The thing that bewilders me the most about this gaffe is how it looks from a shareholder perspective. Do they really think that somehow, this will net them more subscribers, more money and more market share? To infuriate customers, especially women, and drive people away from posting on the forums? To introduce the very real risk of a virus or addon with malign code now not only compromising an account, but personal details of the victim that could form a basis for actual, real-life stalking?
It's just staggering. I don't comprehend it at all.
Anyway, this retardation from Blizzard was the last straw in my personal ability to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they can't make their passwords case sensitive, can't put an attempt limit on password tries, cannot manage their phone line, and now cannot manage their forums, the camel's back's gonna break.
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The thing that bewilders me the most about this gaffe is how it looks from a shareholder perspective. Do they really think that somehow, this will net them more subscribers, more money and more market share? To infuriate customers, especially women, and drive people away from posting on the forums? To introduce the very real risk of a virus or addon with malign code now not only compromising an account, but personal details of the victim? Otherwise, to mandate a revelation that could form a basis for actual, real-life stalking?
It's just staggering. I don't comprehend it at all.
This. All of it.
Actually...hmm. You know, I wonder if this ties in at all to the two fairly major fixtures in their CM team who just decided to bail (Eyonix and Ancilorn).
Edit: It was Ancilorn, not Wryxian. Too damned many CMs to keep track of, I tells ya.
Anyway, this retardation from Blizzard was the last straw in my personal ability to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they can't make their passwords case sensitive, can't put an attempt limit on password tries, cannot manage their phone line, and now cannot manage their forums, the camel's back's gonna break.
They do have that, at least for trying to log in to the Battle.NET site. When my fiancee discovered her account had been hacked (lawls) she tried so many email/password combinations that it actually locked our IP address from logging in for a couple of hours.
The thing that bewilders me the most about this gaffe is how it looks from a shareholder perspective. Do they really think that somehow, this will net them more subscribers, more money and more market share? To infuriate customers, especially women, and drive people away from posting on the forums? To introduce the very real risk of a virus or addon with malign code now not only compromising an account, but personal details of the victim? Otherwise, to mandate a revelation that could form a basis for actual, real-life stalking?
It's just staggering. I don't comprehend it at all.
This. All of it.
Actually...hmm. You know, I wonder if this ties in at all to the two fairly major fixtures in their CM team who just decided to bail (Eyonix and Wryxian).
That makes it hilarious, if true.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
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Eyonix left? When?
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
How does something like this get past legal? It instantly sets off alarm bells and for every moment you take to think about the possible implications you come up with more and more reasons it's a bad idea.
It just smacks of something they decided to do without first thinking about it for even a moment. Someone just said it in a meeting and the other guys went "YEAH! GREAT IDEA BOB!" and then they high fived and retired for an evening of swimming in the money pool.
How does something like this get past legal? It instantly sets off alarm bells and for every moment you take to think about the possible implications you come up with more and more reasons it's a bad idea.
It just smacks of something they decided to do without first thinking about it for even a moment. Someone just said it in a meeting and the other guys went "YEAH! GREAT IDEA BOB!" and then they high fived and retired for an evening of swimming in the money pool.
You probably agree to let them do whatever they want with the information you choose to give them when you open the account/agree to patch terms or whatever.
I guess this will really suck for people who'd rather not have that information put out there but would like to post asking for tech support at some point. It's weird because usually we're quite divided on most issues (see: the discussion on this a week or whatever ago) but people seem pretty unified in finding all this a bit stupid. I have a friend who's been e-stalked before (which eventually turned into actual stalking) who posts on the WoW forums quite a lot who's saying that they're basically making them unusable for her because she could be endangering herself by using them, so I guess it kind of sucks to put someone in that position where they can't continue to do something they enjoy for no real reason (that I can see, anyway).
Are they trying to make b.net like a Facebook for gamers (I hate referring to us all as if sharing one hobby makes us some sort of collective), or something along those lines? The way they're talking about it is as if they're looking at some bigger picture.
We put a lot of thought into this change and have a long-term vision for the Real ID service and wanted to make sure that we communicated ahead of time and very clearly as to what will be changing and how
They're getting to be worse than Facebook when it comes to personal privacy. I've disabled Real ID and won't be using anything that requires it.
unfortunately it's coded to you at all times and a simple addon /script has already been made to view all other players realID information regardless of their settings
Please don't keep spreading this mistruth. There is no such script.
Addons do have access to your real name, but there's no way for other players to see it unless the addon is specifically designed to broadcast that data. It would be a maliciously designed addon, not some innocent fault that can be exploited. There is no exploit, there is no flaw; you just have to be careful what addons you install, like you should always have been. The script you saw posted on the Blizzard forums just demonstrates that your real name is locally available to addons, not that you can somehow view other people's names.
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How does something like this get past legal? It instantly sets off alarm bells and for every moment you take to think about the possible implications you come up with more and more reasons it's a bad idea. .
Because the system can be disabled. I imagine you can't use any of its perks as a result.
Are they trying to make b.net like a Facebook for gamers (I hate referring to us all as if sharing one hobby makes us some sort of collective), or something along those lines? The way they're talking about it is as if they're looking at some bigger picture.
So, are you going to get people you went to school with and haven't spoken to since messaging you out of the blue to tank their dungeon or help them with their Zerg build orders? I don't really understand what they're hoping to achieve with this.
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BeezelThere was no agreement little morsel..Registered Userregular
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Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
How does something like this get past legal? It instantly sets off alarm bells and for every moment you take to think about the possible implications you come up with more and more reasons it's a bad idea. .
Because the system can be disabled. I imagine you can't use any of its perks as a result.
I imagine that they'll make the system disabled by default if people make enough noise, but still keep it around.
Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
Which is a really awesome opinion to have until it gets your ass fired.
Just saying.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
Which is a really awesome opinion to have until it gets your ass fired.
Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
Which is a really awesome opinion to have until it gets your ass fired.
Just saying.
Which leads to an awesome lawsuit.
Edit - As long as we're 'just saying.'
Well, I don't know about you, but I live in an At Will state, so I'd still be pretty fucked. But thanks for playing.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Man almost everyone at my job uses facebook. They already know I'm a nerd, do they really need to know to what extent?
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
Which is a really awesome opinion to have until it gets your ass fired.
Just saying.
Which leads to an awesome lawsuit.
Edit - As long as we're 'just saying.'
Well, I don't know about you, but I live in an At Will state, so I'd still be pretty fucked. But thanks for playing.
So do I.
It doesn't discourage me from the notion that if I were fired because of my hobbies, I'd sue the shit out of whoever issued the firing. Appeals up to the Supreme Court if necessary. Because Right to Work states are bullshit.
So, are you going to get people you went to school with and haven't spoken to since messaging you out of the blue to tank their dungeon or help them with their Zerg build orders? I don't really understand what they're hoping to achieve with this.
Likely money from selling Facebook chunks of their massive database of personal information because hey - you "opted in" by making a post on the forums! You "opted in" by using RealID in-game!
I will not be shocked in the least if half of Blizzard's WoW community team is let go within six months of Cataclysm's launch.
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I'm just smart enough to know when to choose my battles I guess. All that time spent suing could be spent finding a new job and learning a valuable lesson in not sharing personal information with people who don't need or want it.
Yes, I'm sure Henroid v. Henroid's Employer would go so well for you. I mean, the "I'd appeal all the way to the supreme court!" argument isn't terribly compelling.
Reality is that this is about marketing. They're building a user database that they can use to target sales of stupid mounts and so on, or sell to other companies so that they can sell you custom WoW mousepads.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I'd like to see this imaginary job that is going to fire/not hire you because, after doing a google search, they found out you flamed somebody for doing 2500 dps in an Icecrown raid last week.
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
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I'd like to see this imaginary job that is going to fire/not hire you because, after doing a google search, they found out you flamed somebody for doing 2500 dps in an Icecrown raid last week.
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
I think the issue is that they shouldn't have the capability to do so. If someone wants to do something in their own time anonymously I guess that should be their choice. Blizz already can tell who you are by your forum posts but I don't know why they think they should share that.
Likely money from selling Facebook chunks of their massive database of personal information because hey - you "opted in" by making a post on the forums! You "opted in" by using RealID in-game!
This right here, there has to be some kind of profit motive behind RealID that vastly outweighs the painfully obvious potential problems. It can't be said for certain that it's the selling of personal data but has to be something; and that something certainly isn't that spin doctored bull about community building.
I'd like to see this imaginary job that is going to fire/not hire you because, after doing a google search, they found out you flamed somebody for doing 2500 dps in an Icecrown raid last week.
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
I think the issue is that they shouldn't have the capability to do so. If someone wants to do something in their own time anonymously I guess that should be their choice. Blizz already can tell who you are by your forum posts but I don't know why they think they should share that.
Oh yeah, obviously the option should not exist in the first place, no argument there. Just the fact that a job is going to fire you because you acted like a goose in a video game seems hilariously stupid to me.
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BeezelThere was no agreement little morsel..Registered Userregular
I'd like to see this imaginary job that is going to fire/not hire you because, after doing a google search, they found out you flamed somebody for doing 2500 dps in an Icecrown raid last week.
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
you'd be surprised. I've been surprised for some of the reasons I've seen people get (unofficially) shitcanned for. The employers in these states can really make up any reason they want to get rid of you when in reality it could be something stupid like, "he was making eyes at my wife". The northeast states are notorious for this sort of bullshit really.
Likely money from selling Facebook chunks of their massive database of personal information because hey - you "opted in" by making a post on the forums! You "opted in" by using RealID in-game!
This right here, there has to be some kind of profit motive behind RealID that vastly outweighs the painfully obvious potential problems. It can't be said for certain that it's the selling of personal data but has to be something; and that something certainly isn't that spin doctored bull about community building.
Blizzard already has this information, though, if anything they're giving information away for free.
I don't know anybody on Facebook. Only guy I work with talked about how he was a gamer and then said he was also a fan of Tim Buckley I think I said he was dead to me
I know I am not a very social person but to me why do I want to be freinds with this person and so on
I actually suspect that this is one step on the way to battle.net becoming the next steam. A hub in which to play and buy digital content, with Real ID as the chat and social networking interface.
You can already buy and manage digital copies of Blizzard titles with battle.net. Eventually it'll branch into Activision titles.
Too bad Steam is light-years ahead of this in terms of privacy settings.
As in having some.
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I don't mind Battle.net becoming another Steam-type service. The two will breed competition with each other and Steam sales will be all the sweeter for it.
Turned off Real ID through the parental controls. If Blizzard compromises and enacts some reasonable customization (hidden status, option to post under a pseudonym) I will turn it back on. Not like I don't already talk to my RL WoW friends through other means anyway.
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I'd like to see this imaginary job that is going to fire/not hire you because, after doing a google search, they found out you flamed somebody for doing 2500 dps in an Icecrown raid last week.
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
I don't think you appreciate how [redacted] people are. Do you honestly think the knuckleheads who play WoW 800 hours and never at any point try to learn how to play their class properly don't have real world counterparts? They're out there, bro, and they're all over the place
Sure, they aren't going to manage to become CEOs or doctors or supreme court justices, but there are enough of them out there in high enough places to make things hard for you. Even having a WoW account is probably still a "no hire" for a lot of jobs, and it'll be years until that changes
You can't take a stand on this when you're looking for your first job, either.. Maybe once you have a few years' cred built up you can get away with a level 99 dark elf archwizard attached to your name, but it'll screw you over when you're still at the "foot in the door" phase at a lot of places
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It's just staggering. I don't comprehend it at all.
Because if the current set of forums are anything to go by the next ones will also be indexed by Google for easy tracking!
"Oh, applicant John Doe posted during business hours about how late he was up the night before raiding. Can't hire that!"
Anyway, this retardation from Blizzard was the last straw in my personal ability to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they can't make their passwords case sensitive, can't put an attempt limit on password tries, cannot manage their phone line, and now cannot manage their forums, the camel's back's gonna break.
Actually...hmm. You know, I wonder if this ties in at all to the two fairly major fixtures in their CM team who just decided to bail (Eyonix and Ancilorn).
Edit: It was Ancilorn, not Wryxian. Too damned many CMs to keep track of, I tells ya.
They do have that, at least for trying to log in to the Battle.NET site. When my fiancee discovered her account had been hacked (lawls) she tried so many email/password combinations that it actually locked our IP address from logging in for a couple of hours.
That makes it hilarious, if true.
It just smacks of something they decided to do without first thinking about it for even a moment. Someone just said it in a meeting and the other guys went "YEAH! GREAT IDEA BOB!" and then they high fived and retired for an evening of swimming in the money pool.
I guess this will really suck for people who'd rather not have that information put out there but would like to post asking for tech support at some point. It's weird because usually we're quite divided on most issues (see: the discussion on this a week or whatever ago) but people seem pretty unified in finding all this a bit stupid. I have a friend who's been e-stalked before (which eventually turned into actual stalking) who posts on the WoW forums quite a lot who's saying that they're basically making them unusable for her because she could be endangering herself by using them, so I guess it kind of sucks to put someone in that position where they can't continue to do something they enjoy for no real reason (that I can see, anyway).
Are they trying to make b.net like a Facebook for gamers (I hate referring to us all as if sharing one hobby makes us some sort of collective), or something along those lines? The way they're talking about it is as if they're looking at some bigger picture.
Please don't keep spreading this mistruth. There is no such script.
Addons do have access to your real name, but there's no way for other players to see it unless the addon is specifically designed to broadcast that data. It would be a maliciously designed addon, not some innocent fault that can be exploited. There is no exploit, there is no flaw; you just have to be careful what addons you install, like you should always have been. The script you saw posted on the Blizzard forums just demonstrates that your real name is locally available to addons, not that you can somehow view other people's names.
Because the system can be disabled. I imagine you can't use any of its perks as a result.
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"...only mights and maybes."
Which would probably work decently well with Starcraft, but pretty terrible with WoW.
Do you really care if they know or what they think of you? If someone changes their opinion of you because they discover you like video games, it's someone actually not worth knowing because they're a shallow silly goose anyhow.
I imagine that they'll make the system disabled by default if people make enough noise, but still keep it around.
Again, just like the integrated VOIP.
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Which is a really awesome opinion to have until it gets your ass fired.
Just saying.
Which leads to an awesome lawsuit.
Edit - As long as we're 'just saying.'
Well, I don't know about you, but I live in an At Will state, so I'd still be pretty fucked. But thanks for playing.
So do I.
It doesn't discourage me from the notion that if I were fired because of my hobbies, I'd sue the shit out of whoever issued the firing. Appeals up to the Supreme Court if necessary. Because Right to Work states are bullshit.
They'd just say "You're fired" and then you could sue all you want and you'd just be wasting your own money.
Likely money from selling Facebook chunks of their massive database of personal information because hey - you "opted in" by making a post on the forums! You "opted in" by using RealID in-game!
I will not be shocked in the least if half of Blizzard's WoW community team is let go within six months of Cataclysm's launch.
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
Reality is that this is about marketing. They're building a user database that they can use to target sales of stupid mounts and so on, or sell to other companies so that they can sell you custom WoW mousepads.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I'd like to think society isn't so fucked that we can't reasonably separate someones work life and private life. I know some people would like a line drawn somewhere (like say, they don't want a kindergarten teacher who's an S&M freak at night, though even then I'd say that's bullshit), but even then. As long as what you do in your home doesn't affect your work and social life, and isn't something flat out illegal like say child pornography, what kind of job is going to analyze it and fire you if they don't approve?
This is why my Facebook is locked up and even then doesn't contain much info. :P
This right here, there has to be some kind of profit motive behind RealID that vastly outweighs the painfully obvious potential problems. It can't be said for certain that it's the selling of personal data but has to be something; and that something certainly isn't that spin doctored bull about community building.
Oh yeah, obviously the option should not exist in the first place, no argument there. Just the fact that a job is going to fire you because you acted like a goose in a video game seems hilariously stupid to me.
you'd be surprised. I've been surprised for some of the reasons I've seen people get (unofficially) shitcanned for. The employers in these states can really make up any reason they want to get rid of you when in reality it could be something stupid like, "he was making eyes at my wife". The northeast states are notorious for this sort of bullshit really.
"...only mights and maybes."
I know I am not a very social person but to me why do I want to be freinds with this person and so on
You can already buy and manage digital copies of Blizzard titles with battle.net. Eventually it'll branch into Activision titles.
As in having some.
I don't think you appreciate how [redacted] people are. Do you honestly think the knuckleheads who play WoW 800 hours and never at any point try to learn how to play their class properly don't have real world counterparts? They're out there, bro, and they're all over the place
Sure, they aren't going to manage to become CEOs or doctors or supreme court justices, but there are enough of them out there in high enough places to make things hard for you. Even having a WoW account is probably still a "no hire" for a lot of jobs, and it'll be years until that changes
You can't take a stand on this when you're looking for your first job, either.. Maybe once you have a few years' cred built up you can get away with a level 99 dark elf archwizard attached to your name, but it'll screw you over when you're still at the "foot in the door" phase at a lot of places