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Yakuza Tattoos

SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG!Registered User regular
edited July 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey there guys!

I want to get a tattoo, not a full body one, but one like this:

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Thing is, I can't find a higher resolution version of the original pic;

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or more examples of this style of tattoos. Basically the arms/shoulders being covered only. Anyone have good sources or some tips?

There's a tattoo expo coming to my city, but it's until November, so it's still some time away. The good thing is they have actual Japanese tattoo artists come over, that even use the traditional technique.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Hey there guys!

    I want to get a tattoo, not a full body one, but one like this:

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    Thing is, I can't find a higher resolution version of the original pic;

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    or more examples of this style of tattoos. Basically the arms/shoulders being covered only. Anyone have good sources or some tips?

    There's a tattoo expo coming to my city, but it's until November, so it's still some time away. The good thing is they have actual Japanese tattoo artists come over, that even use the traditional technique.

    You're not going to get something this big and detailed at a "show".

    Have you ever been tattooed before? How much do you want to spend? Traditional Japanese tattooing is going to be VERY expensive. VERY EXPENSIVE. The average rate per hour for an "average" artist is around $125-$150 an hour nowadays. For good to excellent work, expect to spend $175-$250 an hour.

    Go around to different shops and look through portfolios and find someone in your city who does good Asian work. Make an appointment for a consultation. Do not ever, ever, ever get a tattoo at a place that will accept you as a walk in.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Oh! Of course I wasn't going to get tattooed at the show! It's an obvious rush job there. My sister is covered in tattoos, so she's given me pretty good info, but she doesn't know much about the Japanese style, and well there's still the detail of somebody hopefully having a higher-res version of the picture I posted.

    Much thanks for the tips, I had been told something along the lines of having to wait up to 6 months for an appointment. :)

    Oh, I don't have any tattoos.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Oh, you want examples of work...

    Here ya go.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yes! Thank you very much for that.

    Still need a higher res of the image in the OP if someone else has that! :)

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Yes! Thank you very much for that.

    Still need a higher res of the image in the OP if someone else has that! :)

    You're going to see a lot of tattoos in that pattern. Don't copy the tattoo exactly. I'm sure whoever you have do it will be able to put a personal spin on it.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I'm not sure if you've done any research on this, but you should probably be aware of the cultural background this type of tattoo has - especially if you plan on ever going to Japan.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah. That.

    You'd better be really certain what those things mean.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, be very sure you know what they mean when you get em.

    I've seen suburban white kids with russian/polish style prison tattoos. The kind that have to be earned (sort of). They don't carry them well at all, and when you ask why they have a spade or stars on their chest/knees, they thought they looked nice.

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  • FeatherBladeFeatherBlade Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It'll be lovely as long as you never try to go into a public bath house in Japan.
    They won't let you in if you have a tattoo.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It'll be lovely as long as you never try to go into a public bath house in Japan.
    They won't let you in if you have a tattoo.

    This, among other reasons, is why I would advise against him getting one of these tattoos.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I'm not planning on having the full back tattoo, just the shoulder "pads". The exact design while is nice, like you've said, isn't something I'd like to copy. I've seen so many people with the exact same tattoos as each other. (Like that goddamn swallow every girl wants to have)

    I've been to Japan, and will most probably go back, but I don't exactly plan to go around shirtless.

    Edit: Also, reading around, from what I gather, just having any kind of tattoo will cause disgust in Japan in select locations.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    I'm not planning on having the full back tattoo, just the shoulder "pads". The exact design while is nice, like you've said, isn't something I'd like to copy. I've seen so many people with the exact same tattoos as each other. (Like that goddamn swallow every girl wants to have)

    I've been to Japan, and will most probably go back, but I don't exactly plan to go around shirtless.

    Well, there's a huge difference between traditional Asian work and things like Sailor Jerry swallows. The swallows are "flash art" and aren't meant to be precious snowflakes of tattoos. They're part of a very old American tradition. That's the charm of them I guess.

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  • FeatherBladeFeatherBlade Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Edit: Also, reading around, from what I gather, just having any kind of tattoo will cause disgust in Japan in select locations.

    Yes. Those select locations would be "most of them".

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Edit: Also, reading around, from what I gather, just having any kind of tattoo will cause disgust in Japan in select locations.

    Yes. Those select locations would be "most of them".

    Hell, if someone tried to plant a "Schoolgirl Panties" vending machine in the States, I don't think it would go over too well. It's all relative.

    Don't let the "offensive in Japan" bit bother you, especially if it's going to be kept hidden.

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  • strebaliciousstrebalicious Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Meh, I get maybe some dirty looks. Most looks I get are more of the curious "look at that guy" type. Wouldn't say I've gotten any disgust over mine. Granted, I've only been out to a few places in Japan, but they range from small to fucktardedly huge.

    Just for the record, I have 4 tattoos on my leg, 4 on my arms, and one on each foot. All of them are clearly visible in my chosen attire: shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops.

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  • DarksierDarksier Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Oh man we had a Kendo sensei from Japan visit our dojo one week and in the changing room he saw one of our senior students full back tattoo (Japanese styled). We all just hear an old sensei gasp followed by a "OHhhh...who did this to you!" Didn't stick around to see what happened next, but apparently he got lectured about the yakuza and what the tattoos represent. It's a very nice looking tattoo. He had it done over the course of several years due to cost/time.

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Most people in Japan won't give you any guff for your tattoo if you're obviously a foreigner, although if it's in traditional Japanese style it might set someone off (likely some old guy).

    Regardless of the style, most hot springs/bathhouses won't be letting you in, and you won't be getting a job at most traditional/conservative businesses in Japan (my friend's Japanese wife just lost her job because the doctor saw her small non-Japanese ankle tattoo during a routine physical), but other than that it really ain't no thang.

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  • SeanronSeanron GlasgowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Also, reading around, from what I gather, just having any kind of tattoo will cause disgust in Japan in select locations.

    Lol, yeah, doesn't need to be yakuza-styled to get peculiar looks in the land of the Rising Sun.

    The second time we went there, my pal and I were getting the JR Line to shinjuku, and it being warmer than a sand-toads nads, I was wearing apair of baggy skate shorts and a t-shirt. I have quite a few tattoos, my most prominent being a tattoo of the Robot Devil from Futurama on my right leg. I'm telling you, the looks that my leg got from an old couple sitting across from us was quite peculiar.

    On the flipside, a bunch of japanese girls in akihabara found my tattoos amazing and trailed us for about an hour before wanting to pose for pics. Go figure :)

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Houk wrote: »
    my friend's Japanese wife just lost her job because the doctor saw her small non-Japanese ankle tattoo during a routine physical), but other than that it really ain't no thang.

    how does this even work?

    was it a company checkup? Or did her own doctor contact the place she worked in?

    I'm confuzzled

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  • Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Seanron wrote: »
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Also, reading around, from what I gather, just having any kind of tattoo will cause disgust in Japan in select locations.

    Lol, yeah, doesn't need to be yakuza-styled to get peculiar looks in the land of the Rising Sun.

    The second time we went there, my pal and I were getting the JR Line to shinjuku, and it being warmer than a sand-toads nads, I was wearing apair of baggy skate shorts and a t-shirt. I have quite a few tattoos, my most prominent being a tattoo of the Robot Devil from Futurama on my right leg. I'm telling you, the looks that my leg got from an old couple sitting across from us was quite peculiar.

    On the flipside, a bunch of japanese girls in akihabara found my tattoos amazing and trailed us for about an hour before wanting to pose for pics. Go figure :)

    You can get into the hot springs and such if the tattoos are covered. I have 3 tattoos (foot, Shoulder, shoulder.) Every time I go to the onsens I toss on some bandages or wear a rash guard. When they ask about it I just say I have a tatoo and I didn't want to be rude by exposing it. Normally this is enough. Granted mine are not much bigger than playing cards. Something like the OP would get you the big old cross arm X

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Meh, I get maybe some dirty looks. Most looks I get are more of the curious "look at that guy" type. Wouldn't say I've gotten any disgust over mine. Granted, I've only been out to a few places in Japan, but they range from small to fucktardedly huge.

    Just for the record, I have 4 tattoos on my leg, 4 on my arms, and one on each foot. All of them are clearly visible in my chosen attire: shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops.

    People understand that Gaijin tattoos are not to be taken seriously. Still you're more than a little thick if you want to get a "yakuza" tattoo.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    The rule is that for every square inch of tattoos, you have to have to grow your pompadour out another inch. Are you willing to carry that weight on your shoulders?

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Perception of the tattoo in Japan itself aside, those tattoos have a very significant meaning to the people the OP is trying to copy. It's more than a little disrespectful to trivialize that meaning by getting one "because it looks cool".

    I appreciate that others may not find this disrespectful, but it's something to at least keep in mind.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Enc wrote: »
    The rule is that for every square inch of tattoos, you have to have to grow your pompadour out another inch. Are you willing to carry that weight on your shoulders?

    If the weight is on your shoulders, its not a pompadour

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Enc wrote: »
    The rule is that for every square inch of tattoos, you have to have to grow your pompadour out another inch. Are you willing to carry that weight on your shoulders?

    If the weight is on your shoulders, its not a pompadour

    The truly righteous pomp requires sufficient brace work to hold it aloft.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    heh they even have signs signaling this
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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Nostregar wrote: »
    Perception of the tattoo in Japan itself aside, those tattoos have a very significant meaning to the people the OP is trying to copy. It's more than a little disrespectful to trivialize that meaning by getting one "because it looks cool".

    I appreciate that others may not find this disrespectful, but it's something to at least keep in mind.

    Significant meaning to the Yakuza, no less.

    I also like the style, personally, but there's way too much history and culture behind it, plus it's extremely expensive.

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  • BelruelBelruel NARUTO FUCKS Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    stylistically they are absolutely beautiful, but as others have said, those are deep waters my friend.

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    heh they even have signs signaling this
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    No widow's peaks allowed!

    No punch perms.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Why not get some Vory tattoos while you're at it?

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Ho ho funny guys.

    I don't live in Japan, or even in the US. I don't hang out with the Japanese mafia and these tattoos are concealed. I can see this being a problem if I'm in Japan at a traditional Japanese wedding and then I decide to rip my shirt off to show my tattoos.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It doesn't matter.

    Those tattoos mean something very important to a specific group of people. By getting one to "look cool", you're trivializing their culture. It's disrespectful.

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Also this smells highly of otakuitis

    Secondly getting a full back tattoo as your first tattoo is the worst idea ever conceived

    I have a half back piece and it was one of the most painful experiences of my life

    I need another tattoo...hmmm...

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hey, here's something practical once you really "complete the look".

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    OP are you just wanting to get this tattoo or are you wanting the full experience by getting it done in Japan by an artist? There are people in Japan that will still do it, but I hope you realize what you're getting into. For a full body yakuza tattoo that does your arms, shoulders, back, and chest (leaving the bit in the middle blank as they traditionally do) it will require weekly visits for around five years. It will also cost around $20,000-35,000.

    That alone should be enough for you not to do it. If that isn't enough you should actually try and find a yakuza to talk to. I met a guy in Japan briefly and he only had his shoulders, arms, and back done so far. The process is not like normal tattooing. If done incorrectly sweat glands in large areas on your body will either shut down or cease working properly. You won't die from it, but it leaves your skin gross and clammy. It can also affect the coloring in your skin.

    I never asked the guy what would happen if a white dude was walking around with these tattoos, but I have a pretty good idea. I wouldn't worry about cement shoes or being killed but they might clip off your right pinky finger at the last joint. Anyway man just start small. Get something on an arm or a shoulder and sit with it for six months and see how you like it.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I think I already stated that I don't want a fully body tattoo, just the shoulders+chest part.

    I like these tattoos because I'm really fond of the art style of old Japanese mythology. When I decided I wanted a tattoo, I always thought I wanted something decorative, like patterns. Not an explicit figure, but patterns, and these patterns really click with me.

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  • AvicusAvicus Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    There are lots of tattoos that have special meaning to a group but people get anyway. An example are tribal tattoos. A full sleeve tribal tat has specific meanings including family your story and the people's history. I know a couple New Zealanders who grew up in a remote Mauri village (then got full scholarships to play Rugby lol) that got them as a right of passage when they were 15. They don't get angry when they see white people with tattoos that are similar. They just say that their tattoo is unique and represents themselves and their culture and other people's tattoos are none of their business.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Avicus wrote: »
    There are lots of tattoos that have special meaning to a group but people get anyway. An example are tribal tattoos. A full sleeve tribal tat has specific meanings including family your story and the people's history. I know a couple New Zealanders who grew up in a remote Mauri village (then got full scholarships to play Rugby lol) that got them as a right of passage when they were 15. They don't get angry when they see white people with tattoos that are similar. They just say that their tattoo is unique and represents themselves and their culture and other people's tattoos are none of their business.

    I still think it's something to take into consideration. Tattoos are a very, very big deal, and if the pros are "looks good" and the cons are "traditional tattoo of Japanese organized crime, looked down upon in certain cultures (Japan isn't the only one, folks), extremely expensive, takes up a large part of the body" you have to be really sure you like the way it looks.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    OP are you just wanting the appearance of a yakuza tat or are you planning on finding an artist in Japan? I'm just curious because I don't think one of those japanese artists would even entertain the thought of doing irezumi on a white guy. I honestly don't think one would even meet with you.

    But any tattoo place in the states would do it though it obviously wouldn't be the traditional way.

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