But you see, that's the beauty of doing it with comics. And there wouldn't even be political meanings behind it (given a non ham fisted writer); the X-Men are tired of living on a sinking asteroid. They decide to all go to one messed up country (they just have to pick one). They clean it up, because they can, even pointing out that regular humans could have done this to help their fellow man years ago but chose not to. Of course initial backlash would happen, because they're getting upstaged, but the X-Men win over the innocent people in this nation, and start to rebuild and show the world peaceful coexistence it can be done.
You do that kind of story, and don't change it 10 months later, it will work. And I have no problem with the killing, kill terrorists all day long.
Much like Authoritative Action during Waid's FF run, or the Standoff crossover that started in Jurgens Thor run (so good), let some heroes have a fucking chance to fix stuff without using a pussy cop-out like SHIELD.
Except it will end up the same way Genosha did eventually because no matter how far they move forward mutants have to be pushed back to being feared and hated and on the run eventually in the Marvel Universe.
But thats the thing. You could have mutants do that and point out that humans could have already done this and everything, and they could be entirely right, but humans would still hate them, because nobody likes to be shown that they are incompetent. Human beings are not rational, and if mutants are shown to be awesome cool guys who just want to help people out they would probably find that humans hate them because they think they're being replaced.
In fact, that's what I'd like to see the real basis of anti-mutant feelings being. Not hating them because they're different or dangerous or even an abomination but because they are here to replace us. Because they are superior over normal humans due to them having the same base intellectual and physical capabilities but all having amazing superpowers.
Sure, let superheroes fix stuff and have an actual impact. I'm all for that, and the X-Men could be great. Honestly I think the de-powering was a bit of a cop-out because having a huge nation of millions of mutants on an island somewhere was actually pretty cool rather than whipping it back to the status quo.
And I suppose the X-Men could take over a country somewhere and clean it up and it would come out well for them, but you'd need a hell of a writer if it was intended to feel vaguely realistic and acceptable, at least for me. And if you'd accept it more easily that's fine and cool, I'm just saying if they did that story the outcome might be completely acceptable for you but it probably wouldn't for me.
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But you see, that's the beauty of doing it with comics. And there wouldn't even be political meanings behind it (given a non ham fisted writer); the X-Men are tired of living on a sinking asteroid. They decide to all go to one messed up country (they just have to pick one). They clean it up, because they can, even pointing out that regular humans could have done this to help their fellow man years ago but chose not to. Of course initial backlash would happen, because they're getting upstaged, but the X-Men win over the innocent people in this nation, and start to rebuild and show the world peaceful coexistence it can be done.
You do that kind of story, and don't change it 10 months later, it will work. And I have no problem with the killing, kill terrorists all day long.
Much like Authoritative Action during Waid's FF run, or the Standoff crossover that started in Jurgens Thor run (so good), let some heroes have a fucking chance to fix stuff without using a pussy cop-out like SHIELD.
Except it will end up the same way Genosha did eventually because no matter how far they move forward mutants have to be pushed back to being feared and hated and on the run eventually in the Marvel Universe.
Only under the totalitarian regimes of the last EiCs, not under a bold new direction.
And I could even have an out to this whole scenario; after being in this country for a while, the US admits "hey, we were hella wrong about you guys for so long, let's make up for it", and through some deal with whatever the next peacekeeping acronym force is, they are back in New York or the northeast in exchange for having some mutants be a strikeforce (which fills the X-Force void). And in fact, states would fight over wanting the X-Men to reside in their states because they see the good they do.
I know in comics change is never allowed, especially these days, but this would be my way to fix mutant problems. Either that or just kill them all.
I agree on the mutants in Marvel being a problem that still needs to be solved. They either need to let things change in the 616 universe or they need to take steps to make it look like the lack of change isn't wierd which aren't cop-outs. I can see why the depowered the mutants in House of M, and honestly if Joey Q had rung me up and said "hey, I know we've never met before, but depowering of mutants or not?" I'd probably have gone with the depowering given that Marvel over-all do want to keep thigns vaguely like the real world.
Another problem is that the X-verse seems to be very much apart from everyone else, which sucks mighty balls, because it keeps interaction to a real low and cool characters never get to cross the divide unless their wolverine or deadpool and seriously those two can fuck right off.
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But thats the thing. You could have mutants do that and point out that humans could have already done this and everything, and they could be entirely right, but humans would still hate them, because nobody likes to be shown that they are incompetent. Human beings are not rational, and if mutants are shown to be awesome cool guys who just want to help people out they would probably find that humans hate them because they think they're being replaced.
In fact, that's what I'd like to see the real basis of anti-mutant feelings being. Not hating them because they're different or dangerous or even an abomination but because they are here to replace us. Because they are superior over normal humans due to them having the same base intellectual and physical capabilities but all having amazing superpowers.
The solution to this is to not make mutant powers be this great thing, which it is often shown as. Make it be a real crapshoot in terms of what could happen to your son or daughter, where they might have something as simple as being able to change eye color or maybe being like that guy from Morrison's run who turned into a gas and had to stay in a suit to live. Instead of fearing them having laser eyes, pity them for being turned into stone and not being able to sit in a regular chair.
Of course for the bigger winners in the mutant lottery, make it so that they have to get training for the powers, telepaths would have to be limited, with something like wearing a bracelet dampner or something (which of course under a bad writer would be fuel for a Days of Future Past type story, when I look at it through the lens of trying to appease mutants and humans), and when it comes to mutant villains who are repeat offenders they get hit with something akin to SPIN tech.
I know these things will never, ever happen these days because writers will always look for an easy way out, especially when they've read and been told their whole life mutants have to be the victim in everything, but this gets them into new territory.
Having just read the first Kyle/Yost New-X-men story it's interesting to see how different most of the characters ended up becoming like Wither. I've read all of their X-Force run so far and it's cool to see them referencing so much from their previous work.
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I'd just like to point out that Cable took over a third world country in Cable and Deadpool.
A lot of people were sent to kill him and destabilize the country as a result.
A lot of people are convinced it will be Kurt, based on the fact that he's both ubiquitous and completely expendable.
That would tie in to the biblical stuff being ham fisted in right now, as well as all the stuff with Second Coming having a gothic font to it.
Also the whole die, die, everybody die stuff:
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Killing Colossus again would be hilarious
I kind of hope it's Bobby, because he just feels so wasted. That way they'd only bring him back if they got somebody who actually wanted to write him. Or they could just give him back to Carey and I would buy X-books again.
Killing Kurt would be pointless and tragic, so I'd give it even money
1. He's redundant - Pixie can do his job
2. He's been bitchy - see #1
3. He's only fun when he's in swashbuckling mode, which has been a while
EDIT: 4. Shock value - he's an iconic X-Man
Other options:
Colossus - Nope, Kitty just came back
Magik (if that's her in the image) - Nope, she just came back, and we've already had the Colossus losing his sister story
Husk (if that's her in the image) - Possibility... I haven't followed her since her creepy romance with Angel, so I couldn't say
Iceman - Possibility due to how poorly he's been treated/written over the past couple of decades (give him to Carey, Marvel)
(Arch)Angel - Not seeing it, due to him having his new found old badass side
Emma - Possibility due to shock value, and to possibly explore a not-Jean/Hope and Cyclops angle
Cable - Possibility due to shock value, and how much more can be written about him, anyway?
I think Cable makes the most sense for story purposes, as giving his life to save Hope is both consistent with his present characterization and the ultimate heroic act given that characterization. Furthermore, it makes sense as a denouement to the overall story of him going back in time to create a better future, since rescuing Hope both makes that better future possible in a decisive way and eliminates Cable's overall purpose.
Additionally, he's more disposable than the other characters since his very nature makes his inevitable return really easy, whereas bringing Nightcrawler back from the dead would take some doing.
And in general, I think the other possibilities for deaths haven't had enough build-up to make their deaths worthwhile as anything but shock value. As far as I know, Cable and Cyclops are the only people with any especially strong connection to Hope, which is something you need as a foundation for a meaningful sacrifice.
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Except it will end up the same way Genosha did eventually because no matter how far they move forward mutants have to be pushed back to being feared and hated and on the run eventually in the Marvel Universe.
In fact, that's what I'd like to see the real basis of anti-mutant feelings being. Not hating them because they're different or dangerous or even an abomination but because they are here to replace us. Because they are superior over normal humans due to them having the same base intellectual and physical capabilities but all having amazing superpowers.
Sure, let superheroes fix stuff and have an actual impact. I'm all for that, and the X-Men could be great. Honestly I think the de-powering was a bit of a cop-out because having a huge nation of millions of mutants on an island somewhere was actually pretty cool rather than whipping it back to the status quo.
And I suppose the X-Men could take over a country somewhere and clean it up and it would come out well for them, but you'd need a hell of a writer if it was intended to feel vaguely realistic and acceptable, at least for me. And if you'd accept it more easily that's fine and cool, I'm just saying if they did that story the outcome might be completely acceptable for you but it probably wouldn't for me.
Only under the totalitarian regimes of the last EiCs, not under a bold new direction.
And I could even have an out to this whole scenario; after being in this country for a while, the US admits "hey, we were hella wrong about you guys for so long, let's make up for it", and through some deal with whatever the next peacekeeping acronym force is, they are back in New York or the northeast in exchange for having some mutants be a strikeforce (which fills the X-Force void). And in fact, states would fight over wanting the X-Men to reside in their states because they see the good they do.
I know in comics change is never allowed, especially these days, but this would be my way to fix mutant problems. Either that or just kill them all.
Another problem is that the X-verse seems to be very much apart from everyone else, which sucks mighty balls, because it keeps interaction to a real low and cool characters never get to cross the divide unless their wolverine or deadpool and seriously those two can fuck right off.
The solution to this is to not make mutant powers be this great thing, which it is often shown as. Make it be a real crapshoot in terms of what could happen to your son or daughter, where they might have something as simple as being able to change eye color or maybe being like that guy from Morrison's run who turned into a gas and had to stay in a suit to live. Instead of fearing them having laser eyes, pity them for being turned into stone and not being able to sit in a regular chair.
Of course for the bigger winners in the mutant lottery, make it so that they have to get training for the powers, telepaths would have to be limited, with something like wearing a bracelet dampner or something (which of course under a bad writer would be fuel for a Days of Future Past type story, when I look at it through the lens of trying to appease mutants and humans), and when it comes to mutant villains who are repeat offenders they get hit with something akin to SPIN tech.
I know these things will never, ever happen these days because writers will always look for an easy way out, especially when they've read and been told their whole life mutants have to be the victim in everything, but this gets them into new territory.
A lot of people were sent to kill him and destabilize the country as a result.
But the people of the country were, as I recall, very impressed by and grateful to Cable.
I want Land off the book and Kate Beaton on it, anyway. It would be the best.
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It's either Emma or Bobby (I guess that's Paige or Illyana tot he left of Colossus?)
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so a pregnant husk can cry at his grave
and that will be why she has been mia for so long
she was pregnant with his child
and then something with mammomax happens
That would tie in to the biblical stuff being ham fisted in right now, as well as all the stuff with Second Coming having a gothic font to it.
Also the whole die, die, everybody die stuff:
I kind of hope it's Bobby, because he just feels so wasted. That way they'd only bring him back if they got somebody who actually wanted to write him. Or they could just give him back to Carey and I would buy X-books again.
Killing Kurt would be pointless and tragic, so I'd give it even money
I guess Husk, if that's her.
Don't let him tell you otherwise
Pixie Strikes Back hasn't finished yet
maybe she is striking back
from beyooooooooooooond the graaaaaaaaaave
The next issues is her dead and nobody cares.
1. He's redundant - Pixie can do his job
2. He's been bitchy - see #1
3. He's only fun when he's in swashbuckling mode, which has been a while
EDIT: 4. Shock value - he's an iconic X-Man
Other options:
Colossus - Nope, Kitty just came back
Magik (if that's her in the image) - Nope, she just came back, and we've already had the Colossus losing his sister story
Husk (if that's her in the image) - Possibility... I haven't followed her since her creepy romance with Angel, so I couldn't say
Iceman - Possibility due to how poorly he's been treated/written over the past couple of decades (give him to Carey, Marvel)
(Arch)Angel - Not seeing it, due to him having his new found old badass side
Emma - Possibility due to shock value, and to possibly explore a not-Jean/Hope and Cyclops angle
Cable - Possibility due to shock value, and how much more can be written about him, anyway?
Additionally, he's more disposable than the other characters since his very nature makes his inevitable return really easy, whereas bringing Nightcrawler back from the dead would take some doing.
And in general, I think the other possibilities for deaths haven't had enough build-up to make their deaths worthwhile as anything but shock value. As far as I know, Cable and Cyclops are the only people with any especially strong connection to Hope, which is something you need as a foundation for a meaningful sacrifice.
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Everyone will forget who Nightcrawler really is?
diabolical