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You're intentionally simplifying what happened in that scene to make it sound lame, and you're not being clever in doing so
If I'm simplifying anything, it's not intentional.
I remember him shifting the stones of the grave, cracking open the main slab, leaning in and taking the wand from Dumbledore's hand, and then firing a lightning bolt into the sky in triumph.
I mean, I guess it was cool, but as far as "awesome movie endings" go, I didn't really get that impression.
e: and if I'm coming off as trollish, I apologize. I have friends who are really into this series, and I can't figure out why. I haven't been overly impressed by any of the movies, and they've actually put me off ever reading the books, so I feel like I'm just missing something.
You're intentionally simplifying what happened in that scene to make it sound lame, and you're not being clever in doing so
If I'm simplifying anything, it's not intentional.
I remember him shifting the stones of the grave, cracking open the main slab, leaning in and taking the wand from Dumbledore's hand, and then firing a lightning bolt into the sky in triumph.
I mean, I guess it was cool, but as far as "awesome movie endings" go, I didn't really get that impression.
e: and if I'm coming off as trollish, I apologize. I have friends who are really into this series, and I can't figure out why. I haven't been overly impressed by any of the movies, and they've actually put me off ever reading the books, so I feel like I'm just missing something.
Its the most powerful wizard figuring out where is, and how to get, the most powerful wand and doing so.
There was also the Dobby scene that nobody apparently cares about for dumb reasons.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited November 2010
Dobby was basically a bit character in the movies so unless you read the books I can understand his scene not being a big deal.
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Goose!That's me, honeyShow me the way home, honeyRegistered Userregular
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I think I understand. It was something I hadn't though of until I wrote that reply.
The movies have done a poor job of character development for Harry, but they've done even worse on Voldemort. They cut out the Gaunts, which shows his first ever taste of muggles (his father abandoning his mother who made him a love potion to begin with), his desire for famous objects, and his connection to Hogwarts. But they also left out the arrogance. The scene with the cave in HBP cut the part about Voldy not thinking a young wizard was worth anything, and the scene with Kreacher failed to show his disregard for House Elves or other creatures deemed beneath him. Dobby being a house elf and overcoming the Death Eaters and providing an escape when it felt like there was none is a big part of that scene that they essentially did not flesh out in the series or the movie.
I really really wish they waited until all the books were finished before they started making the movies. There were such subtle things in the first few books that had major impacts in later books. For example:
In the OOtP movie, Snape's worst memory was when James was fucking with Snape in high school. In the 7th book, you find out that, the reason it was his worst memory, was because he called Lily a mudblood and that was the last time she talked to him.
Also, at the beginning of book 5 when Harry is talking about Dementors, Petunia is explaining that the reason she knows about them is because she overheard her sister talking about Azkaban with 'that filthy boy.' At the time you assume it's James, but you find out in the 7th book that Petunia was really talking about Snape
Stuff like that adds nice subtlety that, to me, is kind of important to the motivations of a lot of the characters.
Don't even get me started on the movie's reveal of the Half Blood Prince.
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jackalFuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse.Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
The ending had several women in the theater crying. It made me a little uncomfortable.
I think I understand. It was something I hadn't though of until I wrote that reply.
The movies have done a poor job of character development for Harry, but they've done even worse on Voldemort. They cut out the Gaunts, which shows his first ever taste of muggles (his father abandoning his mother who made him a love potion to begin with), his desire for famous objects, and his connection to Hogwarts. But they also left out the arrogance. The scene with the cave in HBP cut the part about Voldy not thinking a young wizard was worth anything, and the scene with Kreacher failed to show his disregard for House Elves or other creatures deemed beneath him. Dobby being a house elf and overcoming the Death Eaters and providing an escape when it felt like there was none is a big part of that scene that they essentially did not flesh out in the series or the movie.
Its a bummer sometimes when they cut stuff.
Yeah, I mean, Voldemort and Dobby have had, at this point in the movies, about the same amount of screen time. Which is absolutely ridiculous. The movies have little-to-no characterization for the main antagonist, he's just evil for evil's sake. I don't even think the movies do a very good job of explaining/emphasizing why Harry is so goddamn special.
I guess if you've read the books, you can connect the dots and you know why things are the way they are. But I'm just going off the movies. People obviously have a love for the books, but if the books are in any way as decent as people claim they are, the movies are doing a piss-poor job of capturing it.
I really really wish they waited until all the books were finished before they started making the movies. There were such subtle things in the first few books that had major impacts in later books. For example:
In the OOtP movie, Snape's worst memory was when James was fucking with Snape in high school. In the 7th book, you find out that, the reason it was his worst memory, was because he called Lily a mudblood and that was the last time she talked to him.
Also, at the beginning of book 5 when Harry is talking about Dementors, Petunia is explaining that the reason she knows about them is because she overheard her sister talking about Azkaban with 'that filthy boy.' At the time you assume it's James, but you find out in the 7th book that Petunia was really talking about Snape
Stuff like that adds nice subtlety that, to me, is kind of important to the motivations of a lot of the characters.
Don't even get me started on the movie's reveal of the Half Blood Prince.
The weird thing is, Rowling had oversight on the films and could have included those kinds of small things if she had chosen to
They were going to cut out Kreacher for time and money reasons in OOTP but she claimed it was vital that he be left in...but yet the stuff you mentioned wasn't? The second thing you mentioned is just more of a neat touch but I think the first thing was pretty vital to have, and I was so pissed that Snape's memory in OOTP was essentially a five-second photo montage.
Well, the movies are much shorter than the books, so there is less character time in them. But I'm honestly not sure if they would be anywhere near as good films for me if I hadn't read that books first.
Well, the movies are much shorter than the books, so there is less character time in them. But I'm honestly not sure if they would be anywhere near as good films for me if I hadn't read that books first.
Seeing the films up through Goblet inspired me to pick up and read the series the whole way through
I think Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince would have lost me had I not read the books already
I still prefer the film version of Goblet over the book though, which is one of the few adaptations I can honestly say that about
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edited November 2010
How the hell could you prefer that film over the book out of all of them?
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It moved along at a really brisk pace and cut out a ton of unnecessary fat
Some people call it a highlight reel and have issues with it for that reason
But seeing as the driving force behind the book is three big tasks and then a showdown with Voldemort, I felt that's all it really needed to be.
No Quidditch World Cup, no SPEW, just the trials, the Yule Ball, the graveyard and just enough characterization inbetween. I thought it worked incredibly well as a film.
Also, unlike Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix surrounding it, it tells an entertaining story without leaving out key elements that will be vital later on (like the Marauders or Snape's memory)
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I really really wish they waited until all the books were finished before they started making the movies. There were such subtle things in the first few books that had major impacts in later books. For example:
In the OOtP movie, Snape's worst memory was when James was fucking with Snape in high school. In the 7th book, you find out that, the reason it was his worst memory, was because he called Lily a mudblood and that was the last time she talked to him.
Also, at the beginning of book 5 when Harry is talking about Dementors, Petunia is explaining that the reason she knows about them is because she overheard her sister talking about Azkaban with 'that filthy boy.' At the time you assume it's James, but you find out in the 7th book that Petunia was really talking about Snape
Stuff like that adds nice subtlety that, to me, is kind of important to the motivations of a lot of the characters.
Don't even get me started on the movie's reveal of the Half Blood Prince.
The weird thing is, Rowling had oversight on the films and could have included those kinds of small things if she had chosen to
They were going to cut out Kreacher for time and money reasons in OOTP but she claimed it was vital that he be left in...but yet the stuff you mentioned wasn't? The second thing you mentioned is just more of a neat touch but I think the first thing was pretty vital to have, and I was so pissed that Snape's memory in OOTP was essentially a five-second photo montage.
Rowling also mentioned she had to step in to prevent a line from Dumbledore about him having a crush on a girl when he was young, because at the point nobody knew Dumbledore was gay.
I think when you get down to it, Rowling had to pick her battles as to what was absolutely essential and not, since the plot was getting slashed and burned down to the bare essentials one way or the other.
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Vargas PrimeKing of NothingJust a ShowRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
There's no missing the point
If Dobby's death is supposed to represent something, that's fine. If Harry burying him by hand is supposed to be some kind of honorable gesture, that's fine too.
But they built that scene as an emotional character moment to end the movie on and failed to explain why they couldn't just save Dobby like they saved Ron earlier, and it was a character who they gave a single 5 minute scene for us to care about.
That's just how he was in her head, and she mentioned it at a Q&A
It's not a bad thing though, and certainly not "the stupidest thing"
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Vargas PrimeKing of NothingJust a ShowRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Internet hyperbole and all that
But still. It's such a strange thing to put out there. Why would you imagine him either way if you never bothered to address it at all in thousands of pages of written story?
Well it explains his "friendship" with Grindelwald.
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Goose!That's me, honeyShow me the way home, honeyRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
Because they're characters she has been building up for around 20 years and 7 books as you mentioned? I would think that the author would know everything about their own characters, even if they don't choose to write about everything.
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jackalFuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse.Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
Plus because of his age I'm sure man butts was pretty low on the list of things he concerned himself with.
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edited November 2010
Yeah.. Dumbledore is like 150 years old or so, in the middle of a war.
There really wasn't any reason for his sexuality to come up at all until the seventh book, by which time he's dead and all the information Harry learns about him is secondhand. I didn't find it difficult to put two and two together to realise that he'd
been in love with Gellert
based on what we learn, and it's actually a pretty significant part of Dumbledore's backstory, so why shouldn't Rowling say that (when prompted by a direct question at a Q&A)?
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You made your point about it apparently being symbolic of a loss of innocence. I personally don't think so and I think you're giving Rowling too much credit, but it very well might be the case.
Does that make me care about Dobby? No.
Does that make Dobby suddenly showing up and dying an emotional moment for me? No.
I do get a little annoyed at the flowery and overt attempt to pull at my heartstrings for a character I never cared for or liked though.
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The "oh Dumbledore was gay bee tee dubs" thing smacks of revisionist activism and attention-whoring, is why people find it annoying
But it is neither revisionist (as his relationship with Gellert is in the goddamn final book, and there's never mention of a lady in his life which is always something that is pointed to when speculating someone is gay) nor attention whoring (she never brought it up and never would have brought it up, if not for the fan asked question. And when she did answer that and everyone applauded, she said if she had known she would have gotten this response she would have said it a long time ago).
So, what you're saying is, people find it annoying for dumb reasons.
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The worst thing about that whole thing was the amount of people who were like "Dumbledore is gay? MY CHILDHOOD...RUIIIINED!"
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The "oh Dumbledore was gay bee tee dubs" thing smacks of revisionist activism and attention-whoring, is why people find it annoying
But it is neither revisionist (as his relationship with Gellert is in the goddamn final book, and there's never mention of a lady in his life which is always something that is pointed to when speculating someone is gay) nor attention whoring (she never brought it up and never would have brought it up, if not for the fan asked question. And when she did answer that and everyone applauded, she said if she had known she would have gotten this response she would have said it a long time ago).
So, what you're saying is, people find it annoying for dumb reasons.
that's not how it happened at all but ok
and everybody just thought it was a bromance until she said anything
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The "oh Dumbledore was gay bee tee dubs" thing smacks of revisionist activism and attention-whoring, is why people find it annoying
But it is neither revisionist (as his relationship with Gellert is in the goddamn final book, and there's never mention of a lady in his life which is always something that is pointed to when speculating someone is gay) nor attention whoring (she never brought it up and never would have brought it up, if not for the fan asked question. And when she did answer that and everyone applauded, she said if she had known she would have gotten this response she would have said it a long time ago).
So, what you're saying is, people find it annoying for dumb reasons.
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If I'm simplifying anything, it's not intentional.
I remember him shifting the stones of the grave, cracking open the main slab, leaning in and taking the wand from Dumbledore's hand, and then firing a lightning bolt into the sky in triumph.
I mean, I guess it was cool, but as far as "awesome movie endings" go, I didn't really get that impression.
e: and if I'm coming off as trollish, I apologize. I have friends who are really into this series, and I can't figure out why. I haven't been overly impressed by any of the movies, and they've actually put me off ever reading the books, so I feel like I'm just missing something.
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And both of those scenes were pretty big down notes
Its the most powerful wizard figuring out where is, and how to get, the most powerful wand and doing so.
There was also the Dobby scene that nobody apparently cares about for dumb reasons.
The movies have done a poor job of character development for Harry, but they've done even worse on Voldemort. They cut out the Gaunts, which shows his first ever taste of muggles (his father abandoning his mother who made him a love potion to begin with), his desire for famous objects, and his connection to Hogwarts. But they also left out the arrogance. The scene with the cave in HBP cut the part about Voldy not thinking a young wizard was worth anything, and the scene with Kreacher failed to show his disregard for House Elves or other creatures deemed beneath him. Dobby being a house elf and overcoming the Death Eaters and providing an escape when it felt like there was none is a big part of that scene that they essentially did not flesh out in the series or the movie.
Its a bummer sometimes when they cut stuff.
Also, at the beginning of book 5 when Harry is talking about Dementors, Petunia is explaining that the reason she knows about them is because she overheard her sister talking about Azkaban with 'that filthy boy.' At the time you assume it's James, but you find out in the 7th book that Petunia was really talking about Snape
Stuff like that adds nice subtlety that, to me, is kind of important to the motivations of a lot of the characters.
Don't even get me started on the movie's reveal of the Half Blood Prince.
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Yeah, I mean, Voldemort and Dobby have had, at this point in the movies, about the same amount of screen time. Which is absolutely ridiculous. The movies have little-to-no characterization for the main antagonist, he's just evil for evil's sake. I don't even think the movies do a very good job of explaining/emphasizing why Harry is so goddamn special.
I guess if you've read the books, you can connect the dots and you know why things are the way they are. But I'm just going off the movies. People obviously have a love for the books, but if the books are in any way as decent as people claim they are, the movies are doing a piss-poor job of capturing it.
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The weird thing is, Rowling had oversight on the films and could have included those kinds of small things if she had chosen to
They were going to cut out Kreacher for time and money reasons in OOTP but she claimed it was vital that he be left in...but yet the stuff you mentioned wasn't? The second thing you mentioned is just more of a neat touch but I think the first thing was pretty vital to have, and I was so pissed that Snape's memory in OOTP was essentially a five-second photo montage.
Seeing the films up through Goblet inspired me to pick up and read the series the whole way through
I think Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince would have lost me had I not read the books already
I still prefer the film version of Goblet over the book though, which is one of the few adaptations I can honestly say that about
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Some people call it a highlight reel and have issues with it for that reason
But seeing as the driving force behind the book is three big tasks and then a showdown with Voldemort, I felt that's all it really needed to be.
No Quidditch World Cup, no SPEW, just the trials, the Yule Ball, the graveyard and just enough characterization inbetween. I thought it worked incredibly well as a film.
Also, unlike Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix surrounding it, it tells an entertaining story without leaving out key elements that will be vital later on (like the Marauders or Snape's memory)
Or still completely miss the point.
Rowling also mentioned she had to step in to prevent a line from Dumbledore about him having a crush on a girl when he was young, because at the point nobody knew Dumbledore was gay.
I think when you get down to it, Rowling had to pick her battles as to what was absolutely essential and not, since the plot was getting slashed and burned down to the bare essentials one way or the other.
If Dobby's death is supposed to represent something, that's fine. If Harry burying him by hand is supposed to be some kind of honorable gesture, that's fine too.
But they built that scene as an emotional character moment to end the movie on and failed to explain why they couldn't just save Dobby like they saved Ron earlier, and it was a character who they gave a single 5 minute scene for us to care about.
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Well, except for effecting his relationship with Grindelwald.
Or even look back after knowing that he's gay and realize that it would never have made a difference
then what's the point?
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There's no point to him being straight, either
That's just how he was in her head, and she mentioned it at a Q&A
It's not a bad thing though, and certainly not "the stupidest thing"
But still. It's such a strange thing to put out there. Why would you imagine him either way if you never bothered to address it at all in thousands of pages of written story?
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There really wasn't any reason for his sexuality to come up at all until the seventh book, by which time he's dead and all the information Harry learns about him is secondhand. I didn't find it difficult to put two and two together to realise that he'd
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No I don't think I am.
You made your point about it apparently being symbolic of a loss of innocence. I personally don't think so and I think you're giving Rowling too much credit, but it very well might be the case.
Does that make me care about Dobby? No.
Does that make Dobby suddenly showing up and dying an emotional moment for me? No.
I do get a little annoyed at the flowery and overt attempt to pull at my heartstrings for a character I never cared for or liked though.
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But it is neither revisionist (as his relationship with Gellert is in the goddamn final book, and there's never mention of a lady in his life which is always something that is pointed to when speculating someone is gay) nor attention whoring (she never brought it up and never would have brought it up, if not for the fan asked question. And when she did answer that and everyone applauded, she said if she had known she would have gotten this response she would have said it a long time ago).
So, what you're saying is, people find it annoying for dumb reasons.
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"showed a little of that"? Not all homosexuals are flamboyant stereotypes.
that's not how it happened at all but ok
and everybody just thought it was a bromance until she said anything
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