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Supernatural is a drama/horror television series about brothers Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean Winchester (Jensen Ackles) who travel around Vancouver the US saving people and hunting evil things like ghosts and demons. Along the way they meet some crazy new enemies and allies and nearly every female character dies. Classic rock plays throughout.
It airs on the CW on Wednesdays at 9 PM Eastern.
Current Season: 8
Last Episode: 8.19 Taxi Driver
Next Episode: 8.20 Pac-Man Fever
The Road So Far:
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Season 5
Season 6
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Supernatural is a drama/horror television series about brothers Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean Winchester (Jensen Ackles) who travel around Vancouver the US saving people and hunting evil things like ghosts and demons. Along the way they meet some crazy new enemies and allies and nearly every female character dies. Classic rock plays throughout.
It airs on the CW on Wednesdays at 9 PM Eastern.
Current Season: 8
Last Episode: 8.19 Taxi Driver
Next Episode: 8.20 Pac-Man Fever
The Road So Far:
Season 1
Brothers Sam and Dean Winchester team up to find their father, John, who went missing on a hunting trip. However, their father isn't a typical hunter: he hunts supernatural creatures like ghosts, vampires, and various demons and he's trained his sons to do the same. Along the way, Sam and Dean save innocent people, fight creatures and ghosts, and collect clues to their father's whereabouts. Sam begins to mysteriously develop psychic abilities and visions as they travel. They eventually find their father, who reveals that the creature that killed Sam and Dean's mother years earlier is a yellow-eyed demon and the only thing that can kill him is a legendary gun created by Samuel Colt.
Episode List:
1.01 Pilot
1.02 Wendigo
1.03 Dead in the Water
1.04 Phantom Traveler
1.05 Bloody Mary
1.06 Skin
1.07 Hookman
1.08 Bugs
1.09 Home
1.10 Asylum
1.11 Scarecrow
1.12 Faith
1.13 Route 666
1.14 Nightmare
1.15 The Benders
1.16 Shadow
1.17 Hell House
1.18 Something Wicked
1.19 Provenance
1.20 Dead Man's Blood
1.21 Salvation
1.22 Devil's Trap
Episode List:
1.01 Pilot
1.02 Wendigo
1.03 Dead in the Water
1.04 Phantom Traveler
1.05 Bloody Mary
1.06 Skin
1.07 Hookman
1.08 Bugs
1.09 Home
1.10 Asylum
1.11 Scarecrow
1.12 Faith
1.13 Route 666
1.14 Nightmare
1.15 The Benders
1.16 Shadow
1.17 Hell House
1.18 Something Wicked
1.19 Provenance
1.20 Dead Man's Blood
1.21 Salvation
1.22 Devil's Trap
Season 2
Sam and Dean deal with their father's death and continue to hunt the yellow-eyed demon with assistance from new allies Ellen, Jo, and Ash. Part of the demon's plan is revealed as he gathers Sam and others like him, leading to Sam dying. Dean makes a deal with a crossroads demon to bring back Sam in exchange for his soul, which will be collected in one year. In a final confrontation, in which Dean kills the yellow-eyed demon, a hell's gate is opened, releasing numerous demons from within.
Episode List:
2.01 In My Time Of Dying
2.02 Everybody Loves a Clown
2.03 Bloodlust
2.04 Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things
2.05 Simon Said
2.06 No Exit
2.07 The Usual Suspects
2.08 Crossroad Blues
2.09 Croatoan
2.10 Hunted
2.11 Playthings
2.12 Nightshifter
2.13 Houses of the Holy
2.14 Born Under a Bad Sign
2.15 Tall Tales
2.16 Roadkill
2.17 Heart
2.18 Hollywood Babylon
2.19 Folsom Prison Blues
2.20 What Is and What Should Never Be
2.21 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part One
2.22 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part Two
Episode List:
2.01 In My Time Of Dying
2.02 Everybody Loves a Clown
2.03 Bloodlust
2.04 Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things
2.05 Simon Said
2.06 No Exit
2.07 The Usual Suspects
2.08 Crossroad Blues
2.09 Croatoan
2.10 Hunted
2.11 Playthings
2.12 Nightshifter
2.13 Houses of the Holy
2.14 Born Under a Bad Sign
2.15 Tall Tales
2.16 Roadkill
2.17 Heart
2.18 Hollywood Babylon
2.19 Folsom Prison Blues
2.20 What Is and What Should Never Be
2.21 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part One
2.22 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part Two
Season 3
Sam tries to save Dean from his deal while they track down the demons that were released from the gate. Along the way, the brothers meet a demon named Ruby who has an interest in Sam and claims to be able to help save Dean. Also, they meet Bela Talbot, an "acquirer" and seller of occult objects and constant thorn in their side. The brothers eventually learn what demon holds Dean's contract: Lilith. They, along with Ruby, track her down and attempt to kill her. Lilith is unable to stop Sam due to his mysterious abilities, however, Dean's contract expires and his soul is taken to hell.
Episode List:
3.01 The Magnificent Seven
3.02 The Kids Are Alright
3.03 Bad Day at Black Rock
3.04 Sin City
3.05 Bedtime Stories
3.06 Red Sky At Morning
3.07 Fresh Blood
3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas
3.09 Malleus Maleficarum
3.10 Dream a Little Dream of Me
3.11 Mystery Spot
3.12 Jus in Bello
3.13 Ghostfacers
3.14 Long-Distance Call
3.15 Time Is On My Side
3.16 No Rest For The Wicked
Episode List:
3.01 The Magnificent Seven
3.02 The Kids Are Alright
3.03 Bad Day at Black Rock
3.04 Sin City
3.05 Bedtime Stories
3.06 Red Sky At Morning
3.07 Fresh Blood
3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas
3.09 Malleus Maleficarum
3.10 Dream a Little Dream of Me
3.11 Mystery Spot
3.12 Jus in Bello
3.13 Ghostfacers
3.14 Long-Distance Call
3.15 Time Is On My Side
3.16 No Rest For The Wicked
Season 4
Dean is rescued from hell by an angel named Castiel; one of many angels that appear throughout the season. The brothers work with him to stop Lilith's plan of breaking the 66 seals, which would allow Lucifer to walk free. Sam and Dean's relationship is strained as Sam starts siding with Ruby over Dean. He also begins to give into his demonic side by drinking demon blood to become strong enough to defeat Lilith. After tracking down and killing Lilith, Sam learns that her death is actually the last seal and that Ruby was deceiving him all along. Dean arrives too late to stop him, but kills Ruby as Lucifer's prison opens up beneath them.
Episode List:
4.01 Lazarus Rising
4.02 Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
4.03 In The Beginning
4.04 Metamorphosis
4.05 Monster Movie
4.06 Yellow Fever
4.07 It's The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
4.08 Wishful Thinking
4.09 I Know What You Did Last Summer
4.10 Heaven And Hell
4.11 Family Remains
4.12 Criss Angel Is A Douchebag
4.13 After School Special
4.14 Sex And Violence
4.15 Death Takes A Holiday
4.16 On The Head Of A Pin
4.17 It's A Terrible Life
4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book
4.19 Jump The Shark
4.20 The Rapture
4.21 When The Levee Breaks
4.22 Lucifer Rising
Episode List:
4.01 Lazarus Rising
4.02 Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
4.03 In The Beginning
4.04 Metamorphosis
4.05 Monster Movie
4.06 Yellow Fever
4.07 It's The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
4.08 Wishful Thinking
4.09 I Know What You Did Last Summer
4.10 Heaven And Hell
4.11 Family Remains
4.12 Criss Angel Is A Douchebag
4.13 After School Special
4.14 Sex And Violence
4.15 Death Takes A Holiday
4.16 On The Head Of A Pin
4.17 It's A Terrible Life
4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book
4.19 Jump The Shark
4.20 The Rapture
4.21 When The Levee Breaks
4.22 Lucifer Rising
Season 5
The brothers fight to stop Lucifer and save the world from the Apocalypse. Dean and Sam battle angels and demons as they fight their destiny to become the vessels of Michael and Lucifer. Unable to defeat Lucifer, they collect the rings of the Four Horsemen, which act as the keys to Lucifer's prison. The idea of destiny versus freedom and choice play a big role. Throughout the season, Dean, Sam, Castiel, and Bobby each have a crisis as they near giving up. However, through each other's support, they continue forward until the end.
Episode List:
5.01 Sympathy For The Devil
5.02 Good God Y'All
5.03 Free To Be You And Me
5.04 The End
5.05 Fallen Idols
5.06 I Believe The Children Are Our Future
5.07 The Curious Case Of Dean Winchester
5.08 Changing Channels
5.09 The Real Ghostbusters
5.10 Abandon All Hope
5.11 Sam, Interrupted
5.12 Swap Meat
5.13 The Song Remains The Same
5.14 My Bloody Valentine
5.15 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid
5.16 Dark Side Of The Moon
5.17 99 Problems
5.18 Point Of No Return
5.19 Hammer Of The Gods
5.20 The Devil You Know
5.21 Two Minutes To Midnight
5.22 Swan Song
Episode List:
5.01 Sympathy For The Devil
5.02 Good God Y'All
5.03 Free To Be You And Me
5.04 The End
5.05 Fallen Idols
5.06 I Believe The Children Are Our Future
5.07 The Curious Case Of Dean Winchester
5.08 Changing Channels
5.09 The Real Ghostbusters
5.10 Abandon All Hope
5.11 Sam, Interrupted
5.12 Swap Meat
5.13 The Song Remains The Same
5.14 My Bloody Valentine
5.15 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid
5.16 Dark Side Of The Moon
5.17 99 Problems
5.18 Point Of No Return
5.19 Hammer Of The Gods
5.20 The Devil You Know
5.21 Two Minutes To Midnight
5.22 Swan Song
Season 6
A year passed since Sam went to hell. Dean attempted to live a civilian life, until Sam mysteriously returns without his soul. It takes Dean bargaining with Death to get it back. Castiel, desperate and at war with Raphael, forges an uneasy alliance with Crowley to open Purgatory and steal the souls for power. The brothers try to stop Castiel but he refuses to listen and instead removes the wall in Sam's head that was keeping back his memories of hell. In the end, Castiel takes in all the souls and kills Raphael. He declares himself the new God and commands Sam, Dean and Bobby to bow down before him and worship him.
Episode List:
6.01 Exile on Main Street
6.02 Two and a Half Men
6.03 The Third Man
6.04 Weekend at Bobby's
6.05 Live Free or Twi Hard
6.06 You Can't Handle the Truth
6.07 Family Matters
6.08 All Dogs go to Heaven
6.09 Clap Your Hands if You Believe
6.10 Caged Heat
6.11 Appointment in Samarra
6.12 Like a Virgin
6.13 Unforgiven
6.14 Mannequin 3: The Reckoning
6.15 The French Mistake
6.16 And Then There Were None
6.17 My Heart Will Go On
6.18 Frontierland
6.19 Mommy Dearest
6.20 The Man Who Would Be King
6.21 Let It Bleed
6.22 The Man Who Knew Too Much
Episode List:
6.01 Exile on Main Street
6.02 Two and a Half Men
6.03 The Third Man
6.04 Weekend at Bobby's
6.05 Live Free or Twi Hard
6.06 You Can't Handle the Truth
6.07 Family Matters
6.08 All Dogs go to Heaven
6.09 Clap Your Hands if You Believe
6.10 Caged Heat
6.11 Appointment in Samarra
6.12 Like a Virgin
6.13 Unforgiven
6.14 Mannequin 3: The Reckoning
6.15 The French Mistake
6.16 And Then There Were None
6.17 My Heart Will Go On
6.18 Frontierland
6.19 Mommy Dearest
6.20 The Man Who Would Be King
6.21 Let It Bleed
6.22 The Man Who Knew Too Much
Official Site
SPN Wiki
Official twitter
Jared Padalecki's twitter (Sam)
Jim Beaver's twitter (Bobby)
Misha Collins's twitter (Castiel)
Richard Speight Jr's twitter (Gabriel)
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I mean...if it works on one it'd work on the other, I'm assuming.
Like I said in the last thread, they seem to have a particular hard-on for following the prophecy to the letter. IE, they probably could wipe Lucifer out with little issue if they'd just all group together and do so, but they're so narrow-minded, they can't even comprehend of taking him down any other way than with a Dean-suit.
This said, I wonder if this week's ending
I'm not sure if this has been raised before, but why hasn't Michael tried to take on Lucifer in a vessel other than Dean? We've already seen him ride papa Winchester in that ridiculous terminator episode, why not just jump back into the future and take him on in that state?
Well, I think it WILL remove the need for Michael and Lucifer to fight...for now. I mean, technically all they'd be doing is delaying the apocalypse. I mean, if the cage could be opened once, it'll be opened again.
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This series has had far too little Michael and far too many scenes of
the actual answer, as we all know, is that the writers can't allow that to happen
the powers of the various celestial/infernal creatures vary wildly from situation to situation, by the whim of narrative convenience
you can't really try to draw a conclusion from any premises using past events in the show, because they don't really care about creating a consistent world
because you can't, if you are talking about angels and demons and pagan gods and vampires and ghosts and time travel and horsemen of the apocalypse and god and satan and indian folklore and etc.
there is no reason to even attempt to apply logic here, because literally every scenario and entity is constructed entirely for narrative convenience in that particular moment.
the end goal of that being ridiculously good looking brothers wisecracking as they punch demons
Remember the Christmas Pagan Gods? They pretty much said they became weaker as fewer people believed in them.
That's those gods, I doubt thats universal, THE God has quite clearly been significantly more powerful than anything else for...ever, Lucifer is uber powerful without belief and after having been locked away for a long time and God created him therefore God must be more powerful. Plus all the higher ups seem to be able to literally warp time, space and reality.
The other pagan gods probably fall into the same category if they're so much weaker than even angels.
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-Sera Gamble tells me that Dean's looming face-off with Death is hands-down one of my favorite scenes in the history of the show. Ausiello
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-Sera Gamble: "We're leading up to the big Death Match between Lucifer and Michael, which would cause the destruction of half the planet...Sam and Dean, of course, are trying to throw a wrench in the works but these are the most powerful beings they've ever been up against, so their odds aren't great. Sam comes up with an incredibly risky Hail Mary to defeat Lucifer, which involves spending some very creepy, violent one-on-one time with the guy. Terrible for Sam, but pretty damn fun to watch." Ausiello
-Lucifer seeks “revenge on God for betraying him by annihilating God’s primary love—people. And let’s put it this way: You should definitely expect some pretty crazy bloodletting.” TV Guide Magazine
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Oh and what was that song from the promo? I like me some of that.
Honestly, the four horseman have been fairly disappointing in general.
I mean, famine:
I'm hoping we get to see something impressive from Pestilence and Death, because so far, the apocalypse hasn't been very...apocalyptic.
And All I can really imagine when I see Death from that Trailer is Jay-Z playing in the background. I mean, it just screams "Dirt off your shoulder"
Well, it could also be that all the other previous Gods are gods of aspects of something. They've had forest gods, gods of destruction etc etc, while the judeo-christian god is simply THE God in the story. He isn't the God of this region, or the God of angry kittens, he's just...God.
Famine was pretty much killing everyone in that town. That entire diner died just by him getting near it. As for the apocalypse not being very apocalyptic, the show has a small town feel. We're seeing the beginning of the apocalypse from that perspective. Episode 4, "The End", showed what the full-fledged apocalypse would look like.
Maybe I just view the show differently, but I haven't been disappointed at all this season, except for maybe the sparring appearances of Lucifer and the kids messing with black magic episode. I've really enjoyed all three Horsemen episodes so far (If we count Death's Zombie raising episode).
I enjoyed War's episode, and I loved the Whore of Babylon, those were great...but in my opinion it just keeps feeling like the boys are getting through them too easily.
I think they did. But after War's red Mustang, there's not a whole lot of horse-themed muscle cars. Famine's was a little off (the color was fine, but an Escalade?), but Pestilence's beat up pale green hatchback fits really well and Death's
I was just expecting classic stuff like the boys, Pestilence's fits but the muscle cars are gorgeous. Deaths of course is awesome because its the 'pale horse'
I think I would honestly be alright if afters season six sam and dean both die and the ghostfacers become the new hunters on the block, especially since like every other hunter out there is all but dead at this point.
They're the Jar Jar of Supernatural.
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As far as the webseries goes, I'll probably watch it just to see how it is, but I'm not terribly excited about it.
I'm pretty sure the other pagan gods are more powerful than angels, but less powerful than archangels. And, if we take into context that faith makes them stronger, it makes some amount of sense. Kali was easily the strongest of the pagan gods present at the meeting, but the archangels were stronger for the simple fact that if we count ALL of the Abrahamic religions together, they far out number members of every other religion, including Hinduism. There are nearly 4 billion people who count themselves as a member of one of the Abramhamic religions, nearly 2/3s of the population of Earth. It'd make sense that Yhwh is THE God and his four lieutenants are, therefore, the four most powerful creatures in existence if faith is, indeed, what gives gods their power.
Or we can just say that Supernatural is a modern American Gothic show that takes place primarily in Middle America, so therefore, the Abrahamic faiths (Specifically, Christianity) are the primary religions.
In other news, I was thinking about the season 6 premise. I believe someone said in the last thread that the overarching plot would be 'finding someone.'
Logically, if you're finding someone, then they aren't around. This would mean it would be pretty sucky if the person to be found was Castiel or Bobby, because they are awesome and should be on the show as often as possible.
However, consider this: What if the person they're finding is their father? I know, I know, he's in heaven... but they have said no one can find him there. John Winchester was stubborn enough to tear his way out of hell, I would buy it if he couldn't sit still and be dead in heaven for long. More importantly, it would give way to an awesome JDM cameo by the season 6 finale, which would be fantastic. And way cooler than a series regular being MIA.
Plus, it'd be all symmetrical and whatnot.
And, a shit-ton of people do believe in Lucifer- pretty much every Christian in the world believes in his existence. If we're going with belief=power, then I can buy Lucifer being able to take on Kali, since there are more Christians than Hindus. But, she had enough power to take a real shot at him, and to survive the confrontation. The other pagan gods are much weaker, since very few people believe in their existence anymore (other than Ganesh, I guess).
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Maybe Yahweh started off as a local god in the middle east, but as he gathered followers, his power grew. Through accidents of history, he ended up as the top god on the planet.
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I doubt it, since that would center the show more around Lucifer encountering difficulties in his plan rather than the boys themselves causing difficulties or trying to come to terms with the Apocalypse.
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Shiva is not more violently capable than Kali. Indeed, the only way he could defeat her in the mythology is in a dance-off (I'm serious). It is also worth noting that in some traditions kali is an aspect of Shiva, so the question is a little moot.
As if all the Pagan Gods where Earth-bound having their own slice of the populus that worshiped them in their own little area.
Then these celestial non-earthbounds showed up on the Scene.
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Eh, considering how rabid some of the female fan base gets whenever one of the boys shows even the slightest interest in a woman, not really surprising they'd write out most of the women.
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And ya know, shes spent actual time with her
To be fair, they kill pretty much anything that isn't human. They have been killing "pagan" gods since season 1. It's just that this episode's pagan gods were actually well know. They've also killed demons and angels, and, at this point, I'm pretty sure Dean would try to kill "God" if he got the chance.
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