    If you can understand this, you can make sense of what that guy said

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    Good ole Fox News.

    Back on topic: any guesses as to what Sony could do to get people excited about the PS3 again? Taking out Blu-ray isn't an option since all the games use it, and dropping the price can't happen since the cost, high as it is, loses $250-$300 per console sold already.

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  • LupintheThirdLupintheThird Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    360 Premium has backward compat, but only with a fraction of their games (exec rounds to "a third").

    Wii has plenty of backward compat, be it 100% GameCube or downloadable old-school. I think the exec just didn't know it was.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    What do they mean?

    The 360 Core has no BC, true.

    The Wii only has BC with one console out of 3 (NES, SNES, GC).

    Could this be what they mean?

    Or am I wasting time trying to understand this?

    Since there have been 4 Nintendo consoles...

    My advice is yes, stop trying to understand this.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You know, I had a moment of gaming zen the other day. I was at target, playing a ps3, and I just realized how much I like games in general. It doesn't matter what system they're on, I'd like to play as many as I can. I really want a 360, wii, and a ps3. I hope all of them succeed cause it could mean a flood of awesome games for all three systems.

    I harbor resentment towards sony, but I'd still really like to see them stay in the game.

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  • chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    cloudeagle wrote:
    Back on topic: any guesses as to what Sony could do to get people excited about the PS3 again? Taking out Blu-ray isn't an option since all the games use it, and dropping the price can't happen since the cost, high as it is, loses $250-$300 per console sold already.

    There isn't much they can do at this point. The games aren't there right now so it's not like they can do much to promote that aspect unless they continue showing more footage of games that aren't coming out any time soon like that one commercial that shows Lair and Heavenly Sword.

    They could try to focus on how much of a bargain people are getting out of the PS3 with it being like a $600 high end computer if set up just right.

    First things first, they need to fire their legally retarded advertising and PR departments

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  • solsovlysolsovly Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    cloudeagle wrote:
    Back on topic: any guesses as to what Sony could do to get people excited about the PS3 again? Taking out Blu-ray isn't an option since all the games use it, and dropping the price can't happen since the cost, high as it is, loses $250-$300 per console sold already.

    There isn't much they can do at this point. The games aren't there right now so it's not like they can do much to promote that aspect unless they continue showing more footage of games that aren't coming out any time soon like that one commercial that shows Lair and Heavenly Sword.

    They could try to focus on how much of a bargain people are getting out of the PS3 with it being like a $600 high end computer if set up just right.

    First things first, they need to fire their legally retarded advertising and PR departments

    I bet the costs saved from firing their ad/pr departments could offset the loss of each PS3 sold.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    cloudeagle wrote:
    Back on topic: any guesses as to what Sony could do to get people excited about the PS3 again? Taking out Blu-ray isn't an option since all the games use it, and dropping the price can't happen since the cost, high as it is, loses $250-$300 per console sold already.

    There isn't much they can do at this point. The games aren't there right now so it's not like they can do much to promote that aspect unless they continue showing more footage of games that aren't coming out any time soon like that one commercial that shows Lair and Heavenly Sword.

    They could try to focus on how much of a bargain people are getting out of the PS3 with it being like a $600 high end computer if set up just right.

    First things first, they need to fire their legally retarded advertising and PR departments

    Interesting fact, their main public relations person, there for nearly a decade, quit last summer and her position stayed open for months.

    That may have absolutely nothing to do with the blunders done by the company as a whole, but there ya go.

    Yeah, some ads that would do a better job of explaining WHY the extra $200 is worth it instead of wasting our time with creepy possessed plastic babies would be a good start.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I wonder how many people were ultimately shitcanned during the 06 year over at Sony.

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  • mrcheesypantsmrcheesypants Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You know, I had a moment of gaming zen the other day. I was at target, playing a ps3, and I just realized how much I like games in general. It doesn't matter what system they're on, I'd like to play as many as I can. I really want a 360, wii, and a ps3. I hope all of them succeed cause it could mean a flood of awesome games for all three systems.

    I harbor resentment towards sony, but I'd still really like to see them stay in the game.

    Agreed to a point. In a perfect world I would like this to happen but in order to do so I think Sony has to learn from thier mistakes in order to make a better system.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    The problem is that the $200 extra is because of a Blue Ray drive that many gamers really don't care about at all. I understand with early adoptors, you have alot of people with nice, high end systems, but I'd actually wager that many Joe Average gamers, they may not have heard of Blue Ray AT ALL.

    Arguing that more media features is worth more money is a route they went with the PSP and it really didn't go well.

    They need the games to sell the system. They need the games to look $200 better than the 360. And here's the kicker, they need them to look that way in STANDARD DEF because that's how most people will be seeing the advertisements!

    Sorry if it's a bit angry - but I loved my PS1 and PS2 but Sony actually went out of their way to lose me as a customer, and that took alot.

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  • Drunk_caterpillarDrunk_caterpillar Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I loled all the way through. I know it's horrible, but you need asshats to make life worth living.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak is it because you were insulted when I insulted your hair?Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You know, I had a moment of gaming zen the other day. I was at target, playing a ps3, and I just realized how much I like games in general. It doesn't matter what system they're on, I'd like to play as many as I can. I really want a 360, wii, and a ps3. I hope all of them succeed cause it could mean a flood of awesome games for all three systems.

    I harbor resentment towards sony, but I'd still really like to see them stay in the game.

    Agreed to a point. In a perfect world I would like this to happen but in order to do so I think Sony has to learn from thier mistakes in order to make a better system.

    No, the PS3 has to go the same way as the N64. Only then they will learn to understand.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You know, I had a moment of gaming zen the other day. I was at target, playing a ps3, and I just realized how much I like games in general. It doesn't matter what system they're on, I'd like to play as many as I can. I really want a 360, wii, and a ps3. I hope all of them succeed cause it could mean a flood of awesome games for all three systems.

    I harbor resentment towards sony, but I'd still really like to see them stay in the game.

    Agreed to a point. In a perfect world I would like this to happen but in order to do so I think Sony has to learn from thier mistakes in order to make a better system.

    No, the PS3 has to go the same way as the N64. Only then they will learn to understand.

    It's more likely going to end up like the Jaguar at this point.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

    Well, it's too hard to tie down the Wiimote and nunchuck. They really should have thought hard to find a way to do it, but they didn't. Whatever.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

    Well, it's too hard to tie down the Wiimote and nunchuck. They really should have thought hard to find a way to do it, but they didn't. Whatever.
    I HATE those kiosks. It seems like a waste of Wiis, too: a simple DVD player could play those videos.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    edited January 2007
    Darlan wrote:
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

    Well, it's too hard to tie down the Wiimote and nunchuck. They really should have thought hard to find a way to do it, but they didn't. Whatever.
    I HATE those kiosks. It seems like a waste of Wiis, too: a simple DVD player could play those videos.
    All it would take is a metal tether that locks into the chuk port on the bottom of the mote (needs a key to release it or something along those lines), and only rock the mote-only games in the kiosk. It would work fine.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    syndalis wrote:
    Darlan wrote:
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

    Well, it's too hard to tie down the Wiimote and nunchuck. They really should have thought hard to find a way to do it, but they didn't. Whatever.
    I HATE those kiosks. It seems like a waste of Wiis, too: a simple DVD player could play those videos.
    All it would take is a metal tether that locks into the chuk port on the bottom of the mote (needs a key to release it or something along those lines), and only rock the mote-only games in the kiosk. It would work fine.

    Yeah, there are even a couple of unused holes to lock stuff into. I don't know why they didn't do that.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Darlan wrote:
    I saw a guy playing some basketball game on the PS3 kiosk at... Best Buy, I think.

    Was not impressed. At all.

    On the other hand, at least Sony has playable kiosks in the big-box stores. Nintendo just has those dumb video kiosks that tell you how much fun you'll have with a Wii if you can find one. And the ones in the game stores aren't much better; you need to hand over your ID to get a controller.

    Well, it's too hard to tie down the Wiimote and nunchuck. They really should have thought hard to find a way to do it, but they didn't. Whatever.
    I HATE those kiosks. It seems like a waste of Wiis, too: a simple DVD player could play those videos.
    Er. What makes you think it isn't just a DVD player in a Wii case?

    Anyway. I've heard the controllers at E3 were tethered without any real issues.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Hmmmm.
    That is a long, long catalogue of failures.
    The 94% profits down is easily explained by PS3 production costs, but when you compare them with Nintendo... (whose profits tripled despite manufacturing the Wii)

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I realize it's not strictly PS3-related, but I didn't see the whole "PS1 downloads via PS3 only" thing on that list.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I have that bookmarked. I'm going to just link to it every time a someone demands to know why theres so much hatred for the ps3. It speaks for itself. It's not even an argument, its just a list of facts.

    About halfway down the list your mind just sort of starts warping into SonyLand, where you inhale electronic entertainment that they push on streetcorners, money is thrown at them just for being sony, and nobody ever has to go to logic school. Once you realise thats how their company metaculture thinks, it all starts to make sense. SonyLand. It's like disney only instead of a giant mickey who hands you balloons it has a giant kratos who tears you in half unless you give him money.

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