I'm writing a paper for my Introduction to Gaming course at school and need figured this would be a great spot to farm some info from other SF players. The paper's focus is on the social element of the SF series from arcade, to home, to online. The title should be somehow integrate that as well.
I know a lot of you never played in the arcade, so if you want to comment on the home and online experience that would be great. Discuss how personal or impersonal the online community has been to you, both PA and randoms. What's better and worse since the advent of online play? If there was an arcade release of SSF4 with money not being the issue, would you try and fire up a scene in your area? Would it even be possible? Or do you think online is the way to go and we should let the dead stay dead? Finally, what are your thoughts on the actual pro-gamer scene (Diago, Wong, Gamerbee, Marn, etc)?
Feel free to discuss as much or as little as you'd like.
Thanks!
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Well, in my experience, the online community is what it is, there are some genuinely cool people and great games to be had, but in the end, the lack of face-to-face interaction is what led to me trying to start something in my local scene.
Having said that, I did grow up in arcades back home in Manila, but the scene there is not comparable to the scene here.
Here, it's mainly been online for me, because of my need to play somewhat competitively, that probably carried over from my youth in arcades. It's not optimal, but it's all we have, sometimes. Better = more people to play, at nearly any time you might want to. Worse = the ppl that you play have widely varying skill levels, plus the lack of real interaction.
As far as an arcade release, it's just not realistic. I mean there WILL be an arcade location with Super 4-5 hours drive from me. That might as well be on the moon as far as regular play is concerned. Don't get me wrong, I love arcades, but the failing of the arcade scene overshadows any single game.
However, you can always try and start something local, all you need is some space, tables and chairs, and ppl to bring setups and some power outlets. It can be done. It's what I had to do here. My group plays together weekly offline, and also plays each other online when we can. But it's the cameraderie of offline play, and the time spent together at the bar AFTER playing, lol, that really cements the scene together.
Pro-gamer scene has it's good and bad representatives. I think in general some pros and streams could be more professional, and the scene in general HAS to get more professional if anyone wants it to grow beyond just a subculture. WHY would you want it to grow? well, if the grassroots community doesn't grow up, wise up and start running shit on their own at a professional level, you'll see companies just stepping in when they see there's money in it, and we will lose control of our own scene. This can and will happen, it's happened before, and I've seen it happen to the industry I work in.
I want pros to make money, i want pros to get something back from the activity they love, and with growth, this can happen, but it needs to happen on our own terms.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
I'm writing a paper for my Introduction to Gaming course at school and need figured this would be a great spot to farm some info from other SF players. The paper's focus is on the social element of the SF series from arcade, to home, to online. The title should be somehow integrate that as well.
I know a lot of you never played in the arcade, so if you want to comment on the home and online experience that would be great. Discuss how personal or impersonal the online community has been to you, both PA and randoms. What's better and worse since the advent of online play? If there was an arcade release of SSF4 with money not being the issue, would you try and fire up a scene in your area? Would it even be possible? Or do you think online is the way to go and we should let the dead stay dead? Finally, what are your thoughts on the actual pro-gamer scene (Daigo, Wong, Gamerbee, Marn, etc)?
Feel free to discuss as much or as little as you'd like.
Thanks!
I just deleted a huge post. Sigh.
Anyways....
The arcade scene was great. Regulars, who's names I didn't know, but I nicknamed anyways (Jeffrey Guy, Hispanic Guy, Big Chinese Guy, Little Chinese Guy, Drug Dealer Guy). We basically respected each other, even Drug Dealer Guy who'd have to stop midmatch whenever he got a beep. It was good times. For many years I'd haunt arcades .
It was killed by stupid owners (one even kicked us out when he saw we had a movesheet, said we should play to find out the moves, not bring in magazines / notes). Broken sticks, broken buttons.....
It will never come back due to business reasons and the fact that online is getting better and better. That's one reason whenever I see someone bitching about online, I just have to roll my eyes and bite my tongue. Online is pretty much where it's at, now, and both game designers (keep lag in mind for their game development) and elitist players who say shit like "It only works because it's online" need to deal with it.
Online has its own advantages, anyways, mainly the sheer number of competitors. No matter how much I play, my end enjoyment always comes from triumph. That even relates to the flash article, mainly because..I don't consider anything, barring cheating obviously, as cheesy play. You play to win, calling something cheese is being a whiney bitch who needs to go have their period and shut up.
Not directed at anyone here, obviously.
Online has its own issues, though, too. Anonymity breeds a lack of respect, especially among PS3 players. Lag will forever be a pain as well. I beat a guy named XiRTAM or something last night twice. He flipped out. . No reason for it, was just two matches, but suddenly I am garbage.
As for the pro-gamers....
I didn't respect them "back in the day", simply because there wasn't really a lot of competition to give them a threat. That and it's not like all the info of the games were online. Part of the reason they won is because they knew things others didn't, frankly .
Now, my respect is growing. Online and just a wider knowledge base has increased the competition. You can see it starting to have an impact in fighters (Season Beatings, who won? Not Daigo, Jwong, Arturo, or Umehara ).
I still respect other gaming communities more. Streetfighter is just not professional enough for me. But, at least more challengers are entering the arena as it were.
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I never liked playing fighting games in the arcades back when they were the main draw, mostly because it was a waste of time and money to try and figure things out on the fly against people who already knew how to play. Renting them on consoles (too poor to buy many games back then) wasn't much better, as they often came without any kind of instructions, so they were still a trial and error exercise in frustration. Even figuring out the really basic stuff wasn't immediately obvious. Like, the Hadoken input is pretty simple, but when you're new to it it's not apparent that you're supposed to keep the Forward input held down while you tap the punch button (as opposed to hitting them simultaneously or releasing forward before hitting punch).
For all the talk about fighting games being too complex for their own good, it's way, WAY easier to find information and reach an intermediate level these days.
I've really become disillusioned towards online play in general this console generation. Between poor netcode in most games and an absolute terrible ISP (200+ ms of latency before I even get out of Comcast's network on a really bad day), I rarely end online sessions less frustrated than when I started, and I made a 3-hour trip to Columbus a couple weeks ago just to be able to have a satisfactory TvC session with some new faces (totally worth it). I am just extremely grateful that I at least have 2 other local friends who play these games. Otherwise I would not be putting 5% of the time into them that I do.
I enjoy the casual/unprofessional atmosphere that pervades much of the Street Fighter / Marvel scene for what it is. They're friendly enough in person at any rate, and that's all that really matters.
Thanks for the input so far guys. I just finished writing and realized I was on page 4 of a 7 page paper and had just covered the history of SFII to SFIV. Too much info!
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
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The gamer cafe is in fact something some of my friends have discussed doing. However, once you get into it, the logistics are a huge deal. Location, rent, space etc.
Now as a HYPOTHETICAL scenario, in which there was a gamer cafe within a reasonable distance. Then hell yeah I'd be playing there quite often.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Thanks for the input so far guys. I just finished writing and realized I was on page 4 of a 7 page paper and had just covered the history of SFII to SFIV. Too much info!
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
A friend and I have discussed doing this. Imho, the only way it works is if it's a bar.
Basically, a Dave & Busters.
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Alcohol + competitive fighting games + strangers/randoms = TROUBLE.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Alcohol + competitive fighting games + strangers/randoms = TROUBLE.
I think people are generally better sports than you give them credit for.
In general, yes. But even if people know each other, sometimes shit gets talked, feelings get hurt, and people get offended. Trust me, I play in a regular group of people offline every week, and you'd be surprised how even players who have known each other for a long time can get a bit ticked when their buddy tells them to "stop mashing like a scrub".
Besides, just look at the behavior of some people on live streams, screaming at each other, hurling insults, gloating, etc. You really want to add alcohol to this mix?
I dunno about you, but when shit gets hype, it's borderline dangerous enough without drinks in the mix. I take it you aren't from Atlanta?
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Thanks for the games Blaze. You've got a dang good Juri, and showed me I really need to work on that matchup. I just have to idea how to handle her (or at least the aggressive version of her that you play).
Any suggestions for a title to my paper? Silly is acceptable.
Go Home and Be a Family Man
Now you realize the inner mysteries of yoga
...thats all i got
Seeing you in action is a joke.
Also, I expect you to post the paper in its entirety for us to see.
As an arcade rat from long, long ago I do miss it, but only because I was good enough a Mortal Kombat 2 to show off. Now? I'd be just another guy with a quarter up on the screen waiting to lose.
Any suggestions for a title to my paper? Silly is acceptable.
Go Home and Be a Family Man
Now you realize the inner mysteries of yoga
...thats all i got
Seeing you in action is a joke.
Also, I expect you to post the paper in its entirety for us to see.
As an arcade rat from long, long ago I do miss it, but only because I was good enough a Mortal Kombat 2 to show off. Now? I'd be just another guy with a quarter up on the screen waiting to lose.
Consider it done when it's complete.
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Thanks for the input so far guys. I just finished writing and realized I was on page 4 of a 7 page paper and had just covered the history of SFII to SFIV. Too much info!
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
I find that my schedule has more of an impact on my ability to play locally than any desire or actual local scene. I've been wavering back and forth about attempting to jump into the DC/NOVA/MD local scene through the SRK thread, but basically what it comes down to is that playing an hour a night online is much more attractive than driving half an hour to 45 minutes to go play street fighter with strangers for maybe an hour or two after a shitty 9-10 hour work day.
A fiance, two dogs, and a full time job all make online play the only reasonable option for me. If I ever make the initial plunge, I have no doubt local play would be better both socially and for my game, but logistically for me, it's just a pain in the ass.
Edit: waaay too much banter/hahas in the intros before the questions get asked.
Sigh, still the uninformed Abel comments. How many majors has Abel won again? But he's so OP!. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
Good emphasis on fundamentals.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Thanks for the input so far guys. I just finished writing and realized I was on page 4 of a 7 page paper and had just covered the history of SFII to SFIV. Too much info!
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
I find that my schedule has more of an impact on my ability to play locally than any desire or actual local scene. I've been wavering back and forth about attempting to jump into the DC/NOVA/MD local scene through the SRK thread, but basically what it comes down to is that playing an hour a night online is much more attractive than driving half an hour to 45 minutes to go play street fighter with strangers for maybe an hour or two after a shitty 9-10 hour work day.
A fiance, two dogs, and a full time job all make online play the only reasonable option for me. If I ever make the initial plunge, I have no doubt local play would be better both socially and for my game, but logistically for me, it's just a pain in the ass.
You just don't want to get your ass kicked in public.
Edit: waaay too much banter/hahas in the intros before the questions get asked.
Sigh, still the uninformed Abel hate. How many majors has Abel won again? But he's so OP!. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
I'm uh, Monji in the podcast, I think I've got like the deepest voice on the cast.
Jerry was talking about Abel in terms of his playstyle, I was saying Abel's really good in 4. Personally speaking, a well-played Abel is just as scary, if not more, as a well-played Ryu.
Thanks for the input so far guys. I just finished writing and realized I was on page 4 of a 7 page paper and had just covered the history of SFII to SFIV. Too much info!
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
I find that my schedule has more of an impact on my ability to play locally than any desire or actual local scene. I've been wavering back and forth about attempting to jump into the DC/NOVA/MD local scene through the SRK thread, but basically what it comes down to is that playing an hour a night online is much more attractive than driving half an hour to 45 minutes to go play street fighter with strangers for maybe an hour or two after a shitty 9-10 hour work day.
A fiance, two dogs, and a full time job all make online play the only reasonable option for me. If I ever make the initial plunge, I have no doubt local play would be better both socially and for my game, but logistically for me, it's just a pain in the ass.
You just don't want to get your ass kicked in public.
Hah, maybe that's the subconscious reason and I'm just coming up with all of that other stuff as fake justification. You've seen right through me.
I was really young when arcades were big and by the time my overzealous parents determined I was old enough to go by myself, arcades had all but died off so yeah, I've never actually played competitively in a forum like that.
A fiance, two dogs, and a full time job all make online play the only reasonable option for me. If I ever make the initial plunge, I have no doubt local play would be better both socially and for my game, but logistically for me, it's just a pain in the ass.
Replace dogs with a programming hobby and this is the same reason as me for not getting into our local scene.
There definitely was something almost magical about waiting in line to play, your token up, cheering and jeering with a crowd. When Super Turbo was new the Aladdin's Castle that I frequented put it up on a big projection screen. I wasted an entire evening losing to one guy whose Honda was untouchable. At one point they had two Super Turbo machines, a Killer Instinct 2, two Tekken 2's, a Soul Caliber, and at least two MK III's. It was heaven on earth.
Hell, to go back further I remember waiting in line to play Super Street Fighter II an GenCon (before it left Milwaukee). One guy had been dominating the crowd with Sagat for hours, and I rolled up with my scrubby Blanka and took a round from him. Didn't win the match, but did better than the rest of the line had.
I remember the fist time I saw Mortal Kombat there. The 'hardcore' players knew who I was, so they showed me some of the moves. I took that back to the Time Out in the mall near school and just destroyed people until they figured it out.
Edit: waaay too much banter/hahas in the intros before the questions get asked.
Sigh, still the uninformed Abel comments. How many majors has Abel won again? But he's so OP!. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
Good emphasis on fundamentals.
Good advice re: playing other people in general.
Edit: Should you guys be cursing? Not an issue personally, just an observation. I don't know how "professional" you guys are trying to sound.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
I find that my schedule has more of an impact on my ability to play locally than any desire or actual local scene. I've been wavering back and forth about attempting to jump into the DC/NOVA/MD local scene through the SRK thread, but basically what it comes down to is that playing an hour a night online is much more attractive than driving half an hour to 45 minutes to go play street fighter with strangers for maybe an hour or two after a shitty 9-10 hour work day..
Come to Delaware! Or at least Philly in December! Drive my crippled ass places!
As for quarters on the machine..
I always felt the quarter on the machine was stupid if there was also a line.
Luckily, I always pointed out how I was in a wheelchair and putting a quarter up there would be too much of a production and could ignore it.
Or just have someone else do it for me.
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Edit: waaay too much banter/hahas in the intros before the questions get asked.
Sigh, still the uninformed Abel comments. How many majors has Abel won again? But he's so OP!. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
Good emphasis on fundamentals.
Good advice re: playing other people in general.
Edit: Should you guys be cursing? Not an issue personally, just an observation. I don't know how "professional" you guys are trying to sound.
Thanks for the feedback, Hiryu! As to the swearing, we're not exactly targeting an audience with delicate ears so we're just speaking in the most natural way we can.
In general, pretty listenable, I think some of the banter/laughs go on for a bit too long, but there's a lot of stuff that is pretty much what I tell new players.
I like it, will listen to the next one. Maybe have fewer local references, as nobody outside your scene will necessarily care. Also try and keep a slightly tighter leash on the banter. Personally I tend to tune out if I'm not listening to solid info, unless I'm listening to drama about tourney crap etc. Like that chick Juicebox had on a few podcasts? WASTE of time. I don't need to hear some girl spoonfeed the host questions.
You guys are off to a good start, sound real natural and like you guys are having fun with it.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
I have way more fun playing in person, arcade or otherwise, and it's what keeps me playing games. I stopped playing Street Fighter completely when I couldn't get to the arcade regularly. Even though I know some local players and even go to tourneys where there are SF games being played, I have zero motivation without a place to go and people to play with regularly. It's not even a schedule thing, since I can make time in my schedule to play dota or SC4 or Quake 3. I played from Street Fighter 2 to SF3 in the arcades downtown, but without them I haven't played any Street Fighter until I got my copy of SSF4 last week (aside from a little mvc1 on ggpo now and again).
Playing online does nothing for me, really. I can't feel the other player, even when I know them personally. I need physical feedback. I need to look someone in the eye or shake their hand after a match. I need to be able to see their hands move at the edge of my vision, to hear the stick move and the buttons tap so I can predict their reversal, wakeup, or oki. And to call them a fucking jerk when they win. Playing online offers none of that, even when they have a mic (I don't listen) and I have a mic (I don't talk).
Anyway, I've been playing nothing but endless lobbies. Is there any sense to trying the other modes? I have no consideration for achievements or pp or bp or whatever else.
Anyway, I've been playing nothing but endless lobbies. Is there any sense to trying the other modes? I have no consideration for achievements or pp or bp or whatever else.
Main advantage of playing ranked is you'll be able to play without having to wait. I find most people won't join 2 player lobbies (or they'll leave after 1 game) so endless ends up with you having to wait your turn should you lose... and from the sounds of it, you have little reason to just sit and watch people playing so... yeah. Go ranked.
Team mode is a graveyard. I tried playing just to finish out the achievement(s) and like nobody plays that shit. I had to do region -> any, and I could only find a few japanese lobbies.
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I know a lot of you never played in the arcade, so if you want to comment on the home and online experience that would be great. Discuss how personal or impersonal the online community has been to you, both PA and randoms. What's better and worse since the advent of online play? If there was an arcade release of SSF4 with money not being the issue, would you try and fire up a scene in your area? Would it even be possible? Or do you think online is the way to go and we should let the dead stay dead? Finally, what are your thoughts on the actual pro-gamer scene (Diago, Wong, Gamerbee, Marn, etc)?
Feel free to discuss as much or as little as you'd like.
Thanks!
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Having said that, I did grow up in arcades back home in Manila, but the scene there is not comparable to the scene here.
Here, it's mainly been online for me, because of my need to play somewhat competitively, that probably carried over from my youth in arcades. It's not optimal, but it's all we have, sometimes. Better = more people to play, at nearly any time you might want to. Worse = the ppl that you play have widely varying skill levels, plus the lack of real interaction.
As far as an arcade release, it's just not realistic. I mean there WILL be an arcade location with Super 4-5 hours drive from me. That might as well be on the moon as far as regular play is concerned. Don't get me wrong, I love arcades, but the failing of the arcade scene overshadows any single game.
However, you can always try and start something local, all you need is some space, tables and chairs, and ppl to bring setups and some power outlets. It can be done. It's what I had to do here. My group plays together weekly offline, and also plays each other online when we can. But it's the cameraderie of offline play, and the time spent together at the bar AFTER playing, lol, that really cements the scene together.
Pro-gamer scene has it's good and bad representatives. I think in general some pros and streams could be more professional, and the scene in general HAS to get more professional if anyone wants it to grow beyond just a subculture. WHY would you want it to grow? well, if the grassroots community doesn't grow up, wise up and start running shit on their own at a professional level, you'll see companies just stepping in when they see there's money in it, and we will lose control of our own scene. This can and will happen, it's happened before, and I've seen it happen to the industry I work in.
I want pros to make money, i want pros to get something back from the activity they love, and with growth, this can happen, but it needs to happen on our own terms.
I just deleted a huge post. Sigh.
Anyways....
The arcade scene was great. Regulars, who's names I didn't know, but I nicknamed anyways (Jeffrey Guy, Hispanic Guy, Big Chinese Guy, Little Chinese Guy, Drug Dealer Guy). We basically respected each other, even Drug Dealer Guy who'd have to stop midmatch whenever he got a beep. It was good times. For many years I'd haunt arcades
It was killed by stupid owners (one even kicked us out when he saw we had a movesheet, said we should play to find out the moves, not bring in magazines / notes). Broken sticks, broken buttons.....
It will never come back due to business reasons and the fact that online is getting better and better. That's one reason whenever I see someone bitching about online, I just have to roll my eyes and bite my tongue. Online is pretty much where it's at, now, and both game designers (keep lag in mind for their game development) and elitist players who say shit like "It only works because it's online" need to deal with it.
Online has its own advantages, anyways, mainly the sheer number of competitors. No matter how much I play, my end enjoyment always comes from triumph. That even relates to the flash article, mainly because..I don't consider anything, barring cheating obviously, as cheesy play. You play to win, calling something cheese is being a whiney bitch who needs to go have their period and shut up.
Not directed at anyone here, obviously.
Online has its own issues, though, too. Anonymity breeds a lack of respect, especially among PS3 players. Lag will forever be a pain as well. I beat a guy named XiRTAM or something last night twice. He flipped out.
As for the pro-gamers....
I didn't respect them "back in the day", simply because there wasn't really a lot of competition to give them a threat. That and it's not like all the info of the games were online. Part of the reason they won is because they knew things others didn't, frankly
Now, my respect is growing. Online and just a wider knowledge base has increased the competition. You can see it starting to have an impact in fighters (Season Beatings, who won? Not Daigo, Jwong, Arturo, or Umehara
I still respect other gaming communities more. Streetfighter is just not professional enough for me. But, at least more challengers are entering the arena as it were.
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Goddamn Kinder you're all over the internet... first on peaceful jay's stream now this:
For all the talk about fighting games being too complex for their own good, it's way, WAY easier to find information and reach an intermediate level these days.
I've really become disillusioned towards online play in general this console generation. Between poor netcode in most games and an absolute terrible ISP (200+ ms of latency before I even get out of Comcast's network on a really bad day), I rarely end online sessions less frustrated than when I started, and I made a 3-hour trip to Columbus a couple weeks ago just to be able to have a satisfactory TvC session with some new faces (totally worth it). I am just extremely grateful that I at least have 2 other local friends who play these games. Otherwise I would not be putting 5% of the time into them that I do.
I enjoy the casual/unprofessional atmosphere that pervades much of the Street Fighter / Marvel scene for what it is. They're friendly enough in person at any rate, and that's all that really matters.
Anyhoo, I am going to take this tourney as an excuse to level up my bison. Specifically I need to work on some matchups:
ryu
guile
cammy
Rufus
Abel
chun li
Honda
adon
some of those are worse than others, but I'd love to work on any of them with anyone who mains or alts them.
I deleted two pages and condensed it. The focus is supposed to be on SFIV as a game with the focus being the community aspect and how it's changed.
All that being said, suppose it was hypothetical that you could join a SF club, kinda like a gym, where you could go and play whenever you wanted for a yearly fee. Basically a gamer cafe. Anywho, say there was at least one location in every town or within a descent driving distance so that wasn't an issue.
Would you prefer to play locally more or online? They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but which would you prefer and why?
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Now as a HYPOTHETICAL scenario, in which there was a gamer cafe within a reasonable distance. Then hell yeah I'd be playing there quite often.
A friend and I have discussed doing this. Imho, the only way it works is if it's a bar.
Basically, a Dave & Busters.
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I think people are generally better sports than you give them credit for.
In general, yes. But even if people know each other, sometimes shit gets talked, feelings get hurt, and people get offended. Trust me, I play in a regular group of people offline every week, and you'd be surprised how even players who have known each other for a long time can get a bit ticked when their buddy tells them to "stop mashing like a scrub".
Besides, just look at the behavior of some people on live streams, screaming at each other, hurling insults, gloating, etc. You really want to add alcohol to this mix?
I dunno about you, but when shit gets hype, it's borderline dangerous enough without drinks in the mix. I take it you aren't from Atlanta?
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Seeing you in action is a joke.
Also, I expect you to post the paper in its entirety for us to see.
As an arcade rat from long, long ago I do miss it, but only because I was good enough a Mortal Kombat 2 to show off. Now? I'd be just another guy with a quarter up on the screen waiting to lose.
I main Cammy and need to work on my game v Bison. I should be in irc tonight if you want to play.
Consider it done when it's complete.
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I find that my schedule has more of an impact on my ability to play locally than any desire or actual local scene. I've been wavering back and forth about attempting to jump into the DC/NOVA/MD local scene through the SRK thread, but basically what it comes down to is that playing an hour a night online is much more attractive than driving half an hour to 45 minutes to go play street fighter with strangers for maybe an hour or two after a shitty 9-10 hour work day.
A fiance, two dogs, and a full time job all make online play the only reasonable option for me. If I ever make the initial plunge, I have no doubt local play would be better both socially and for my game, but logistically for me, it's just a pain in the ass.
Which one are you in the podcast?
Edit: waaay too much banter/hahas in the intros before the questions get asked.
Sigh, still the uninformed Abel comments. How many majors has Abel won again? But he's so OP!. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
Good emphasis on fundamentals.
You just don't want to get your ass kicked in public.
I'm uh, Monji in the podcast, I think I've got like the deepest voice on the cast.
Jerry was talking about Abel in terms of his playstyle, I was saying Abel's really good in 4. Personally speaking, a well-played Abel is just as scary, if not more, as a well-played Ryu.
Hah, maybe that's the subconscious reason and I'm just coming up with all of that other stuff as fake justification. You've seen right through me.
I was really young when arcades were big and by the time my overzealous parents determined I was old enough to go by myself, arcades had all but died off so yeah, I've never actually played competitively in a forum like that.
Replace dogs with a programming hobby and this is the same reason as me for not getting into our local scene.
Hell, to go back further I remember waiting in line to play Super Street Fighter II an GenCon (before it left Milwaukee). One guy had been dominating the crowd with Sagat for hours, and I rolled up with my scrubby Blanka and took a round from him. Didn't win the match, but did better than the rest of the line had.
I remember the fist time I saw Mortal Kombat there. The 'hardcore' players knew who I was, so they showed me some of the moves. I took that back to the Time Out in the mall near school and just destroyed people until they figured it out.
God damn I'm getting old.
Good advice re: playing other people in general.
Edit: Should you guys be cursing? Not an issue personally, just an observation. I don't know how "professional" you guys are trying to sound.
Come to Delaware! Or at least Philly in December! Drive my crippled ass places!
As for quarters on the machine..
I always felt the quarter on the machine was stupid if there was also a line.
Luckily, I always pointed out how I was in a wheelchair and putting a quarter up there would be too much of a production and could ignore it.
Or just have someone else do it for me.
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We need to lobby up again.
Thanks for the feedback, Hiryu! As to the swearing, we're not exactly targeting an audience with delicate ears so we're just speaking in the most natural way we can.
In general, pretty listenable, I think some of the banter/laughs go on for a bit too long, but there's a lot of stuff that is pretty much what I tell new players.
I like it, will listen to the next one. Maybe have fewer local references, as nobody outside your scene will necessarily care. Also try and keep a slightly tighter leash on the banter. Personally I tend to tune out if I'm not listening to solid info, unless I'm listening to drama about tourney crap etc. Like that chick Juicebox had on a few podcasts? WASTE of time. I don't need to hear some girl spoonfeed the host questions.
You guys are off to a good start, sound real natural and like you guys are having fun with it.
I have not played two of those three people. Why not
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I have way more fun playing in person, arcade or otherwise, and it's what keeps me playing games. I stopped playing Street Fighter completely when I couldn't get to the arcade regularly. Even though I know some local players and even go to tourneys where there are SF games being played, I have zero motivation without a place to go and people to play with regularly. It's not even a schedule thing, since I can make time in my schedule to play dota or SC4 or Quake 3. I played from Street Fighter 2 to SF3 in the arcades downtown, but without them I haven't played any Street Fighter until I got my copy of SSF4 last week (aside from a little mvc1 on ggpo now and again).
Playing online does nothing for me, really. I can't feel the other player, even when I know them personally. I need physical feedback. I need to look someone in the eye or shake their hand after a match. I need to be able to see their hands move at the edge of my vision, to hear the stick move and the buttons tap so I can predict their reversal, wakeup, or oki. And to call them a fucking jerk when they win. Playing online offers none of that, even when they have a mic (I don't listen) and I have a mic (I don't talk).
Anyway, I've been playing nothing but endless lobbies. Is there any sense to trying the other modes? I have no consideration for achievements or pp or bp or whatever else.
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Main advantage of playing ranked is you'll be able to play without having to wait. I find most people won't join 2 player lobbies (or they'll leave after 1 game) so endless ends up with you having to wait your turn should you lose... and from the sounds of it, you have little reason to just sit and watch people playing so... yeah. Go ranked.
Team mode is a graveyard. I tried playing just to finish out the achievement(s) and like nobody plays that shit. I had to do region -> any, and I could only find a few japanese lobbies.
Beating the game once unlocks character voice languages.
Adon in japanese is awesome.
Is it per character, or do you just do it once and get them all?
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