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[Forza 3] Crash test dummies, apply here.

xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Games and Technology
Forza Thursdays:

Miami versus Oahu

Take either the 512 TR or the 288 GTO (the two cars closest to the ones that appeared in Miami Vice and Magnum PI) and tune it up to A class. Pick the show you liked best and defend it to the death!
  • Suzuka Circuit West - 5 laps
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  • Twin Ring Motegi East - 4 laps
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  • Silverstone International - 5 laps
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  • Le Mans Circuit Bugatti - 4 laps
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  • Catalunya National - 5 laps
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  • Nurburgring GP Short - 4 laps
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Super Official Racing Numbers:

Veevee - 33
xzzy - 53
Frendy - 22
Scatman - 37
Vedic - 255
Basticular - 23
Pilgrim - 98
Keml0 - 8
Acidboogie - 86
Huchel - 45
The Ratling - 47
arctic - 04
SiliconStew - 78
Joolander - 81

If you put one of these numbers on your car and you don't have this name, YOU WILL DIE. Probably in some sort of automobile related incident.

Penny Arcade Serious Business Cup (SBC)

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Veevee is running a long term race series, to start on July 6th. Pick your car, and get ready to cozy up with it for three months of your life.

Rules and schedule in the spoiler.

Be aware that a practice session will be held on the normal Thursday race nights, give you a shakedown run for the upcoming race.
[U]Rules[/U]

- No AWD

- Race shocks, Springs, Brakes, Anti-Sway bars are required.

- All races will start with a 2 lap, collision free race for qualifying, if more than 8 people show up, 2 lobbies will be created and each will run a qualifying race.  The lobby leaders will start a party and compare lap times and the top 8 times will be put into a lobby while the remaining people can do what they want.  This is a qualify or go home event.

- The race itself will have enough laps to do about 45 to 60 minutes of solid racing with 2 required pit stops.  Have a scratch pad of paper near by and when you enter the pits, write down what lap it is on, if someone thinks another racer didn't do comply with the pit rule then bring it up to me, I'll find the laps the driver pitted on and verify it on the replay (which will be saved for EVERY race)

- Overly aggressive driving will be frowned upon, and if someone thinks they were taken out intentionally or the other driver was somewhere they shouldn't have been bring it up with me via PM and I'll look it over.  Penalties could be anywhere from a couple points lost to forfeiting the race.  You'll have a lot of laps (possibly 40+) to pass, so don't try to force it when it's not there.

- A first turn crash = auto-restart unless all the involved drivers say no.  A first lap crash involving 3 or more cars = auto-restart unless all the involved drivers say no.  Being spun anywhere but turn 1 =/= a crash, that's just bad luck.  Being spun and smacking the wall, however, is a crash.

- Points will be 100 for 1st, 80 for 2nd, 60 for 3rd, 40 for 4th, 30 for 5th, 20 for 6th, 10 for 7th, and 0 for 8th.

- You are expected to run the same car for every race.  Part of the fun of this is to tweak the tune from weak to weak for each track.  If you want to do a permanent car change bring it up in the forums and we can discuss it as a group

[U]Track List[/U]

Camino Full Reverse - 40 Laps
Road Atlanta Full - 30 Laps
Suzuka Full - 25 Laps
Silverstone GP - 25 Laps
Catalunya Grand Prix - 25 Laps
Ladera Test Track Full - 45 Laps
Sunset Full Reverse - 30 Laps
Motegi Full - 25 Laps
Road America - 20 Laps
Laguna Seca - 30 Laps
Iberian Full Reverse - 45 Laps
Maple Valley Full - 30 Laps

[U]Car List[/U]

C Class:
1997 RX-7        394    
nsx-r                    418
98 Supra RZ	396
1981 BMW M1	392
saleen s281              387
911 turbo 3.3            360
vx220Turbo                397

D Class:
silvia spec-r            338
944 turbo                294
m3e30                    286

E Class:
savanna rx-7              267
camaro iroc-z            219
supra 2.0 gt twin turbo  204
svt cobra r              248

F Class:
firebird trans am gta    194


Other Forza info no one ever reads:

So, Forza 3 is out and you all know it's the best racing game ever.

For the xbox that is.

I'm not going to waste a bunch of time filling out on game details, if you are ignorant of what Forza 3 is, you can go view this fine thread. What I will waste time on is the meaty stuff: Tuning, Driving, Race Nights, and Upcoming DLC.

Previous threads:

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=104264
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=91948


Tuning:

Mostly an art, by far the toughest part of the game. The good news is you can get a pretty decent tune set up by filling out a spreadsheet. To get a really awesome car you'll have to invest time in it, but Feuerdog's tuning calc gives a decent baseline in a minimum amount of time:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/ShowThread.aspx?PostID=3073197&wa=wsignin1.0

Things to keep in mind when tuning your car:

a) Are the tire temperatures even? Bring up the telemetry screen and scroll to the one that shows all four tires and the temperature bands. Get your tires nice and warmed up (in the 190 degree range) by doing a few laps and looking at the three bands. Is the inside edge within 5 degrees of the outside edge? If so, super. Your tires have great contact with the road and are doing their absolute best to keep you on it.

If the inside edge is hotter than the outside edge, you have too much negative camber. Reduce the camber by one or two points and go driving some more.

If the outside edge is hotter than the inside, do the opposite.

b) Does the back end swing out every time you leave a corner? This means you need more grip in the rear. It could also mean you need less grip in the front. This is a job your suspension and roll bars are intended to help with. By adjusting spring rates and roll bar tension, you can adjust the oversteer/understeer balance so the car remains relatively stable coming out of a corner. This may result in less overall grip, but should give you a more controllable vehicle. Basically:

If the back end swings out on you every single time, soften up the rear end. Or stiffen up the front end. For roll bars, increment by 3-5 points. For springs, increment by about 50 points. Only adjust one end of the car at a time.. do the rear, see how the car feels, and on your next adjustment do the front. Adding downforce to the rear can help with this too. Increment in 10lb segments.

If the front end starts shrieking on every corner and you slide off the track, you need more grip in the front. Same as before, just the opposite: stiffen the rear, soften the front, or add downforce to the front.

Some cars refuse to settle down. This is most often true with extremely powerful vehicles with a lot of torque. Sometimes the only cure for oversteer is less throttle.


That should address the most significant problems. I'll flesh the section out as discussion takes place in the thread.

Race Nights:

I usually run a weekly race night over on the Arcadians forum. It takes place every Thursday at 9pm eastern. The basic idea is to take a limited set of cars, tune them to the best of your ability, and show up for races to compete against everyone else.

Race restrictions typically get posted between Friday and Monday. Links to the restrictions will be posted in the thread. Party invites all go out at 9pm sharp, it's first come first serve. No whining if you can't make it in. :)

Also, please spend the funbux to get the Nurburgring GP track. This is a seriously awesome race track, and I try to drive on it as often as I can. If it's on the list of race tracks for the week and you don't have it.. tough luck.

DLC:

We just had some DLC come out, most of the cars were snoozers. The SHO Taurus is pretty cool, but is not the free car of the pack.

The really awesome DLC will hit this summer: The Jalopnik Summer Car Pack. This is a pretty neat list of rides:
1. 1970 Chevrolet El Camino 454 Super Sport
2. 1983 Volvo 242 Group A Homologated
3. 1982 DeLorean DMC-12
4. 1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth
5. 1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
6. 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo
7. 1971 De Tomaso Pantera
8. 1987 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500
9. 1977 Saab 99 Turbo
10. 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo II
11. 1984 BMW M635CSi
12. 1971 AMC Javelin AMX
13. 1992 GMC Syclone
14. 1988 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R
15. 1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS

No release date on this one yet, hopefully it's soon.

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  • SUPERSUGASUPERSUGA Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The Summer Car Pack is going to be awesome.

    The upcoming car pack is a pretty big let down in comparison. Think it'll be the first I skip out on.

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    This thread title is great.

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  • The ListenerThe Listener Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Quite looking forward to the Summer Jalopnik pack, I'm a sucker for older cars, especially cars that aren't faster than B class.

    I've been also meaning to get to work on putting out stuff for the storefront, but I've been strapped for inspiration. Sadly, the thing for me that has sold the most, is a simple blue Michigan licence plate.

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  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Can't wait for the Lancia 037.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I can see many all-DeLorean races coming up.

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I can see many all-DeLorean races coming up.

    Which is perfect, because I'm never on the road... no sense needing them.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    on thusday I think I might go the cheap route and use a Ferrari 360 since I have one in my garage (I think it got sent to VIPs?)

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  • MegaPureiboiMegaPureiboi Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Got mine tuned and with a horrible paint job as usual.

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  • acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I can see many all-DeLorean races coming up.

    I'm going to tune one to top out at 141.622kph.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I find it hilarious that the remnants of the DeLorean production line got bought by fucking BigLots. That's the punchline of the whole thing right there.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Daedalus wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that the remnants of the DeLorean production line got bought by fucking BigLots. That's the punchline of the whole thing right there.
    I did not know this. That's pretty damn great. BigLots. :lol:

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  • rtsrts Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So you really like the Nurburgring GP track? My buddies and I haven't picked it up because it didn't seem like it would be worthwhile.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It's good if you run multiplayer races a lot.

    Otherwise, it's kind of pointless.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Is Nurburgring the one that has a reaaaaaaaally long straightaway in the back?

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  • JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    yes

    its the one where you're in a forest, on a narrow road covered in chalk or paint notes

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    But I'm talking about the Nurburgring GP circuit, which is a modern race track with all the safety runoffs and grandstands.

    It's a pretty technical track, has some really painful corners. But some really awesome straights.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I have a bad feeling that cars like the F430, F40 and Murcialago are going to tear ass around the track and just dominate

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think it will still be interesting.. the two Ferraris will be running on stock tires, where any of the B class or lower will easily be able to afford slicks. I'm not sure how the Murcialago will fit in, it weighs 4000 pounds yet has AWD. It'll be interesting at any rate.

    I seem to recall doing a race like this in Forza 2, with a similar grid. The F40 looked the best on paper, but wasn't very competitive due to the fact it's so close to the PI limit already.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm sticking with my 360. But thats because I already tuned and painted it :P

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    case in point I took my tuned 360 around Sunset Peninsula and after 6 laps my best time was 1.40.08

    I went and raced a stock F340 and on the second lap ran a 1.38.293

    and thats without a transmission upgrade.


    I'm not exactly quaking in my boots though since I'm sure everyone will just crash all the time like normal :D

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    xzzy wrote: »
    I think it will still be interesting.. the two Ferraris will be running on stock tires, where any of the B class or lower will easily be able to afford slicks. I'm not sure how the Murcialago will fit in, it weighs 4000 pounds yet has AWD. It'll be interesting at any rate.

    I seem to recall doing a race like this in Forza 2, with a similar grid. The F40 looked the best on paper, but wasn't very competitive due to the fact it's so close to the PI limit already.

    Yeah, I was looking pretty hard at picking up the 84 GTO. 2500 lbs, 400 hp, and 120 PI to play with.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm driving the GTO just because it's the best damn looking car in the past 30 years.

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Every time I've tried the Murcielago, or any Lamborghini, they redefined understeer. If anyone shows up in one, I'll be impressed if they can keep up.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think that's a side effect of putting an enormous engine in the rear and building the front half of the car out of balsa wood.

    Their AWD offerings drive pretty decent, at least compared to RWD Lamborghinis, but they've never been known for handling.

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  • VedicIntentVedicIntent Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I went ahead and bought the cr450k Mercedes a few days ago because it looks so beautiful, so I'm a bit short on cash and feeling the pain. The 355 I picked up isn't awful, but definitely not among my best A-class rigs by any stretch - I figure I'm gonna get destroyed by anything decent (and way out of my price range currently). I've been running it through Nurburgring since that's my polishing course for final tunes, and I can't get within even 5 seconds of my Merc CL65 or Alfa Brera times, my two best A-classes.

    Compared to those cars, I seem to be able to only choose two between equal speed, handling, or grip. Again, it's no awful, but I'm a perfectionist. And super competitive. :P

    I'm thinking of just tuning up my California since I know it's a solid car and I have zero time to fundraise let alone tune up another rig...but I picked the 355 because it's the closest thing to the Rad Racer car, and I don't want it to suck. :cry:

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Doesn't help that the Murc has tires that are 3.5" wider in the rear, either.

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I just want a race where we use some sort of Saleen. Gotta have dem superchargers whining.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'll probably do an American race soonish.

    We need to give Japanese cars some love too, I always forget about them. I do hate ricers, but it's unfair to ignore a large portion of the game's car selection.

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Ricer vs Ammurkah?

    It'd be similar to what we did with the Elans and Chevelles, but modernized.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Yeah, that sounds like it might work.

    I'll sort out the details later.

    Does Saleen count as a "tuner" shop? Because I could do something like US tuners versus Japan tuners.

    edit - bonus points to anyone who recreates Vin Diesel's ride from F&F.

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Which one?
    Man, I wish we could have huge blowers sticking out of the hood. I'd be all over that Charger.

    Maybe we should just do a "The Fast and the Furious" night, where we take any car from the movies and use it to a certain PI.

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Your dad's Jetta isn't gonna cut it.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    so I have the nurburgring GP track downloaded. I'm gonna practice before the race so I dont get killed

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Who races a fucking Volkswagen against an S2000 with "Over $100,000 in it" anyways?

    In any case, I've got my car, and I'll download the GP track tonight.
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    <3 Diablos.

    edit: Xzzy, if we do the "tuner company vs. tuner company" thing, it's just going to be Saleen against MINE'S. I'd prefer a wider field of cars.

    edit edit: I ran a 1:32.9 on Sunset after 4 laps D: You might not do too well, Bast.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I wish all the tuned cars from Forza 2 returned. Like the Hennessey Viper or the Lingenfelter Corvette. I had that fucker up to like 1100HP

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010

    edit edit: I ran a 1:32.9 on Sunset after 4 laps D: You might not do too well, Bast.


    see the point I was making was that the 430 and Murcialago have such a huge HP advantage. But now I'm thinking maybe Sunset Peninsula wasnt the best example track since theres not really any technical corners and theres a lot of straights.

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Highest I've had a car is something with the 540 Mopar Hemi swapped into it. Makes 1,069hp maximum, which is still hilarious with AWD. "What, you want to get to 120 in the time it takes others to get to 60? I can do that!"

    edit: Well, pick a track and I'll run it with the Diablo. We can compare times on something more technical.

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    alright I ran a few laps on Bugatti circuit @ le mans and got a 1.48

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  • 0Replace4Displace0Replace4Displace The best girls are ships and guns. Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Hokay, one sec.

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