The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Equilibrium (Underrated movie)

KadokenKadoken Giving Ends to my Friends and it Feels StupendousRegistered User regular
edited November 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Equilibrium-movie-poster.jpg

Equilibrium is set in the futuristic and dystopian city-state of Libria. After a Third World War devastated the Earth, a fascist state emerged whose ideology determined human emotion to be the root cause of conflict. All emotionally stimulating material is banned and "sense offenders" are ruthlessly persecuted. A drug called Prozium is passed out at "Equilibrium" centers. The drug dulls all emotion from happiness to pain.

At the pinnacle of Librian law enforcement are the Grammaton Clerics, who are trained in the deadly martial art of Gun Kata (A fictional martial art that uses guns to maximum efficiency in kiling targets).

The protagonist of the film is a high ranking Grammaton Cleric named John Preston, who is seeing the world around him for what it is for the first time after he kills his partner and sees what he has been destroying this whole time.

So yeah I love this damn movie. It is in the top 10 of my favorite movies, and I just freaking love it. The action, the story, the lead character, and the atmosphere. It's awesome. This movie got me reading Fahrenheit 451, whci I also loved. So I was suprised to hear that a lot of movie critics do not like this movie, and no, I didn't just get this from the Penny-Arcade newsletter for that certain comic.
215196957_zPS8o-L-2.jpg
Pretty much my biggest problem with this movie is the main villain. He sucks. The rest of the characters are awesome, from Christian Bale to the rebels, but he sucks. Why are you smiling jack-ass? Your an elite soldier in a dystopia that doesn't allow feelings, you need to stop smiling. The good part is, he isn't a villain you see in every other scene. He's definitely not overplayed to annoyance. I think the main villain is the government of that dystopia. You see how it works, and how it brain washes its citizens.

So, just like my other threads I don't even think that this will get much traffic, I'd just like to discuss it.

Kadoken on
«13456

Posts

  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think it's an okay movie but once you start thinking about it at all it just falls apart.

    Like, uh, gun-kata.

    I did manage to convince my chemistry teacher to let us watch it in class because we were doing a unit on equilibrium at the time, so, that was pretty cool.

    Reznik on
    Do... Re.... Mi... Ti... La...
    Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
    Forget it...
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Counterpoint: Equilibrium was a trite, poorly acted movie with a terrible storyline and no redeeming features.

    Discuss!

    adytum on
  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    Counterpoint: Equilibrium was a trite, poorly acted movie with a terribly storyline and no redeeming features.

    Discuss!

    The redeeming feature is a lot of dudes get shot.

    You don't watch Equilibrium for the story or the acting.

    Reznik on
    Do... Re.... Mi... Ti... La...
    Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
    Forget it...
  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think that movie's pretty rated. Not over, not under. Just rated.

    Peen on
  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Question: How the hell would people have marriages in the future if they aren't allowed to have any feelings? That never made any sense.

    Delta Assault on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    If I want to see dudes getting shot with little to no pretense of acting or story, I'll watch Rambo IV. Equilibrium is a poor Rambo IV substitute!

    adytum on
  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yeah I think the movie is correctly-rated. When I watch it, I watch only the parts where people get shot/pistol-whipped/stabbed. The way God intended.

    KalTorak on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    If I want to see dudes getting shot with little to no pretense of acting or story, I'll watch Rambo IV. Equilibrium is a poor Rambo IV substitute!

    Honestly Rambo 4 is the perfect guys getting shot movie. You have very horrible awful villains, being horrible and awful (and the worst part that parts pretty realistic as far as burma goes) and then a cathartic annihilation of those very bad people.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Question: How the hell would people have marriages in the future if they aren't allowed to have any feelings? That never made any sense.

    Probably get assigned to a spouse like in The Giver or something.

    KalTorak on
  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    i don't think it's really underrated

    unpopular, maybe, and critically shit on

    but in the sense of hey man did you see this bitchin movie with batman and gun kung fu

    almost everyone i know who's seen it, likes it

    Organichu on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Preacher knows what's up.

    adytum on
  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    People who don't like Equilibrium are scum, but they have their reasons, wrong reasons, but understandable reasons none the less.

    People who don't like the final fight scene are fucking insane.

    Single takes, it was mostly shot with single takes as they didn't have the time to reshoot. It. Is. Jaw. Dropping.

    And the fact that the DVD had an option just to watch the fight scenes, cutting out the rest of the movie, shows that Wimmer understood what the film was about.

    Alistair Hutton on
    I have a thoughtful and infrequently updated blog about games http://whatithinkaboutwhenithinkaboutgames.wordpress.com/

    I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.

    Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Question: How the hell would people have marriages in the future if they aren't allowed to have any feelings? That never made any sense.

    Arranged marriages just like in 1984 and India.

    Next question.

    DanHibiki on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Actually, there was one redeeming feature.

    Woody Harrelson's character in Zombieland did Gun-Fu, which made me laugh.

    Then I hung my head in shame because I knew what movie it was referencing.

    adytum on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    And it was when I was watching one horrible movie reference another horrible movie that I truly knew I watch too many horrible movies.

    adytum on
  • CowSharkCowShark Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Look, when Bruce Lee's ghost shows up to teach somebody kung fu, then I'll start worrying.

    Equilibrium was rad. The hand trapping with guns fight was one of the coolest fights in movies.

    Too bad Kurt Wimmer took the pull from this--debatable quality--movie to go make Ultraviolet, which nobody will stick up for.

    CowShark on
  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I really liked the part where he unintentionally turns on the record player,
    and you don't consciously register the music starting until he freezes, looks at the record player, and starts weeping. That one moment was excellent!

    desc on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    Counterpoint: Equilibrium was a trite, poorly acted movie with a terribly storyline and no redeeming features.

    Discuss!

    This movie crossed my suspension-of-disbelief threshold.

    I didn't like the fight scenes, because to me they looked... well, they looked stupid.

    And the rest of the movie was pretty throwaway. I've long grown out of dystopia-of-the-week stories, and this particular dystopia was pretty rehashed.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    adytum wrote: »
    Counterpoint: Equilibrium was a trite, poorly acted movie with a terribly storyline and no redeeming features.

    Discuss!

    This movie crossed my suspension-of-disbelief threshold.

    I didn't like the fight scenes, because to me they looked... well, they looked stupid.

    And the rest of the movie was pretty throwaway. I've long grown out of dystopia-of-the-week stories, and this particular dystopia was pretty rehashed.

    Why do I only notice my spelling errors after someone quotes me?

    All-in-all it was a poor movie. The fight choreography was fun, but you're right, the whole premise was just ridiculous and uninspiring.

    adytum on
  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I was pretty sure Equilibrium (and maaaaaybe American Psycho) landed Bale the role of Batman. That being the case, I can assure you this movie's doing just fine. Didn't they re-release it a few times with extra cuts and things?

    Doing just fine.

    Dark City, now. That's a movie the deserves more recognition.

    Linespider5 on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Dark City is fantastic, and it's the only movie I own on Blu-Ray.

    However, the visual effects towards the end of the movie have not aged well at all.

    adytum on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Dark City is a really great stylish movie, best version of the matrix.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yeah, I'm willing to forgive Equilibrium its flaws because it helped put Bale on the map as an action hero.

    And, yes, Dark City is fantastic.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I think the biggest sin of equilibrium is its too long, and its not even a very long movie, but my god do they drag out the "point" of the film.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    And it was when I was watching one horrible movie reference another horrible movie that I truly knew I watch too many horrible movies.

    Did you just call Zombieland horrible?

    Mortal Sky on
  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I am with everyone else saying that Equilibrium is neither overrated nor underrated

    I don't personally think it should be on a top 10 list, but it was a very fun movie

    Nocturne on
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    adytum wrote: »
    And it was when I was watching one horrible movie reference another horrible movie that I truly knew I watch too many horrible movies.

    Did you just call Zombieland horrible?

    Horrible.

    Except for Bill Murray. He's always a class act.

    adytum on
  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The only thing I clearly remember about Equilibrium is screaming at the screen "Stop standing in circles around him! That only leads to perfectly circular corpse-piles!"

    durandal4532 on
    We're all in this together
  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I love Equilibrium.

    That said, Equilibrium is what most RPGs would look like. Dozen mooks unload on a PC from five feet away and none of them hit because his AC is too high.

    HamHamJ on
    While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I love Equilibrium.

    That said, Equilibrium is what most RPGs would look like. Dozen mooks unload on a PC from five feet away and none of them hit because his AC is too high.

    That's brilliant. Don't forget the useless NPCs that inevitably die even if the PC tries to save them.

    That's really, really spot on.

    Linespider5 on
  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    It also is the type of movie that you would have if you tried to turn a "totally awesome RPG" into a movie

    Some fun action and a handful of cool scenes with rather meh acting and plot

    Nocturne on
  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Equilibrium was a fun film, and I have the dvd for when I feel like watching a bunch of cool fights.

    Rhan9 on
  • JuliusJulius Captain of Serenity on my shipRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    adytum wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    adytum wrote: »
    And it was when I was watching one horrible movie reference another horrible movie that I truly knew I watch too many horrible movies.

    Did you just call Zombieland horrible?

    Horrible.

    Except for Bill Murray. He's always a class act.

    Your opinion is wrong!

    Julius on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Equilibrium was alright. Fun to watch.

    Quid on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The only thing I clearly remember about Equilibrium is screaming at the screen "Stop standing in circles around him! That only leads to perfectly circular corpse-piles!"

    The gun-kata skill is actually in the ninjitsu talent tree, which makes it subject to the Inverse Ninja Rule. This is a feature, not an exploit.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Equilibrium had excellently choreographed action scenes and Bale's acting was quite good. Unfortunately the script was a bunch of unbelievable bullshit, which detracted from my enjoyment of it a bit. If they re-wrote it to make the setting a little less obviously stupid it could have been better than The Matrix. (I mean, Bale is one hell of a better actor than Keanu Reeves).

    Daedalus on
  • KlashKlash Lost... ... in the rainRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Equilibrium sure is a thing. The first time I saw it, I thought it was great. Second time I saw it... well, I saw it.

    The damn thing made no sense in any way. What really pissed me off was that every God damned character displayed obvious emotion. Worst Spock impressions I've ever seen. They should have all been purged in fire... because, apparently, ultraviolence is the way of peace and when you aren't emotional, instead of simple and quick execution, you burn people alive.

    So stupid. Still fun.

    Also, Dark City is the best thing I own. Saw that one night when it was a national sci-fi channel and it was just amazing. Once I found out its name, I was all over it.

    Zombieland is great, too, and people must be crazy to declare otherwise.

    Klash on
    We don't even care... whether we care or not...
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    gun kata is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen on a screen

    the movie produced some relatively entertaining violence but all in all it was not worth a second watch

    Evil Multifarious on
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    When I first saw Equilibrium I was reading We for a class on Russian Literature around the revolution.

    OptimusZed on
    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Julius wrote: »
    adytum wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    adytum wrote: »
    And it was when I was watching one horrible movie reference another horrible movie that I truly knew I watch too many horrible movies.

    Did you just call Zombieland horrible?

    Horrible.

    Except for Bill Murray. He's always a class act.

    Your opinion is wrong!

    no u!

    adytum on
Sign In or Register to comment.