well, BW is viewed to be almost completely balanced, which is a pretty unlikely and hard thing to do.
In their defense
I think sc2 currently is quite balanced and after a while probably will be as much as BW. and it looks nicer and whatnot. It's not as hard to balance a game like this as people make it out to be, companies other than blizzard just suck at it
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
I now fully understand how much people hate ZvZ.
This game was just horrid. It was awful, stressful, constantly annoying me, and the worst part was I knew my opponent was so terrible but ZvZ can be over in a matter of seconds if you make a batch of drones with larvae that should have been units, and the constant tenseness is horrible.
This match is pretty cool though, but it was pretty onesided after about 6mins in, he just didn't have an answer to the fact that he'd stayed on 1base so long while I got two up and then a third. I kept scouting him and all of the far away locations (speedlings are so great for checking out the map), not really believing that he was on 1base, but sure enough he was.
The beginning of the game was pretty tense though, at one point I was sure I'd lost it when speedlings moved up my ramp but I forgot I'd just made 7 roaches so yay
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and weigh in that Race to Diamond for Charity is a bad idea. This just needs to be a fun community thing, where the better players in the community help the shittier players get better.
Also, CSL Code A or whatever doesn't need to be complicated. Just make Code S for Diamonds, Code A for the rest of us nubs, and have two brackets.
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FrankoSometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeatRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
plus BW is seen as being harder to play and more difficult to master. Which is quite true on an APM level
SC2 is much more user friendly
plus BW is seen as being harder to play and more difficult to master. Which is quite true on an APM level
SC2 is much more user friendly
there are levels to how much that is a good thing though
I think we can all agree, smart casting? a good change
worker rally? a smart change
unlimited size control groups? a good change
but you need to be careful what you make easier
those of you guys who played SC:BW at high level...ie Dangerisk etc, do you feel like you'd go back to BW after playing SC2?
ya well its all those things I like but a hardcore BW player not like
because when you play the game for 10 years learning how to cast and rally your own probes becomes a skill
a skill I don't have so Ill keep playing SC2
is there somewhere i can find out how many games as zerg or as toss or as terran ive played? i play solely random so i am wondering how much farther some of those portraits are.
For those intrigued as a few asked me about it on sc2 last night, here is 2 games in a row that i was talking about on ladder last night, 2 separate terrans decided a 2 rax all in was advisable, one with added scvs.
oh fuck i have just realized how badly hurt im going to be in the csl
Are you the one who just unregistered?
What league are you in? I might start CSL lite next week.
At least, I think that's the name I will use. Not certain yet...
yes
but that was also partly because of some stuff i will have to do later on tonight
3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
So kedinik...we meet again.
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mosssnackYeah right, man, Bishop should go!Good idea!Registered Userregular
edited January 2011
I shouldn't be too long. I'm getting off of duty here in about an hour and will be at a friends house for a little bit. Ideally I should be back and ready to go about 15min before 8est
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Everyone should be watching the GosuCoaching Premier League qualifiers right now.
Awesome macro game between Stalife and OptikZero going on right now.
Klyka: Dangerisk said SC2 to BW is as checkers is to chess yesterday. And anyways, you can't really blame the BW crowd for being resentful when 1) SC2 has almost completely overtaken TL (no English content or commentators) 2) Blizzard is fucking with MSL/OSL.
And if it was that article on TL about GOM failing, that has nothing to do with BW fans. It was just a Korean article which reported GoM had very underwhelming live audience turnout (only 500 people showing up in a 5000 person stadium).
I agree with morrow even if these maps aren't the best now at least it's a start
If sentries and colossi weren't robots, I'm pretty sure they'd be laughing maniacally right about now.
Still, it is a step in the right direction. Next step is getting having other big name tournaments use some of these maps (IEM, MLG) and having a ladder which uses them as well.
ahaha the checkers to chess comparison is horrible
BW was harder to play because of mechanics. ONLY BECAUSE OF MECHANICS. the level and depth of strategy is probably about the same in both games.
people who say sc2 doesnt at least have the potential to be better or equivalent to bw are pretty much just being elitist clowns
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
I'm with iowa on this one.
The strategies may seem more developed or robust or something but BW has also been around for 12 years and a lot of this stuff has been massively refined and developed. SC2 is not even half a year old.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
"I'm really good with numbers, I can read numbers so easy."
id be interested to see if anyone who looks down on sc2 can actually come up with a solid reason with respect to its strategic aspects that makes it worse than bw.
all of the strategic elements in bw are still in sc2, with some new ones thrown in. if anything, sc2 is strategically more complex.
that being said, just because it's more complex, doesn't mean it's better.
personally, i think bw is a better game. but that doesn't mean sc2 is like checkers. if anything, sc2 is like super chess - the only problem is, it isn't as balanced or refined as original chess.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
lol, eh I shouldn't have posted that checkers part. I'm pretty sure Dangerisk was being half-serious at most anyways (he was mocking Lemming). Didn't really want to turn it into a BW vs SC2 discussion either, just wanted to explain that thread on TL with the GoM/SC2 failing.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
edited January 2011
I should make a thread on TL titled "BW and SC2 are the exact same game".
I'm pretty sure I'd be the only one butthurt (even though I don't watch or play BW anymore lol), everyone on PA is pretty anti-BW.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
edited January 2011
I like the people who say that Sc2 is shit because it is easier to play than BW.
Like, as if BW being really hard to control and manage somehow makes it awesome. No, it doesn't.
BW is awesome because it is the game it is. I don't care if anyone could control it. I don#t care if a fucking baby could play BW by shouting "GUGUG!! GAGAGAGA!!" at the screen to make units run around.
As long as I can see entertaining matches and play entertaining matches myself, then it is a great and awesome game.
I mean, seriously, it's as if fans of 100m running would tell Usain Bolt "Oh hey you are pretty fast and all, but how about hacking off your legs and running in the Paralympics? Those are for REAL runners!"
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In their defense
I think sc2 currently is quite balanced and after a while probably will be as much as BW. and it looks nicer and whatnot. It's not as hard to balance a game like this as people make it out to be, companies other than blizzard just suck at it
This game was just horrid. It was awful, stressful, constantly annoying me, and the worst part was I knew my opponent was so terrible but ZvZ can be over in a matter of seconds if you make a batch of drones with larvae that should have been units, and the constant tenseness is horrible.
This match is pretty cool though, but it was pretty onesided after about 6mins in, he just didn't have an answer to the fact that he'd stayed on 1base so long while I got two up and then a third. I kept scouting him and all of the far away locations (speedlings are so great for checking out the map), not really believing that he was on 1base, but sure enough he was.
The beginning of the game was pretty tense though, at one point I was sure I'd lost it when speedlings moved up my ramp but I forgot I'd just made 7 roaches so yay
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=179258
Also, CSL Code A or whatever doesn't need to be complicated. Just make Code S for Diamonds, Code A for the rest of us nubs, and have two brackets.
SC2 is much more user friendly
there are levels to how much that is a good thing though
I think we can all agree, smart casting? a good change
worker rally? a smart change
unlimited size control groups? a good change
but you need to be careful what you make easier
those of you guys who played SC:BW at high level...ie Dangerisk etc, do you feel like you'd go back to BW after playing SC2?
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ya well its all those things I like but a hardcore BW player not like
because when you play the game for 10 years learning how to cast and rally your own probes becomes a skill
a skill I don't have so Ill keep playing SC2
I agree with morrow even if these maps aren't the best now at least it's a start
so awesome
the graphics in this game truly are beautiful
dudes going to die
This one with token expansion
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yes
but that was also partly because of some stuff i will have to do later on tonight
I need to like, go exercise or something, christ.
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Awesome macro game between Stalife and OptikZero going on right now.
only cuz gretorps casting it!!!
literally tabbed open teamliquid in .2 seconds once you said this
And if it was that article on TL about GOM failing, that has nothing to do with BW fans. It was just a Korean article which reported GoM had very underwhelming live audience turnout (only 500 people showing up in a 5000 person stadium).
If sentries and colossi weren't robots, I'm pretty sure they'd be laughing maniacally right about now.
Still, it is a step in the right direction. Next step is getting having other big name tournaments use some of these maps (IEM, MLG) and having a ladder which uses them as well.
BW was harder to play because of mechanics. ONLY BECAUSE OF MECHANICS. the level and depth of strategy is probably about the same in both games.
people who say sc2 doesnt at least have the potential to be better or equivalent to bw are pretty much just being elitist clowns
The strategies may seem more developed or robust or something but BW has also been around for 12 years and a lot of this stuff has been massively refined and developed. SC2 is not even half a year old.
I love Gretorp so much.
all of the strategic elements in bw are still in sc2, with some new ones thrown in. if anything, sc2 is strategically more complex.
that being said, just because it's more complex, doesn't mean it's better.
personally, i think bw is a better game. but that doesn't mean sc2 is like checkers. if anything, sc2 is like super chess - the only problem is, it isn't as balanced or refined as original chess.
People really love their BW.
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The amount of butthurt would be beautiful.
Like, as if BW being really hard to control and manage somehow makes it awesome. No, it doesn't.
BW is awesome because it is the game it is. I don't care if anyone could control it. I don#t care if a fucking baby could play BW by shouting "GUGUG!! GAGAGAGA!!" at the screen to make units run around.
As long as I can see entertaining matches and play entertaining matches myself, then it is a great and awesome game.
I mean, seriously, it's as if fans of 100m running would tell Usain Bolt "Oh hey you are pretty fast and all, but how about hacking off your legs and running in the Paralympics? Those are for REAL runners!"
Just stupid, is all.