Project 10 Dollar -- EA's Digital Strategy

BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Games and Technology
Really interesting article here about what EA is doing to try to stay competitive: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_08/b4167064465834.htm

The article also confirms, expect to see Free Day 1 DLC to purchasers of NEW copies in all EA titles

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So, I can buy a brand new game for $60 and get $10 worth of DLC included for free

    or

    I can buy the same used game for $30 or $40 and pay $10 for the DLC

    hmmm...

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  • solsovlysolsovly Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    So, I can buy a brand new game for $60 and get $10 worth of DLC included for free

    or

    I can buy the same used game for $30 or $40 and pay $10 for the DLC

    hmmm...

    More like pay 50-55 for a shitty copy at Gamestop for a loooong time.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I actually think that's a really cool way to encourage people to buy new.

    ...Though Smokestacks raises a good point. I guess in their mind, this way even if people buy used they have a better chance at getting some profit?

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's not an incentive to buy new so much as a way to skim off profit from the resale market.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    kaliyama wrote: »
    It's not an incentive to buy new so much as a way to skim off profit from the resale market.

    I think they'd rather you pay 60 dollars directly to them (well, minus however much the stores take of that, I have no idea) than pay 10 dollars directly to them.

    I mean I'm sure that's part of it too.

    Especially since they can't guarantee that people want the extra content. Like if I had bought ME2 used I probably wouldn't have bothered buying Zaeed and the Normandy mission.

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  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I think its a pretty smart way of getting around the problem while stepping on as few toes as possible

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Or you can pay $50 for a new copy of the PC game and get the $10 DLC for free while the console people pay another $10 to get it for $0.

    Net.

    What?

    THIS IS CONFUSING

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Publishers using DLC and online features to attempt to make new purchases attractive compared to used purchases is completely fine in my book.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    This is fine, people who buy new aren't losing anything and EA has a chance to at least get some profit from people who buy used.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    How much percentage do retailers get from a $60 game anyway?

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    This is fine, people who buy new aren't losing anything and EA has a chance to at least get some profit from people who buy used.

    What about the people that don't have their xbox connected to the internet because Microsoft doesn't include wifi in the xbox?

    Put the finished game on the disc.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    How much percentage do retailers get from a $60 game anyway?

    $10ish.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Or you can pay $50 for a new copy of the PC game and get the $10 DLC for free while the console people pay another $10 to get it for $0.

    Net.

    What?

    THIS IS CONFUSING

    But you paid $1,500 for your gaming PC

    Net.

    What?

    CAN OF WORMS

    Anyway, how is the DLC going to be handled in terms of reinstalls? As in, I buy GunShooter III brand new for $50 for the PC, download the included free DLC, and then I beat it and uninstall, or my system goes down and I have to reformat. Either way, I end up having to reinstall, and I wonder how the DLC tag will be tracked.

    Am I going to have to sign up for some sort of EA account to track the DLC, alongside the nineteen other programs you have to create an account for to be a PC gamer these days?

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    This is just another step in the slow but inevitable death of used game sales.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    This is fine, people who buy new aren't losing anything and EA has a chance to at least get some profit from people who buy used.

    What about the people that don't have their xbox connected to the internet because Microsoft doesn't include wifi in the xbox?

    Put the finished game on the disc.

    That's tough bones, I suppose. This content isn't anything necessary to enjoy the game, it's just a nice bonus and an incentive to buy new. Mass Effect 2 is a fantastic game that has plenty of content without Zaeed.

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  • HilleanHillean Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    How much percentage do retailers get from a $60 game anyway?

    A lot less than they get for that $50-55 used game.

    In a way, I like the new way they're doing things--with Dragon Age, I GameFly'd it, but I ended up buying Shale, because well... Shale is fucking awesome.

    Once I realized he came FREE with the new copy, I'd wished I would have just bought it new. Then it struck me exactly what they were trying to accomplish, and it had hit home.

    I just hope they continue to give out GOOD content for free... almost like what ME2 is trying to do with the Cerberus Card or w/e; occassional free shit for having this content, instead of a one-time deal like Shale. When they start completing games, and cutting out small parts to force you to buy new, is when it starts getting excessive and sucking ass (like Shale and Zaeed).

    If it continues like the Cerberus Card stuff, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't mind buying new.

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  • HilleanHillean Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    -Tal wrote: »
    This is fine, people who buy new aren't losing anything and EA has a chance to at least get some profit from people who buy used.

    What about the people that don't have their xbox connected to the internet because Microsoft doesn't include wifi in the xbox?

    Put the finished game on the disc.

    You can wait for the discs--most games now are starting to have DLC available on discs; Fallout 3 has either 2 or 3 discs out for DLC, and I'm hearing rumblings of Borderlands putting Mad Sucks-if-you-dont-have-4players and Jakobs Cove on a disc, for those who can't get online.

    If you just want the stuff like Shale & Zaeed however, you're just shit out of luck. If EA continues to succeed like they are right now, you'll start seeing similiar with other gaming companies.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hillean wrote: »
    How much percentage do retailers get from a $60 game anyway?

    A lot less than they get for that $50-55 used game.

    In a way, I like the new way they're doing things--with Dragon Age, I GameFly'd it, but I ended up buying Shale, because well... Shale is fucking awesome.

    Once I realized he came FREE with the new copy, I'd wished I would have just bought it new. Then it struck me exactly what they were trying to accomplish, and it had hit home.

    I just hope they continue to give out GOOD content for free... almost like what ME2 is trying to do with the Cerberus Card or w/e; occassional free shit for having this content, instead of a one-time deal like Shale. When they start completing games, and cutting out small parts to force you to buy new, is when it starts getting excessive and sucking ass (like Shale and Zaeed).

    If it continues like the Cerberus Card stuff, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't mind buying new.

    They are not "giving out" content, they are holding content that would otherwise be in the game hostage.
    Hillean wrote: »

    You can wait for the discs--most games now are starting to have DLC available on discs; Fallout 3 has either 2 or 3 discs out for DLC, and I'm hearing rumblings of Borderlands putting Mad Sucks-if-you-dont-have-4players and Jakobs Cove on a disc, for those who can't get online.

    If you just want the stuff like Shale & Zaeed however, you're just shit out of luck. If EA continues to succeed like they are right now, you'll start seeing similiar with other gaming companies.

    If I'm buying the disc they are no longer giving me the content free.

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  • HilleanHillean Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hillean wrote: »
    How much percentage do retailers get from a $60 game anyway?

    A lot less than they get for that $50-55 used game.

    In a way, I like the new way they're doing things--with Dragon Age, I GameFly'd it, but I ended up buying Shale, because well... Shale is fucking awesome.

    Once I realized he came FREE with the new copy, I'd wished I would have just bought it new. Then it struck me exactly what they were trying to accomplish, and it had hit home.

    I just hope they continue to give out GOOD content for free... almost like what ME2 is trying to do with the Cerberus Card or w/e; occassional free shit for having this content, instead of a one-time deal like Shale. When they start completing games, and cutting out small parts to force you to buy new, is when it starts getting excessive and sucking ass (like Shale and Zaeed).

    If it continues like the Cerberus Card stuff, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't mind buying new.

    They are not "giving out" content, they are holding content that would otherwise be in the game hostage.

    Yes, so they actually make some money off their game.

    Say someone buys Dragon Age new, $60 bones, bam.
    EA makes some money.

    Person trades in to GameStop, GameStop sells for $50-55.
    EA makes nothing.

    That person trades in the copy, GameStop profits again.
    And again, and again until the game isn't worth anything.
    EA makes profit off the initial sale, no more.

    At least by taking their current stance, they could make $10-15 off each USED sale, which is good from a company standpoint.

    It DOES, however, suck when they start snipping games so they can push a new sale--but there's not much we can do to stop that.

    Oh, and if your reasonings are all having to do with 'oh well I dont have online access, I have a gameplan for you.

    Get a towel, wipe off your bleeding knuckles (I know they're bleeding cuz you're dragging them everywhere you go), and go hook your shit up online.

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  • DsmartDsmart Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I like this better then project 20$: buy the game new and get the last 1/3rd of the game free, or pay 20$ for it.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    Going off of ME2, you are seriously not missing anything if you don't get the Cerberus Network stuff.

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  • DsmartDsmart Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

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  • HilleanHillean Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    Going off of ME2, you are seriously not missing anything if you don't get the Cerberus Network stuff.

    Agreed; although having the blacked-out spot where Zaeed goes just sitting there MOCKING YOU would get kind of old; kind of like he's always supposed to have been there.

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  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    Going off of ME2, you are seriously not missing anything if you don't get the Cerberus Network stuff.

    I dunno. Zaeed's got some pretty cool stuff going on, despite the fact that he was designed as DLC to begin with. In all, he's a pretty alright incentive to buy new, I think.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    Going off of ME2, you are seriously not missing anything if you don't get the Cerberus Network stuff.

    Actually for ME2, the game barely fit on two discs as it was which is probably why you had to actually download Zaeed instead of downloading an unlock code.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

    Alright then, you're getting a ten dollar discount on seventy dollars of content.

    However you want to slice it, they're throwing you a bone if you buy new.

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  • HilleanHillean Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

    Alright then, you're getting a ten dollar discount on seventy dollars of content.

    However you want to slice it, they're throwing you a bone if you buy new.

    Which is their entire strategy

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  • DsmartDsmart Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hey. I am not going to try to rationalize my reaction. Its purely gut level and opinion. I don't like day 1 dlc.

    I prefer cohesion. If they want to make more money they can experiment with pricing or make a big push next-generation with direct-to-drive stuff.

    I only get mad when I get told I should be thankful for my 10 dollars or 20 dollars more "extra" that I got for "gee whiz basically free"

    No. No moron I paid for it. So did you.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

    Alright then, you're getting a ten dollar discount on seventy dollars of content.

    However you want to slice it, they're throwing you a bone if you buy new.

    Is Zaeed worth a 6th of the rest of the game?

    No.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

    Alright then, you're getting a ten dollar discount on seventy dollars of content.

    However you want to slice it, they're throwing you a bone if you buy new.

    No, you're being charged a $10 fee if you don't. You really think they're doing it just to be nice?

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Or you can pay $50 for a new copy of the PC game and get the $10 DLC for free while the console people pay another $10 to get it for $0.

    Net.

    What?

    THIS IS CONFUSING

    That's changing, the entire American market is swinging over to focus on consoles, and we've already seen one $60 price point on the pc for a AAA release in Modern Warfare 2, I'm pretty sure we'll continue to see the prices creep up. And PC users are also getting pretty fucked on digital distribution as well, since we're still paying retail prices for downloads of games.

    As to EA, I like the idea, it seems like a fairly elegant solution to still using DLC to skim content off of used sales (which I disagree with), while encouraging people to buy new. But long term, I could see it putting even more pressure on developers to break games into pieces and sell them off as DLC, which is not a direction I think anyone wants to see the market move towards.

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Is EA going to stop releasing Gold Editions years later? Cause I only buy GOTY and Gold or Complete Editions.

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    So fucking hard.

    Want to toss in a few items or something for people who buy the game new? Awesome. Want to try to control the secondary market by stripping out significant portions of your game and charging anyone who buys it used by the parcel? Die in a fire.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Hey I want to be clear about one thing.

    When I buy your shit for 60 dollars I am not getting anything for free

    Alright then, you're getting a ten dollar discount on seventy dollars of content.

    However you want to slice it, they're throwing you a bone if you buy new.

    I remember a time, long ago, when a man could walk into a game store with $50, and walk out with $50 worth of content.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    mrt144 wrote: »
    Is EA going to stop releasing Gold Editions years later? Cause I only buy GOTY and Gold or Complete Editions.

    I imagine they are going to go the Resident Evil 5 Gold path where the disc is the base game and codes to download the extra content are in the box.

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  • DsmartDsmart Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    If you want to destroy the secondary market then get your lawyers ready, don't pass your shitty courtroom and boardroom drama onto the consumer.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Dsmart wrote: »
    Put. The Finished Game. On the fucking disc.


    Jesus.

    So fucking hard.

    Want to toss in a few items or something for people who buy the game new? Awesome. Want to try to control the secondary market by stripping out significant portions of your game and charging anyone who buys it used by the parcel? Die in a fire.

    To say nothing of being tied to the publisher's website. How long will the EA DLC servers stay up, I wonder?

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    i don't understand why anybody is spergin' over this

    if you pay EA money for their game they are giving you the 100% game

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Hillean wrote: »

    Oh, and if your reasonings are all having to do with 'oh well I dont have online access, I have a gameplan for you.

    Get a towel, wipe off your bleeding knuckles (I know they're bleeding cuz you're dragging them everywhere you go), and go hook your shit up online.

    Did you know that some people also have an Xbox 360 Arcade, which probably does not have enough memory for all this content. Are those people just out of luck?

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