I wasn't really expecting the cause of the infertility to be explained, and I thought a cure was on the outside chance.
This is basically a social commentary sci-fi story.
You have a concept. This concept is: what if women were unable to have any children. What would happen? This film is about what would happen, how society changes as a result to that. The actual characters running around isn't hugely important, it mostly just is to give you characters to follow so you can get a glimpse at various parts of society; the working class, revolutionary groups, refugee camps and so on.
if a movie starts out normal, and things turn shit,and can't be fixed that's cool, that's an arc.
if this movie started out shit, stayed shit, and then ended in shit, that's not much of an arc. it would not be much fun to watch.
I didn't say it would make the movie better. But there's something to be said for a director to go "We're past the point of fixing all this."
And even if it did end like that, it wouldn't really diminish the finer points of the movie. I guess depending on how cynical you want to be you could go "Well, what was the fucking point?" But then, you could also look at it and say "Even when things couldn't be fixed, when the world was falling apart, there were still people who cared." That would be enough for me.
[spoiler:16134b8ec8]I didn't think the tommorow was going to come at all.[/spoiler:16134b8ec8]
And if that was the case I still would have loved the movie because of what Docshifty. The point was that people still cared even when things couldn't be fixed, they didn't know and werent going to give up.
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[spoiler:5337383579] You can see an outline of a ship when they're rowing out from the tunnel, but it's gone in the next camera shift[/spoiler:5337383579]
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i was reading yahoo! user reviews and lost faith in humanity while seeing all the F's from people who were too stupid to spell anything correctly or formulate why it was a bad movie, or from moderately intelligent people who just didn't even pay attention
here's one from the latter (paraphrased)
[spoiler:a5630ef8f6]What was up with the part where they had to jump start the car? why didn't any of the Fish people follow them? they had plenty of cars to use right there. this movie didn't make any sense.[/spoiler:a5630ef8f6]
and my rebuttal to such retardedness:
[spoiler:a5630ef8f6]THERES LIKE A TWO MINUTE LONG SCENE WHERE CLIVE OWEN TAKES ALL THE KEYS OUT OF THE OTHER CARS YOU IDIOT[/spoiler:a5630ef8f6]
i was reading yahoo! user reviews and lost faith in humanity while seeing all the F's from people who were too stupid to spell anything correctly or formulate why it was a bad movie, or from moderately intelligent people who just didn't even pay attention
here's one from the latter (paraphrased)
[spoiler:69ed5d5bb1]What was up with the part where they had to jump start the car? why didn't any of the Fish people follow them? they had plenty of cars to use right there. this movie didn't make any sense.[/spoiler:69ed5d5bb1]
and my rebuttal to such retardedness:
[spoiler:69ed5d5bb1]THERES LIKE A TWO MINUTE LONG SCENE WHERE CLIVE OWEN TAKES ALL THE KEYS OUT OF THE OTHER CARS YOU IDIOT[/spoiler:69ed5d5bb1]
Hey I found that review, thats the guy who said the movie was acclaimed because of its leftist politics.
i was reading yahoo! user reviews and lost faith in humanity while seeing all the F's from people who were too stupid to spell anything correctly or formulate why it was a bad movie, or from moderately intelligent people who just didn't even pay attention
here's one from the latter (paraphrased)
[spoiler:2c18e5af93]What was up with the part where they had to jump start the car? why didn't any of the Fish people follow them? they had plenty of cars to use right there. this movie didn't make any sense.[/spoiler:2c18e5af93]
and my rebuttal to such retardedness:
[spoiler:2c18e5af93]THERES LIKE A TWO MINUTE LONG SCENE WHERE CLIVE OWEN TAKES ALL THE KEYS OUT OF THE OTHER CARS YOU IDIOT[/spoiler:2c18e5af93]
YES
THESE ARE MY FEELINGS
I WANTED TO ROUND THEM UP AND HAVE THEM EXTERMINATED FOR BEING IDIOTS
They seem to be the majority too
"leftist propaganda" and "they didn't answer my questions" were the most common comments.
Like, fuck. That's really depressing.
I can't even begin to imagine how they managed to link Children of Men to leftist propaganda. But, I did just see the guy on The Colbert Report who wrote a book about "The Left" leading America to 9/11, so I really shouldn't be suprised. However my mind still boggles.
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I think the beginning shots that have references to anti-Bush newsclippings and the War in Iraq is probably all it took for them. Its too bad they are incapable of understanding that this was just to set a mood and character, and not a commentary on anything such.
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I kind of think it is a commentary.
However, only a fundie type would take something like that and pretend it makes the movie bad. Instead of actually analyze or look through someone else's eyes, they just wrote it off.
This might be considered a shock image, I hope I don't get banned. To quote Samantha Carter in Stargate's 200th episode, "Everything about that statement [paragraph] is just wrong."
For me the worst part is "how can we identify with characters not even born yet," ie, "I hate all fictional characters and characters set in the future because they do not exist right now"
It is so bad that it makes me think the review is fake.
Some people fabricate fake reviews to get other people to get all huffy and pop their monocles in exasperation.
Movie was good. Some people didn't take to it, other people were too stupid/ADD to follow it.
Stupid people are fun to talk about because we are better than them.
Some people fabricate fake reviews to get other people to get all huffy and pop their monocles in exasperation.
Movie was good. Some people didn't take to it, other people were too stupid/ADD to follow it.
Stupid people are fun to talk about because we are better than them.
Let's move on.
Screw moving on, I vote we harp on stupid people some more.
Some people fabricate fake reviews to get other people to get all huffy and pop their monocles in exasperation.
Movie was good. Some people didn't take to it, other people were too stupid/ADD to follow it.
Stupid people are fun to talk about because we are better than them.
Let's move on.
Screw moving on, I vote we harp on stupid people some more.
Y'know the same people who would think CoM is a leftist propaganda machine would probably support throwing all immigrants in camps.
Also that reviewer that thought it was a future where babies were not allowed was probably pretty high when he saw it and didn't bother listening or reading anything in the film.
Some people fabricate fake reviews to get other people to get all huffy and pop their monocles in exasperation.
Movie was good. Some people didn't take to it, other people were too stupid/ADD to follow it.
Stupid people are fun to talk about because we are better than them.
Let's move on.
Screw moving on, I vote we harp on stupid people some more.
Y'know the same people who would think CoM is a leftist propaganda machine would probably support throwing all immigrants in camps.
Also that reviewer that thought it was a future where babies were not allowed was probably pretty high when he saw it and didn't bother listening or reading anything in the film.
I bet that the guy didn't see the movie, only commercials, and saw that "oh they are trying to get that pregnant girl somewhere without anyone knowing, they must have banned births, lol stupid lamezorz movie!"
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Already LTTP? Who cares, this movie freaked me the Hell out.
Definetly some serious Half-Life vibes going on in it, as far as gov't vs. the people.
I thought the movie overall was very good, though I would have liked a little more background/detail instead of 80mins of "explosions, LOL!" Cinnematics were excellent.
It certainly didn't help the shaken feeling as I drove home that on NPR there was an 1st-person audio play about a guy having his only son still-born. How creepy was that?
I just saw it and it was pretty good. I just ignored the fact that it was sometimes trying to be political and just thought of it as pure fiction.
Yeah, it was a little heavy-handed at times. Half the audience laughed/piffit when they saw, "Homeland Security." I would hope the Brits would come up with as better name, something with 'Ministry of', or 'Bureau', at least.
I saw it last night. The action sequences were fucking phenomenal. I think this movie will do for modern war movies what Saving Private Ryan did for historical ones.
Some things in the movie were a bit off. Characterization, pacing, and story structure immediately come to mind. It felt like the script had a lot of work done to it, and they didn't ever really find that sweet spot.
One thing that made me really excited was the obvious influence of video games/FPSes. Games have been influenced by Cinema for so long that it feels great seeing the roles reversed. The GoW/HL2 vibe in the fight scenes were fucking win.
Overall a great film, though very flawed. That Alfonso Cuaron... he really knows how to put a movie together.
I just watched this movie the other day. My expectations were high, and they were totally fulfilled. Seriously, what a great movie.
It's also insanely depressing. Although, I didn't find it depressing because human beings couldn't reproduce anymore (that's just natural selection as I see it), it was depressing because everyone was just standing around hopelessly getting killed.
I've seen many movies where people get shot and killed in movies, and I didn't bat an eye, but this was something different: It was totally tragic. I guess it's the way it was filmed? I'm not so sure.
Also, extra points to the movie because Alfie was an aged stoner in it. That was ace.
I just watched this movie the other day. My expectations were high, and they were totally fulfilled. Seriously, what a great movie.
It's also insanely depressing. Although, I didn't find it depressing because human beings couldn't reproduce anymore (that's just natural selection as I see it), it was depressing because everyone was just standing around hopelessly getting killed.
I've seen many movies where people get shot and killed in movies, and I didn't bat an eye, but this was something different: It was totally tragic. I guess it's the way it was filmed? I'm not so sure.
Also, extra points to the movie because Alfie was an aged stoner in it. That was ace.
I just watched this movie the other day. My expectations were high, and they were totally fulfilled. Seriously, what a great movie.
It's also insanely depressing. Although, I didn't find it depressing because human beings couldn't reproduce anymore (that's just natural selection as I see it), it was depressing because everyone was just standing around hopelessly getting killed.
I've seen many movies where people get shot and killed in movies, and I didn't bat an eye, but this was something different: It was totally tragic. I guess it's the way it was filmed? I'm not so sure.
Also, extra points to the movie because Alfie was an aged stoner in it. That was ace.
Hey, that was my post.
WHATEVS
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I just watched this movie the other day. My expectations were high, and they were totally fulfilled. Seriously, what a great movie.
It's also insanely depressing. Although, I didn't find it depressing because human beings couldn't reproduce anymore (that's just natural selection as I see it), it was depressing because everyone was just standing around hopelessly getting killed.
I've seen many movies where people get shot and killed in movies, and I didn't bat an eye, but this was something different: It was totally tragic. I guess it's the way it was filmed? I'm not so sure.
Also, extra points to the movie because Alfie was an aged stoner in it. That was ace.
it was utterly and disturbingly real.
I don't know why people do that in real life, but I'm sure it has something to do with us not all being protagonist heroes. People freeze up, they cry over dead bodies when it would be safer to run... they die because they are scared. This movie had all that happening around our hero. It was terrifying... and thus satisfying. I've never been pulled in by a movie like that.
Damn I really want to see it again on a big screen.
Watched this film when it came out in the UK in september, blew my mind, went to see it another two times in its run. Recently bought the DVD version, and am now touring my friends, getting them to see it. This film blew my mind when I saw it.
And it's not just the terrific cinematography (sp?), or the ingaging plot. I felt that pretty much every part of this film was of above excellent standards. For a start, the use of continuous shots really draw you into the film, shit, when I first saw it at the cinema, i forgot i was watch a film for a few brief moments. The scene in the woods, with the one long take, well, that should win a oscar, and I don't care what any of the critics say.
I loved the story, and how it painted a realistic view of the future. (The whole argument about the realitys of humainity becoming infertile is stupid, Suspend your disbelief for a hour and a half.) You could tell that they had thought carefully about it. There is all kinds of backstory and subtle bits of infomation that you will only get if you think about it (Like the majority of cars still on the road being French, obviously suggesting that the french are probably the only country still making cars, or judging by the state of many of the cars, were the last country to make cars) It all these kind of gentle bit of infomation that really make it for me, I hate films and TV shows where they spell EVERYTHING out so that the stupider members of the audience will get it. It's refreshing to see a film that doesn't pander to this group.
Quick recap, this was a science fiction movie set up what 30 years from now. Okay? Everyone got that? Setting: People are infertile;world goes mostly to hell. I dont understand how people are saying things are implausible. Are you expecting a discovery tv show about infertility? Did you really need a hand holding session where a character talks about the infertility plague for 20 minutes, with flashback after flashback of women crying as they miscarried or a nurse looking at an empty maternity ward?
This is a movie about what happens when the major driving force in life is cut out. How society tries to adapt and in this case mostly fails. I thought it was a great movie simply for that, it raised goosebumps on me several times and actually had me shed a tear when Theo breaks down after the first action sequence occurs, and I think the last time I cried at the movies was when I saw a movie when I was ten, now 24.
Only thing I can think of is some of the forum goers who come up with the line "the main plot piece is implausible" are either a)Trolls b)Too young to really understand what the hell the movie is about or just how little we can really do even with today's medical technology c)People had problems understanding everything that was said because of the accents and lost valuable plot pieces that explain everything that's happening in the damn movie.
It's always true they could of just not liked the movie. Which is fine. However please dont use crap about implausibility in a sci fi movie. Stupidest argument in the world.
Quick recap, this was a science fiction movie set up what 30 years from now. Okay? Everyone got that?
It took place in 2027 if I remember correctly...
But whatever, the movie was simply fantastic. I had high expectations as everyone else and left mesmerized by how good it really was. I actually became a little teary eyed when everyone stopped at the sight of the baby, it was just kind of a humbling moment. The characters, plot, dialogue were all done well, I thought.
[spoiler:d820c990e7]Something I loved and hated was how Theo and Julian began to hit it off again after being seperated for 20 years. You feel this deep connection with them, the director did a great job of making you thing "It will all turn out ok," and then she gets killed.
Jasper's death was great. Kee's lines were, sometimes, forced it seemed and a little out of place.
Went with my girlfriend to see this movie and she wants to read the book now because she's convinced it will explain the infertility. I cannot say whether it would or not, but I tried to reassure her that no director would leave something THAT huge out of the story. Something that I had to agree with her on was why the animals were so fond of Theo. Maybe the animals felt that he was "the one" or whatever?
She thought the ending left much to be desired after such an awesome movie. Initially that was my reaction as well, but then I asked myself how much further they could have taken it. I expected it to just leave her out there in the water waiting, but was relieved toactually see the Tomorrow. I'll be getting her the book for Valentine's day, though.[/spoiler:d820c990e7]
Quick recap, this was a science fiction movie set up what 30 years from now. Okay? Everyone got that?
It took place in 2027 if I remember correctly...
But whatever, the movie was simply fantastic. I had high expectations as everyone else and left mesmerized by how good it really was. I actually became a little teary eyed when everyone stopped at the sight of the baby, it was just kind of a humbling moment. The characters, plot, dialogue were all done well, I thought.
[spoiler:005a69d742]Something I loved and hated was how Theo and Julian began to hit it off again after being seperated for 20 years. You feel this deep connection with them, the director did a great job of making you thing "It will all turn out ok," and then she gets killed.
Jasper's death was great. Kee's lines were, sometimes, forced it seemed and a little out of place.
Went with my girlfriend to see this movie and she wants to read the book now because she's convinced it will explain the infertility. I cannot say whether it would or not, but I tried to reassure her that no director would leave something THAT huge out of the story. Something that I had to agree with her on was why the animals were so fond of Theo. Maybe the animals felt that he was "the one" or whatever?
She thought the ending left much to be desired after such an awesome movie. Initially that was my reaction as well, but then I asked myself how much further they could have taken it. I expected it to just leave her out there in the water waiting, but was relieved toactually see the Tomorrow. I'll be getting her the book for Valentine's day, though.[/spoiler:005a69d742]
[spoiler:005a69d742]The book is a lot different than the movie. In the book I think it's that sperm counts everywhere drop to zero even, even stores ones in sperm banks. But I don't think they really go into it though it's been a few years since I've read it.[/spoiler:005a69d742]
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This is basically a social commentary sci-fi story.
You have a concept. This concept is: what if women were unable to have any children. What would happen? This film is about what would happen, how society changes as a result to that. The actual characters running around isn't hugely important, it mostly just is to give you characters to follow so you can get a glimpse at various parts of society; the working class, revolutionary groups, refugee camps and so on.
And it did this very, very well.
[spoiler:16134b8ec8]I didn't think the tommorow was going to come at all.[/spoiler:16134b8ec8]
And if that was the case I still would have loved the movie because of what Docshifty. The point was that people still cared even when things couldn't be fixed, they didn't know and werent going to give up.
"Read twice, post once. It's almost like 'measure twice, cut once' only with reading." - MetaverseNomad
here's one from the latter (paraphrased)
[spoiler:a5630ef8f6]What was up with the part where they had to jump start the car? why didn't any of the Fish people follow them? they had plenty of cars to use right there. this movie didn't make any sense.[/spoiler:a5630ef8f6]
and my rebuttal to such retardedness:
[spoiler:a5630ef8f6]THERES LIKE A TWO MINUTE LONG SCENE WHERE CLIVE OWEN TAKES ALL THE KEYS OUT OF THE OTHER CARS YOU IDIOT[/spoiler:a5630ef8f6]
Hey I found that review, thats the guy who said the movie was acclaimed because of its leftist politics.
...
...
?
WHY DID I READ THOSE REVIEWS
NOW I AM SO ANGRY
"MEH MEH MEH THEY DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS"
AGH
THESE ARE MY FEELINGS
I WANTED TO ROUND THEM UP AND HAVE THEM EXTERMINATED FOR BEING IDIOTS
They seem to be the majority too
"leftist propaganda" and "they didn't answer my questions" were the most common comments.
Like, fuck. That's really depressing.
I can't even begin to imagine how they managed to link Children of Men to leftist propaganda. But, I did just see the guy on The Colbert Report who wrote a book about "The Left" leading America to 9/11, so I really shouldn't be suprised. However my mind still boggles.
"Read twice, post once. It's almost like 'measure twice, cut once' only with reading." - MetaverseNomad
Large sectors of Republicans (and right-wing parties in other nations) are anti-immigrant to one degree or another.
Therefore, zomg leftist propaganda
It could be taken as a message, or just a natural albeit depressing shift in politics.
Was anyone really going into the theatre expecting dancing bunnies shitting rainbows and farting giggles?
However, only a fundie type would take something like that and pretend it makes the movie bad. Instead of actually analyze or look through someone else's eyes, they just wrote it off.
This might be considered a shock image, I hope I don't get banned. To quote Samantha Carter in Stargate's 200th episode, "Everything about that statement [paragraph] is just wrong."
Yeah, me too. Nose surgery to stop the bleeding.
...what?
It is so bad that it makes me think the review is fake.
Movie was good. Some people didn't take to it, other people were too stupid/ADD to follow it.
Stupid people are fun to talk about because we are better than them.
Let's move on.
Also that reviewer that thought it was a future where babies were not allowed was probably pretty high when he saw it and didn't bother listening or reading anything in the film.
I bet that the guy didn't see the movie, only commercials, and saw that "oh they are trying to get that pregnant girl somewhere without anyone knowing, they must have banned births, lol stupid lamezorz movie!"
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Definetly some serious Half-Life vibes going on in it, as far as gov't vs. the people.
I thought the movie overall was very good, though I would have liked a little more background/detail instead of 80mins of "explosions, LOL!" Cinnematics were excellent.
It certainly didn't help the shaken feeling as I drove home that on NPR there was an 1st-person audio play about a guy having his only son still-born. How creepy was that?
Yeah, it was a little heavy-handed at times. Half the audience laughed/piffit when they saw, "Homeland Security." I would hope the Brits would come up with as better name, something with 'Ministry of', or 'Bureau', at least.
Some things in the movie were a bit off. Characterization, pacing, and story structure immediately come to mind. It felt like the script had a lot of work done to it, and they didn't ever really find that sweet spot.
One thing that made me really excited was the obvious influence of video games/FPSes. Games have been influenced by Cinema for so long that it feels great seeing the roles reversed. The GoW/HL2 vibe in the fight scenes were fucking win.
Overall a great film, though very flawed. That Alfonso Cuaron... he really knows how to put a movie together.
It's also insanely depressing. Although, I didn't find it depressing because human beings couldn't reproduce anymore (that's just natural selection as I see it), it was depressing because everyone was just standing around hopelessly getting killed.
I've seen many movies where people get shot and killed in movies, and I didn't bat an eye, but this was something different: It was totally tragic. I guess it's the way it was filmed? I'm not so sure.
Also, extra points to the movie because Alfie was an aged stoner in it. That was ace.
Hey, that was my post.
WHATEVS
it was utterly and disturbingly real.
I don't know why people do that in real life, but I'm sure it has something to do with us not all being protagonist heroes. People freeze up, they cry over dead bodies when it would be safer to run... they die because they are scared. This movie had all that happening around our hero. It was terrifying... and thus satisfying. I've never been pulled in by a movie like that.
Damn I really want to see it again on a big screen.
And it's not just the terrific cinematography (sp?), or the ingaging plot. I felt that pretty much every part of this film was of above excellent standards. For a start, the use of continuous shots really draw you into the film, shit, when I first saw it at the cinema, i forgot i was watch a film for a few brief moments. The scene in the woods, with the one long take, well, that should win a oscar, and I don't care what any of the critics say.
I loved the story, and how it painted a realistic view of the future. (The whole argument about the realitys of humainity becoming infertile is stupid, Suspend your disbelief for a hour and a half.) You could tell that they had thought carefully about it. There is all kinds of backstory and subtle bits of infomation that you will only get if you think about it (Like the majority of cars still on the road being French, obviously suggesting that the french are probably the only country still making cars, or judging by the state of many of the cars, were the last country to make cars) It all these kind of gentle bit of infomation that really make it for me, I hate films and TV shows where they spell EVERYTHING out so that the stupider members of the audience will get it. It's refreshing to see a film that doesn't pander to this group.
Anyway, that's my two pence. I am outta here.
Quick recap, this was a science fiction movie set up what 30 years from now. Okay? Everyone got that? Setting: People are infertile;world goes mostly to hell. I dont understand how people are saying things are implausible. Are you expecting a discovery tv show about infertility? Did you really need a hand holding session where a character talks about the infertility plague for 20 minutes, with flashback after flashback of women crying as they miscarried or a nurse looking at an empty maternity ward?
This is a movie about what happens when the major driving force in life is cut out. How society tries to adapt and in this case mostly fails. I thought it was a great movie simply for that, it raised goosebumps on me several times and actually had me shed a tear when Theo breaks down after the first action sequence occurs, and I think the last time I cried at the movies was when I saw a movie when I was ten, now 24.
Only thing I can think of is some of the forum goers who come up with the line "the main plot piece is implausible" are either a)Trolls b)Too young to really understand what the hell the movie is about or just how little we can really do even with today's medical technology c)People had problems understanding everything that was said because of the accents and lost valuable plot pieces that explain everything that's happening in the damn movie.
It's always true they could of just not liked the movie. Which is fine. However please dont use crap about implausibility in a sci fi movie. Stupidest argument in the world.
It took place in 2027 if I remember correctly...
But whatever, the movie was simply fantastic. I had high expectations as everyone else and left mesmerized by how good it really was. I actually became a little teary eyed when everyone stopped at the sight of the baby, it was just kind of a humbling moment. The characters, plot, dialogue were all done well, I thought.
[spoiler:d820c990e7]Something I loved and hated was how Theo and Julian began to hit it off again after being seperated for 20 years. You feel this deep connection with them, the director did a great job of making you thing "It will all turn out ok," and then she gets killed.
Jasper's death was great. Kee's lines were, sometimes, forced it seemed and a little out of place.
Went with my girlfriend to see this movie and she wants to read the book now because she's convinced it will explain the infertility. I cannot say whether it would or not, but I tried to reassure her that no director would leave something THAT huge out of the story. Something that I had to agree with her on was why the animals were so fond of Theo. Maybe the animals felt that he was "the one" or whatever?
She thought the ending left much to be desired after such an awesome movie. Initially that was my reaction as well, but then I asked myself how much further they could have taken it. I expected it to just leave her out there in the water waiting, but was relieved toactually see the Tomorrow. I'll be getting her the book for Valentine's day, though.[/spoiler:d820c990e7]
[spoiler:005a69d742]The book is a lot different than the movie. In the book I think it's that sperm counts everywhere drop to zero even, even stores ones in sperm banks. But I don't think they really go into it though it's been a few years since I've read it.[/spoiler:005a69d742]
Edit: You know what just occurred to me? The movie version of Y: The Last Man is in pre-production.
I kinda feel bad for Brian Vaughan, because I can already hear critics referring to it as "Children of Men in reverse"