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I used it to play DOOM on my genesis, even though I already had DOOM for the PC.
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So far we've seen a couple good titles, but there doesn't seem to be alot of developers just lining up to work with the PS3. That is much more of a threat then any fanboy's rage could ever be, as if Sony doesn't start lining up a ton of entertainment products like they did with the PS2 then people really won't be prompted to buy it. Complicating this is the fact that both the Wii and 360 seem to have a shit-load of titles coming out over the next 1-2 years that are downright stunning. Ranging from titles like No More Heroes to that unnamed (?) Battlefield 2-esque Gundam game there's just way too much innovative/insane crap out there that overshadows most of the newer titles that are being produced for the PS3. Hell, the only real notable titles i've seen are Resistance, MGS4, that one game with the dragons (Lair? It looks like a Panzer Dragoon rip-off.) and that one game that has that weird screenshot pop up every now and then with the emo looking girl holding a pistol. I'd reckon that the last one is more of a bullshot then it is a real ingame screencap too.
That url I pasted is the direct link from the december 21 article linked to in the opening post. It's the one that says sony patents a wii mote device.
And its ok that you didn't see anything. Your not suposed to. It's pure bullshit and isn't anything like a wii-mote except in a very superficial way (I think it had a trigger under the handle where the wii-mote has it, plus I think the sensor bar works similar. It's just another bald faced excuse to lol sony, same as people take the wiis lesser graphics to say kidtendo. Real men play in HD, right?
It's all stupid. Now allaya leave me alone, I'm saying nothing wrong here.
If Nintendo promised it, they should. My understanding is that Sony has said they would allow this.
EDIT: This is according to what TP is saying. I've avoided news on the whole "PS1 on PSP" thing to avoid dissapointment.
And every now and then we can only watch, making a :? voice, and going "Hrmmmm...."
I was at Gamestop earlier today, to get a used Gamecube game. As I always do, I hung around a little but just to look at things, see if maybe any of the used games trigger an "Oh yeah, I wanted to get that" feeling.
Right before I paid for my game and left, a guy walked in and asked if they still had a PS3 for sale, and the clerk responded that they did. Then the guy gets cold feet and says he wants to think about it for a bit, 'cause he doesn't know if he wants to spend that much money.
Now earlier, I actually helped the clerk sell a preorder, so I decided that I'd just straight up try and sell the guy on getting a PS3, just to see if I could. We ended up talking for about 10 minutes or so. The guy only ever had a PS1 and a PS2, and pretty much said he was a Sony gamer, he was looking forward to RE5, and hoped they'd come out with a SOCOM game for the PS3. He wasn't really interested in any of the current PS3 games, he just wanted to get one now because it was available, and he figured he could play his PS2 games on it for now.
I basically threw every PS3 positive I could think of at the guy. Tried to sell him on Resistance for a couple of minutes. He didn't want a 360, so I could point out all the good multiplatform games on the PS3. Did my very best pointing out all the coming soon game boxes on the wall for the PS3, like Lair and Heavenly Sword. Told him about the free multiplayer, all the media features, and he had an HDTV, so he was interested in the Blu-ray. He even said he had a PSP, though he hadn't played it in a while, and he didn't perk up too much at the mention of downloadable PS1 games. He was concerned about backwards compatibility, and I told him that all his PS2 games would almost assuredly work on his PS3. He'd heard about the firmware upgrades, and was also concerned that Sony would just put out a model in a few months that had the upgrades installed already, and I told him it was simple and easy to upgrade the firmware if he had a home internet connection, which he did. Basically, I tried to spin everything I could think of in the most absolutely positive light I could. After 10 minutes, his response was still "Yeah, it sounds pretty good. But man, I don't know. It's $600." And decidied he wanted to think about it some more. I paid for my game and left.
On the drive home it struck me just exactly how hard it was to sell this guy on a PS3. I know, anecdotal evidence FTW and everything, but as far as I can tell this guy was pretty representative of Sony's core consumer for the PS2, and at the end of the day the guy just had a really hard time pulling the trigger on $600. This, as well as a couple of other encounters at other stores tell me that Sony really has an uphill battle.
TL,DR - I had a really hard time selling a PS3 to a guy that wanted one. I think Sony's gonna be singing "It's Hard Out Here For A Pimp" for a while to come.
Aside from the fact that you called anyone who disagrees with you tinfoil hat-wearers.
Honestly, companies patent shit all the time that doesn't make it to the light of day. Hell, Sony patented plans for games that will only run on the first console they're played on back in 2001, but we haven't seen it yet. Just because Sony patented some sort of motion thing doesn't mean they intended to use it at the moment, they were just covering their bases. The Wii likely forced their hand, as the two-week shoehorning of motion controls in Warhawk suggests.
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Good god. That was a joke. Look carefully. I reference the xD thing running through the whole thread, as well as the whole weird virtual thing that sony have going in their ads. In the previous pages I made lots of jokes, all in the same vein. I did not insult anybody, I was pointing out that it was patented first, they cannot have copied it without insider knowledge. eg a conspiracy. Tinfoil hats is a light hearted way of suggesting this conspiracy. I'm pretty sure the wii-mote would have been need to know only, and japanese business practice is pretty damn clear cut about not letting your opponent know what your doing.
One thing I have learnt about all this is I can't make any kind of pro or anti sony statement in a subtle, light hearted, jocular manner in any thread like this or people will jump up and down on it, and then jump up and down on whats left. And then bury it under a tree. And then set fire to the tree.
I'll be sure to put sarcasm [joke] tags all around it next time, so you don't miss it.
Let. It. Go.
edit: I want to be absolutely, absolutely sure this is clear, because I'm never replying to this again.
This: "The only way you could say they copied it directly is with a tin foil hat on. You don't have to worry about putting it on, if you say it, itll appear. It's a virtual hat, and exists in 6D." Was all a joke.
In the previous pages, someone had complimented me on what I said when I'd intented it to be humerous and deliberately designed it to be so. I felt like I'd been rewarded on a job well done. This made me more elaborate and probably made me push too far on a pretty unamusing point. I went too far, and it appeared as if I was taking it seriously. I was not. I had made the assumption that anybody seeing the facts that the patent was filed a full 4 months before the wiimote was ever heard about would come to the conclusion that they could not have directly copied the wii-mote pointing device talked about. I turned this assumption into a dull bit of wittery, and pushed it to 3 lines. I thought the 6D and virtual bit would push it over into ludicrous territory, so nobody could possibly think I was serious.
The tilt thingy in the dual shock, yeah thats copied, and a pretty rush job. It's not what the patent is for, what I'm talking about or has anything to do with the argument about the tin foil hat. The patent is for an entirely seperate device to the dual shock.
I think I have disected and explained in detail my entire post to you so far in simple terms, including all my motivations and reasons for doing so. I feel I have nothing to apologise for, and I hope you see where I was coming from.
Motorstorm just doesn't do it for me, but I know I will get this feeling the moment I lay hands on MGS4. I'm not big on the PS3 by any means, but a Kojima game is all it takes to change my mind on that.
Ah, ye olde "it was just a joke" defense, the last refuge of scoundrels. Joke it may be, but it was an insulting joke that needlessly belittled people who disagree with you and caused people to take you less seriously. I'd pick your jokes more carefully, so you don't seem like a short-bus rider.
See what I did there?
And I'm not suggesting Sony stole the Wiimote technology. I am suggesting that, if the Wii didn't exist, Sony wouldn't have implemented the tilt sensors.
That's nice, because I'm not talking about that and the patent has nothing to do with it. And I agree with you there. I address this and other issues in my edit above.
I hate when people pretend their obnoxious statements were "just jokes."
In the future, just shut the fuck up. You aren't funny, you aren't a comedian, so there's no point in you trying to tell us "jokes."
Also, you are truly, truly dense if you fail to understand why people are calling that a "Wii-like" device. It is obvious that Sony has done a lot of scrambling to try to emulate their competition and will continue to do so. Whether this particular device is 95% similar to the Wiimote or 10% similar to it, it is obvious to most people with common sense that Sony is trying to shove their feet in as many doors as possible. No, a patent doesn't necessarily mean the device will ever exist, but so what? It means there's a possible plan for it, and that PLAN is a result of douchery. Instead of worrying about people with their tin-foil hats, maybe you should remove whatever is dampening your own logical thought processes.
I want the hardware, but in order for it to be practical for me it has to run at a good resolution on my TV. If sony doesn't fix this, I'd just assume pray for a MGS4 port than drop $600 on a console I can't run in hi-def.
I think the high-def PS2-to-360 consumer crowd is basically waiting for some confirmation that MGS4 and FFXIII will or will not be ported to the 360 before making a final decision on whether or not to pass the PS3 up.
But somehow I feel like where we are now is pretty comfortable. The PS2 could have gone on being a great system for a lot longer, and the only reason Nintendo and MS moved so quickly to bring out their next systems was because their first systems were failing, or just costing them too much. The losers try to create the paradigm shift, while the winners often just try to recreate their success. I could have waited another two years for something like the 360 or PS3, and the only system that has me interested is the Wii, since it does something dramatically (for better or worse) different.
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I feel that that largely depends on what kind of person you are.
For long-time PC gamers (I am one, so I know), graphics have evolved on a much longer and smoother timeline, and I've watched the PC run circles around the PS2 in its later life. So, I've been playing next-gen/high-def games for years before these next-gen systems came out.
Graphics aren't the be-all end-all for enjoyability, but they do go a long way. Aesthetics are not "unimportant" as some people argue.
For someone like me, a PC gamer and a tech-adopter, I do think it is important for consoles to push forward technologically. I'm glad the Wii and the DS have expanded somewhat laterally to provide fun in a less tech-heavy way, but it thrives because the other systems have pushed ahead. Nintendo simply isn't participating in the same race as Microsoft and Sony. But I think that race is important, and I think what Nintendo is doing is equally important.
*shrug*
To answer your question, though, no, you are not alone in that philosophy.
It needs to happen to Sony the same way it happened to Nintendo. Back in the 90's, Nintendo screwed around both publishers and the consumer, and they got the shit smacked out of them. Now Sony is in the same position, feeling they are invincible while screwing around publishers and the public, so they need the shit to get smacked out of them, too.
I've been bitching that the PS2 is fugly since Halo.
The difference between Halo 2 and GoW is enormous. I haven't touched my PS2 in, I don't know, six months now. The only BC games I've played for Xbox have been Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction and that is because the game kicks unheard of ass. I'm usually not a graphics whore but HD and Widescreen have really pushed me over the edge.
Heck, if the technology would have been stuck to 1993, I´d still be happy. We´d probably have more PC adventure games, anyway.
I want another Quest for Glory. Preferably something in the vein of 4. Sorry, er.. Back to the thread...
I put a tinfoil hat on my PS3, and made a nice tinfoil scarf for my Xbox 360. Tonight's project? Tinfoil mittens for my Wii.
Also, I'm still not sure how this is Wii-like. I haven't read the entire patent, cause well, its long and seems to repeat itself. What I read seems to cover that the majority of the patent is for a device that can create delays in audio and video, (i.e. from a dvd player it seems), so that it can manually or automatically be set at delays to become synchronized.
Then, seriously, out of nowhere they bring up the EyeToy for audio/video stimuli, though I don't fully get if this is used for gaming, or something else. It mentions a remote, but without the figures I haven't been able to tell exactly what it is.
The first thing that came to my mind though are those old games that were you infront of a green screen, watching yourself on a t.v. screen trying to hit falling objects.
So is the reason behind a lot of what sony has been doing over the past year and a half?
I mean, I can understand them having troubles with the production of the ps3 because they went from releasing almost the weakest system for 2 generations, to a powerhouse. They really have to change their market plan, because spamming the market with games won't work as well this time, I don't think.
I just don't understand why they would go from what has been such a huge successful strategy for them to what thus far, has been an utter failure.