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eatmosushi
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A long time acquaintance loaned me a copy of final fantasy tactics nearly 4 years ago.
This month he has been hounding me to get it back because it is a collectors item worth $50 now.
I told him I couldn't find it, because it's been 4 damn years, and I'm not giving him $50.
Who is in the wrong?
This month he has been hounding me to get it back because it is a collectors item worth $50 now.
I told him I couldn't find it, because it's been 4 damn years, and I'm not giving him $50.
Who is in the wrong?
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sorry it doesn't sound like what you want to hear
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Of course it isn't your fault. I don't think I have a game I had from even 2 years ago, as they were either traded in or lent out to friends ;-). Yeah it's worth 50 dollars but he made the decision to lend it out for you for 4 goddamn years. He's just pissed at missing out on the cash.
Now if he handed it to you and said, "This is worth 50 dollars, don't lose it or you'll have to pay for it." Then yes you owe him 50 dollars. If not, as Jimmy would say: I mean, come on....come on.
that being said, it is four years later, and he should be understanding about that fact. he allowed his possessions to get away from him for so long, and things get lost. it is a dick move to then go and say "give me $50."
you should both take this as a lesson to not borrow stuff for an extended amount of time, and he to not loan it for so long.
edit- granted 4 years is a long time.
At the same time, if one of them did ask me to return a game and I had lost years ago it I'd probably make up for it somehow (buy them a new game?).
Replace it or stump up the cash. If you don't think it's worth $50, then go and find him a replacement copy.
He may be being a dick about it. But you borrowed it and should have kept track of it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00002SVWG/ref=sr_1_olp_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262642677&sr=8-2&condition=used
$22 for the disk. He didn't hire you to be the custodian of his collectors item that he just found out was a collectors item. $35 gets you a used copy in good condition. The dude is still a twat for even mentioning it.
Friend: Wow, FF Tactics sells for $50 now. I wish I could find mine.
You: Oh, you lent it to me 4 years ago, and I never gave it back.
Friend: Really?!? Wow, can I have it back?
You: No.
I mean, I'm having a hard time seeing any way that you aren't being a total douche by holding on to something that he lent to you and that he knows you have, just because it's worth more. What more important, the game or the friend?
he can download it off the PSN for $10.
I told him I'd give him $10, otherwise, he can eat a dick.
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He asked me for it a few days ago. I said i'd look for it, but I wasn't sure where it was. (I've moved twice in 4 years)
If I had it, I'd give it to him, but I can't find it.
That said, 4 years is quite some time. Why wasn't it returned in that time? If he up and left the area and you never had a chance to return it, or something along those lines, then I'd say he should certainly understand that you can't find it.
On the other hand, if you kept dodging his requests to return it, or sold it, or lent it to someone else that lost/sold it, then you should replace it.
And $50 isn't much of a "collectors item", it's basically the price it was brand new. If it was like Panzer Dragoon Saga or something that can go for $200+, now that's a lil chunk of change.
*edit* reading your posts above, I'd say offering him the money to replace it via the download should be an acceptable compromise... unless he just HAS to have the disk, and/or suddenly wants to put it on a shelf as a trophy. But neither of those is particularly your problem. I would say try and find a used copy to replace it with if he just can't cope with having it via the PSN Store.
http://catalog.ebay.com/Final-Fantasy-Tactics-PlayStation-1998-/2257?_fifpts=1&_pcatid=2&_refkw=final+fantasy+tactics&_trksid=p3286.c0.m271
If he complains then he has no recourse, as long as it works you've made a good faith effort to give him what he asked for.
If it has some scratches on it, well, he leant it to you 4 years ago.
I dunno, it was probably worth more than $10 when he lent it to you. If you enjoyed playing it and expect him to ever lend you another game I would buy the actual disk off amazon or just give him $30 and email him a link to amazon to buy a replacement himself.
yeah he's being a dick asking for it after this long, but not returning something is a dick move also and $10 makes you look cheap, just as $50 makes him look greedy.
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So, someone loaned you something,. You lost it. You want to give him 1/3rd to 1/5th it's value (depending on how you price it) AND tell him to go eat a dick for being nice and loaning it to you.
Remind me not to be your friend or ever loan you anything.
As someone who has rebought that particular game a couple of times over the years, if you have already offered to replace it for him, he really shouldnt complain any further.
I dont know what type of friend completely forgets about something for 4 years, remembers, and tries to call it in like a debt/loan.
Hell, if I loaned a friend $50 straight up, I would feel bad trying to call that in 4 years later.
Whats next, him reminding you of that time he payed for the movie tickets and snacks because you forgot your wallet, and factoring in inflation you owe him another $30?
Alternately: You take the $50 that the item is worth, then deduct $1 a month for storage and handling and catalogue fee's. You can pay him back $4 and tell him to eat his own cock.
MWO: Adamski
replace it. at the very very least, search high and low to recover the one he gave you
I hope this is a goddamn joke, because it's fucking terrible advice if it's not.
You'd feel bad for calling in debts just because it's been a little while? That's what debts are about. The entire point of a debt is for it to be repaid at a later date. And if he gets to charge his friend a "storage fee", then he gets to charge his super an apartment-sitting fee, and his bank a car-storage fee, etc. etc.
Four years is a while, but it's not an eternity like a lot of you guys act like it is.
OP, you owe your friend a game, period. Not a digital download either, a physical copy of the game, case and all. If you want to tell him to eat a dick, that's fine, but doing so makes you cheap and unreliable.
you sound like the guy who orders three martinis and expects the guy who got one coke to split the cost.
the fact is that his friend wants the game back. it wasn't a gift, so what's so crazy about that? i think the least he could do is sit down with the guy and calmly explain that, many apologies, but over the course of four years the game has been misplaced and the op would like to make that up to him in some reasonable manner.
A download is not the same as the physical disk. For one, you can't sale a download like you can a disc; which is what the owner wants to do. He wants to sale HIS property. The game was borrowed, not a gift. If the OP lost or destroyed the owners property, then he should replace it with something of equal value, not a cheap knock off.
"oh hey, can I borrow your car to run to the beer store?"
"hey, I'm back. I forgot were I parked your car, but here is a bike... it rides just as good, plus your car was old anyways and it's been like 4 minutes since you loaned me it, you shouldn't expect it back after time has passed. You should be happy with this bike, go eat a dick"
really, that is what the OP is saying:
-He lost the disc
-He feels he shouldn't have to replace it because X time has passed.
-At best he wants to replace it with a cheap knock off
-He wants to tell the owner to "go eat a dick" for requesting his rightful property back in the same condition he loaned it out.
wtf?
Your analogy is ridiculous. At best the original owner would snag $10 for this. He should be happy with it. He sounds like a down on his luck ass who's trying to pry $50 out of the OP.
I have had my onyx SP with Pokemon Silver and Gold out on loan for 3 years now. I ask after it every 3 months, and each time receive an appeal that it's still in use. According to a bunch of people here, apparently the goods now belong to this guy. I think its crazy that our opinions are all so different.
My opinion on the OP situation is that the owner of the item gets to decide how long is too long and if you see something on the shelf that you've had for what YOU consider "too long" for a loan, then you damn well return it, you don't magically own it.
my personal rule is that i won't borrow something that i don't have time immediately to read or watch or whatever. i don't like to keep things for longer than a couple weeks.
once a friend of mine insisted on loaning me the film version of catch-22. i had never seen it and never really wanted to. the book is an old favorite of mine and he loved the movie. he brought it to some gathering and insisted that i take it and watch it. i agreed and then promptly lost it when i moved apartments. even though i didn't want to borrow it in the first place, i replaced it because it was my own fucking fault for losing it. it wasn't mine to lose as i please.
i'm not saying the other guy is right to be hounding him about it four years after the fact (i personally would probably just chalk it up to experience, especially if another copy is easily obtainable), but sometimes you forget about things until later. that doesn't give a person carte blanche to tell someone to fuck off just because it's been a while.
a reasonable compromise can be reached.
alternatively, that fat fuck polonius says neither a borrower nor a lender be.
If by some strange chance after 4 years and 2 moves, the OP still managed to keep track of this other person's game, then I agree that it would be right to give it back to the original owner (and he would be damn lucky to get it back). It's not that the game became the OP's property as much as his responsibility to keep track of it ran out. The original owner should have tried to get it back years ago.
what's the statute of limitations there? how long can hang on to something before i get to tell the actual owner to go fuck himself when he wants it back?
I would throw the number at 12 months since the last time you asked for or checked on the status of your property. If you are lending someone something of value for longer than a year, you should probably have a written if informal contract. Thats generally the point that most common law courts start saying you should watch out for your own property as well.
And we can tell the original owner isnt being truthful here by demanding $50 in compensation, when a cursory search tells us the value is placed closer between $10 and $20.
MWO: Adamski
It's actually exactly the same thing. Same game, questionably $40 cheaper. The fuckwad is trying to shake down the OP for $50 for a 10 year old video game that he loaned out without followup for 4 years and 2 moves.
If you'd demand exact restitution under these circumstances, that's your deal, but I can't even fathom how broke I would have to be to try and recover a "collectors item" worth $50.
This sounds like some serious Scott Tennorman shit right here. OP, don't go near any pony farms for a while.