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Canadian moving to the USA

beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
edited November 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey guys!
I'm trying to figure out what my options are here.
Currently I'm a freelance illustrator. I'm a Canadian citizen and I'm in LA temporarily to do some workshops.
I've decided while down here that it's a much better environment for an artist to live in, I want to continue to live down here, taking workshops and continuing to work freelance.
Since the clients I have are all obtained from the Internet, i would be getting them whether I was living in Canada or the USA, so I'm not actually taking jobs away from Americans by being down here.

What options do I have and what is my best course of action at this point?
I'm leaving on the 10th of December to go home for Christmas and plan on coming back in January.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So you are going to Immigrate to the US? I think there are job requirements and stuff for that, and I don't know how exactly a freelancer would prove that they have a job. I would look into that.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think that bank statements showing proof of a monthly income suffice.

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  • Cowboy-BebopCowboy-Bebop Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I don't know if this is relevant but I've been looking into the reverse move. Everything I've found points to the fact that you need an offer of employment in the country to get a work visa which will in turn and later let you apply for permanent residency. It sounded like bank statements would not qualify for this. I'm not certain but is permanent residency what you're looking for?

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yeah it is.

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I have a friend in Vancouver who does freelance web design, and is quite successful at it. He met a lady in the states and they got married. That was two years ago. Even being married to a US citizen, he still doesn't have his green card. He's very close, already had his interview with an INS agent, just needs to send one last piece of documentation to them. But seriously, for two years he's been living in Vancouver and visiting his wife in Washington state on weekends. He couldn't possibly be more motivated to get his green card, but it's been a painfully long and drawn-out process.

    If you have specialized skills and a job offer at a US company, the employer can get a fast-track work visa that would let you live and work in the states. I think that's about the only fast way to legally work full-time in the states as a non-citizen. Pretty much every other avenue to legal full-time work in the US is a gigantic pain in the ass, and that's by design. They want immigrants to be extremely hard-working and persevering, so they make them jump through a lot of hoops before they'll issue a green card.

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    As far as i know to do what you want to do, you basically have to prove that youre independently wealthy, and will contribute back to the american economy in a significant way. Unless youre pulling in 7 figures annually and want to invest more than 50% of that back into the american economy (through investments, basically) I dont think you have a way to legally immigrate to the united states.

    There really arent any provisions for self employeed people to get greencards or become a permanent resident unless theyre bringing in a fuckton of money and are going to set up businesses that employs americans.

    Your best bet if youre really serious would be to talk to a (legitimate) immigration lawyer. If there are any loop holes for self employed people with modest (ie, less than 500,000 dollar) incomes, they will be able to tell you what you need to do.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    Basically beavo it looks like you have a loooong wait ahead of you. The 1990 Immigration Act (IMMACT) limits annual immigrants (legal, there are of course many who illegally immigrate) to 700,000. There are many more applicants than 700,000 every year, so how do they decide who gets approval? Well, in general the two biggest factors are family reunification (so if you're a mother immigrating to join her already naturalized husband and 3 children) or employment. Which is not to say that in those cases they'll get fast tracked and get approved super fast, just that they're a higher priority. They may well still end up waiting a couple of years or more. I'm obviously not an immigration lawyer, but I'm pretty sure being a freelancer, or contractor if you will does not count in the same sense as an offer for full time, long term employment from a specific company. The idea behind that is that they'll give priority if your employer is having a hard time filling a position domestically because there's a shortage of qualified personnel in the states.

    Definitely contact an immigration lawyer, but based on your current situation I doubt you'll see any progress on getting a green card unless your status changes on either the family or employment front.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Beavs, I'm in class right now but when I have a minute I'll come back and talk a little about this. My family migrated here from the UK about a decade ago on a work visa but I got my green card independently via marriage. I'm not a lawyer (yet!) but I'd be happy to help with any questions you have. The US immigration website is also your friend in these matters.

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  • NPNP Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Realistically it's not gonna happen, as other people have said, unless you're super rich (+7 figure net worth) or marry an American. Or one of your parents is American. One thing I'd like to say is that as a Canadian, you can spend 6 months out of every 12 in the US as long as you don't "work" (online stuff is probably OK, as long as all money is handled through your Canadian bank)--your status here will be that of a tourist, which means you won't be able to get an id/social security number/residence/etc, but in the end you'll still be here.

    Just make sure you absolutely do NOT exceed 6 months out of 12 with no visa, even if your passport isn't stamped when you enter (it probably won't be if you enter via land). They WILL find out and you WILL be banned from re-entering the US under any circumstances for 3-10 years. Also, even if you start alternating 6 months here, 6 months there, they're gonna start doing some "extended" questioning at the border after the 2nd or 3rd time you try it.

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  • EntriechEntriech ? ? ? ? ? Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Also if you're going to be spending extended trips to the US you really need to make sure you have some kind of out of country medical insurance. This is typically very cheap, and can be purchased directly from insurance companies or also through travel companies like the CAA. Generally the provincial health plans will not take care of all expenses you'd incur in the event of a medical emergency.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    After reading through the posts, I think you've got a good basis for your decision-making process.

    Firstly, this will be difficult, but not impossible. Check the us gov. website to see if you're eligible for the "green card lottery" the odds are very long, but it might not hurt to try.

    A work visa is your next option. Find a job in the US that the employer will sponsor your visa. I think they're still called an H1B. You need to bring a very specific and in-demand skill set to this, however, since the employer must prove that they have tried to hire an American but failed.

    The next is a green card through marriage. Unless you're currently dating an American with plans to get engaged, this is right out. I'll also remind you that marriage fraud carries a pretty serious penalty. ;-)

    Student visa is also an option. If you're studying in the US you can be here legally, however, you're not allowed to work off-campus. I was an RA during my undergrad years but I couldn't have worked at the GAP at the mall.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but just moving to the US is not something that one does with ease.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Maybe an immigration lawyer and a call to the US gov. would be a good idea here on the student visa front. I don't know if these "workshops" are through a school, but if you're enrolled in a school and able to work online you might be able to get around the student visa employment limitations.

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  • Canadian CommieCanadian Commie Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Maybe an immigration lawyer and a call to the US gov. would be a good idea here on the student visa front. I don't know if these "workshops" are through a school, but if you're enrolled in a school and able to work online you might be able to get around the student visa employment limitations.

    I once hired an immigration lawyer to help my wife with some immigration issues coming up to Canada.


    ...his advice was terrible. Almost got her and myself in some damned deep trouble with the authorities, so, do some real research on the potential legal representatives available to oneself.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    This is true. My parents had a bad immigration lawyer in Indianapolis. I had a fantastic one here in Dallas. Do your research is the rule of the day, I suppose.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    man so after much reading and listening to you guys it looks like i'm gonna either have to land myself a job down here or land myself a husband

    ugh on both counts

    the thing about getting a job down here is i don't have a degree
    so it'll be hard for them to prove that i'm more qualified than an american who has one

    :( shitty deals
    there is a boy down here that i'm dating though
    maybe i can convince him to marry me!

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  • As7As7 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    beavotron wrote: »
    man so after much reading and listening to you guys it looks like i'm gonna either have to land myself a job down here or land myself a husband

    ugh on both counts

    the thing about getting a job down here is i don't have a degree
    so it'll be hard for them to prove that i'm more qualified than an american who has one

    :( shitty deals
    there is a boy down here that i'm dating though
    maybe i can convince him to marry me!

    On the job front: You don't need to have a degree, particularly in the field you're in. You have a lot of positive references and a long list of completed projects to wave in front of an employer.

    On the marriage front...marrying Canadian citizens just long enough for them to get there green card is not uncommon. Just saying. But don't rush into a serious relationship if that's a motivating factor.

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  • FagatronFagatron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    beavotron wrote: »
    man so after much reading and listening to you guys it looks like i'm gonna either have to land myself a job down here or land myself a husband

    ugh on both counts

    the thing about getting a job down here is i don't have a degree
    so it'll be hard for them to prove that i'm more qualified than an american who has one

    :( shitty deals
    there is a boy down here that i'm dating though
    maybe i can convince him to marry me!

    Well I don't know much about jobs, but I know some guys.

    Single guys.

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  • clearsimpleplainclearsimpleplain Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Get ready for some bad advice.

    From what you described, it sounds like you probably get paid for your services online (like with Paypal or something), and there's no face-to-face money-to-product exchange and that you can do it from anywhere in the world.

    If you were to hypothetically say you were living in Canada with a parent/relative/friend but actually just exist 100% of the time in California, well, no one is going to demand your immigration papers at random intervals and proceed to kick you out.

    Where you'll get in trouble doing this is if you leave the country/try to get back in afterwards. They'll see that you were in the US for a two year period illegally and you'll likely get blocked. However word on the street is that when considering K-3/K-1/etc visas for Spouses/Fiancees the government will overlook extended periods of time spent here.

    Theoretically, you could live in the US for 4 years, get married at the end of that, get a green card, and be a legal permanent resident. The only issue is that you wouldn't be able to leave and return as you pleased during those 4 years, and there's always that sticky worry in the back of your mind that someone somehow is going to find out and you'll be deported. Or that when you apply for your Spousal visa that you'll get a strict case handler and get rejected/deported (unheard of but probably not impossible).

    Like I said, it's bad advice. I think you can live in the states for 6/12 months of the year (it may be longer) legally by stating that it's just a half-a-year vacation; lots of couples (myself included) have done this while battling visa paperwork.

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The following image is pretty great summary on becoming an US citizen.
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  • CauldCauld Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    It took my wife about 8 months to get her visa to enter the US after we got married. It took another 8 months or so for her to get a conditional green card. Two years from that day her conditional green card will be converted to a normal green card, but that last step is more of a formality.

    I think the first step could have gone faster if I'd applied for the visa faster, but that would maybe shave a month off the times. How long it takes for you, if you go the marriage route, will vary quite a bit depending on how backed up you are, and how quickly the US Embassy in Canada does its part.

    One thing that really slowed things down was that I hired an Immigration attorney who's assistant kept screwing up. I kept having to correct their forms they were sending me for approval. It was at that point I realized I was essentially filling out the forms myself and was paying someone to screw things up. So I fired my attorney and did it all myself. It's pretty straightforward and there's plenty of websites to help you along (www.visa-journey.com has helpful guides). I also had a couple family members who knew immigration attorneys, so I was able to ask them questions if I needed to.

    One thing to note is that unlike my wife who wasn't able to come to the US while her visa was pending, you could probably just keep visiting the US for as long as a tourist visa lasts. You're not technically allowed to work while here if you're on a tourist visa, so I'm not sure how your independent contracting would work.

    Marrying someone pretty much guarantees you becoming a permanent resident, its just a matter of time. So long as you're not a criminal in Canada and don't commit a crime in the US. I should point out that its illegal to marry someone just to get a green card and that most of the application processes is you convincing USCIS (previously the INS), that your marriage is genuine. Once you get the green card you're free to get divorced, even during the 'provisional' green card portion. You just have to convince them you both entered the marriage in good faith.

    As far as a student visa is concerned, you must prove you can pay for all aspects of your education including housing/eating for your entire degree period. So if you apply to a 4 year school you have to show you, or your sponsor (preferably related to you) has enough money for 4 years of tuition, room, and board along with any other expenses. Your school should have a summary of how much this is in their international admissions section. Whether or not your visa is approved is subjectively decided by whoever interviews you at the US Embassy. If you already make decent money and it's clear that you only want to go to school to start living in the US they may deny you.

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  • fleury29fleury29 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Can't bring your pot :/

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Cauld wrote: »
    One thing to note is that unlike my wife who wasn't able to come to the US while her visa was pending, you could probably just keep visiting the US for as long as a tourist visa lasts. You're not technically allowed to work while here if you're on a tourist visa, so I'm not sure how your independent contracting would work.
    This is really quite dangerous. My friend works freelance over the 'net, and he strenuously avoided doing any work while visiting the US because he was getting married and didn't want to do anything to jeopardize getting his green card. If you enter the US on a tourist visa and just stay past the limit, you're one traffic stop away from all kinds of uncomfortable questions regarding why you're still in the country and how exactly you're supporting yourself while there. If they find you've been working in the US illegally, they'll kick your ass out and put you on the "not welcome to enter our country ever again" list.

    What if OP gets injured while in the US? No citizenship means no state medical coverage, no employer means no corporate medical benefits, and no travel insurance either, since a travel insurer isn't going to cover an illegal stay. Hello five- to six-figure hospital bill! It might seem like OP could simply stay in the US and work over the internets and the relevant US authorities would be none the wiser, but there are lots of ways that plan could go awry, and some of the possible consequences are incredibly severe. It just doesn't seem worth the risk.

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Have you considered moving to the Canada's equivalent of LA? Before you laugh, I mean a major metro area with a similar artistic environment such as LA's. If that's a no go then just move to British Columbia, form what I've seen it's beeeeautiful.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I'm not worried about landing a job sans degree, i'm very capable of that, i know
    i'm worried about having them sponsor me for a visa without having a degree
    all of the websites i've looked at have said that if i try to get myself like a TN or whatever that I absolutely need a degree
    is there some way around that if the employer is getting the visa for me?

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    beavotron wrote: »
    I'm not worried about landing a job sans degree, i'm very capable of that, i know
    i'm worried about having them sponsor me for a visa without having a degree
    all of the websites i've looked at have said that if i try to get myself like a TN or whatever that I absolutely need a degree
    is there some way around that if the employer is getting the visa for me?

    The majority TN groups require at least a Baccalaureate. Plus you don't want a TN visa as it is a non resident non dual intent, so you can't do anything that makes it look like you want to stay in america ( majority of assets need to stay in Canada, can't own anything of value in us, apply for green card, etc ).

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  • John MatrixJohn Matrix Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You absolutely need a degree, my dad had to get a college professor sign off that his experience was at least the equivalent of a BA.

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You absolutely need a degree, my dad had to get a college professor sign off that his experience was at least the equivalent of a BA.

    When I was on a TA I had to show my transcripts, diploma, proof of work experience, and employment offer each time I went across the border. This is because on a TA visa you have to reapply for TN status each time you enter the US.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I keep reading online that as an artist i fit into some special category that doesn't require a degree for an H1 visa
    but I can't seem to find actual solid evidence of this.

    TN looks completely out of the question for me at this point

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    There is no absolute degree requirement. It's generally defined as being for "highly skilled" workers which is generally seen as requiring a Bachelor's degree, but that's not an absolute.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Specialty occupations have been defined as positions that require theoretical or technical expertise in a specialized field and have generally been interpreted as being those that normally require the attainment of a Bachelor's degree.[22] Typical H-1B occupations include architects, engineers, computer programmers, accountants, doctors, business managers, and college professors. The H-1B visa program also includes fashion models.

    So theoretically you may still qualify, but the next question you have to ask yourself is if you have an employer that can both justify an H-1B visa for you and is willing to go to the trouble. Without that, the rest of the theory behind this is completely moot.

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    game and film industries are two of the top in getting h1 visas for new employees! i found that fact online
    disney has an entire legal team who exists just for that reason apparently

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The downside of the H1-B process is that you will have to wait for the Oct 2011 flight of visas iirc.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I've talked to some friends who tried to do something similar, and it seems you either need a degree and/or quite a few years of experience so that the company can prove that they're bringing over someone that they can't find in the US. That is, if you want to get a company to sponsor your visa. I guess if they want you enough, they make it happen though.

    Also, mind if I ask what workshops you're taking? I'm always looking around for good art classes in LA that I can work around my work schedule. (if they're any good)

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I have determined that finishing my degree is the best option
    and since I really like it down here, I'm applying to do that at a school in the OC that is very affordable and will offer me the certification I need to eventually work down here.
    Apparently getting your degree/diploma from a US school makes your chances a bit better when applying at the border anyways, because they don't have to do a comparison audit on it.

    The school will set up my student visa and there's really no limitations on those at all for a Canadian, so I'll still get to spend my usually frost-bitten winter in beautiful Orange County!

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2010
    awesome!

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    There's also the double bonus of finally finishing my damn degree, it stresses me out all the time that I haven't finished it yet.
    And I can still do night time workshops down here and network!
    Yaaaay!

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  • Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Hey Beavs, just read. Good luck with this, it can be tough (I've got family in the process). Orange County has lovely weather and you will like it very much. Gotta ask: what is this wondrous and affordable art school you speak of? ;D

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Oh it's just the orange county college. I'm doing it for the piece of paper honestly. I need a degree to work down here so I'll finish my degree! Easy peasy.

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  • Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ah, okay. Again, good luck :)

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  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Thanks! Luckily canadians don't even need a visa to do school down here. We just need the school to issue us an I-20 and we present that and a receipt for a fee at the border and they let us do our thing.
    At least I'm from a nafta country, it really does make the whole thing easier.
    Also I've learned more about canadian/American immigration policies in the past week than I care to think about.

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  • NargorothRiPNargorothRiP Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    so beavs are your credits transfering as well?

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