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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Riemann, if you're still around, I'll bite: what new stuff does this book you're reading have on the hyksos? I thought they were kind of a huge question mark.

    Well the classicial picture of them is that they were from an "obscure" country somewhat distant and unknown to the Egyptians and came in conquering with horse drawn chariots as their advantage. This often got mixed up with ideas about possible Hurrian or even Indo-Aryan origins for them.

    This being based largely on quotes from Manetho (writing in the 3rd century BC, so 1600-1700 years after the fact) which were preserved in Josephus and a couple other places.

    The "hyksos" were not a race or people but a greek garbling of the ancient egyptian for "Ruler of Foreign Lands" and the greek word often translated as "obscure" also means "vile" which was the usual egyptian way to refer to anyone east of Egypt (especially the closer ones in what today would be called Palestine, Syria and Israel).

    Archeology in the meantime has found more inscriptions and pottery from the hyksos occupation of Egypt and found them to be west-semitic in their names (the Egyptians of the middle kingdom who eventually overthrew them refered to them as "'mw" or west-semitic speakers). Their pottery is identical to MBIIb pottery from contemporay Palestine and Pheonicia.

    So the hyksos were the very people the Egyptian old kingdom had been, when strong, constantly raiding and levying tribute from. Byblos of course is a powerful city in that region but anywhere between (but not including) the Lebanon ranges and the Judean highlands could be their origin (and a coalition of many is most likely).

    I thought this is what the story of Joseph in the bible was was about. Western semetic tribes moving in and gaining positions of authority, like the Germans in the the later Roman Empire. Then a blank space where the native Egyptians reassert themselves and enslave the Israelites. Then Moses.

    Speaker on
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I think the AV club guy probably approaches games from a different place than most of us do

    I think he looks at games the same way a lot of people here look at politics.

    If it isn't amazing and mind blowing and revolutionary its absolute shit.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    awww av club gave dead space 2 a C+

    their main complaint was 'more of the same' which means I'll probably love the shit out of it

    Sequel to popular franchise doesn't radically change the way the game is played. Whoever did that review is a tard. DS 2 is a perfect follow up and much like aliens just ups the ante.

    they may be basing it on the assassin's creed 2 metric, which smoothed out the flaws in the game and greatly expanded the universe and what you could do.

    I do predict I will really enjoy deadspace 2 though

    But thats not fair AC 1 was filled with issues, compared to DS 1 which really didn't.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    whereas the film was probably made at 24 or 23.98 fps

    so you're adding in frames via interpolation

    with an SD DVD you're going 24 -> 60i -> whatever the fuck your tv is doing to it

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    oh just wanted to add something to what I wrote above about time scales: since words like "semitic" and "palestine" have some rather loaded meanings nowadays remember that when I am talking about the Hyksos this would have been at least 700 years before the time when the stories about Moses and the Exodus take place (and about 1300 years before they were written).

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    going to my mums to watch House

    check you folks later

    like at 9:05 :P

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Echo wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    Working on an article about the Rift beta.

    Been a while since I got published on dead trees.

    I cant wait till the next beta starts. I want to start trying out melee rogues with a ranger.

    Going to try a tanky warrior myself, but I'll focus on the cleric.

    Paladin is one of my favourite classes myself.

    I havent tried clerics that much but I liked shaman/justicar/warden, didnt get far with the cleric though.

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    gundam470 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I don't need 'enhanced motion' bullshit, I don't like how it looks

    I thought my statement got that across but obviously not so there it is. simplified.
    Plus smooth motion is drastically different than the way it's shown in theaters. So I don't think there's any way to make the case that it's a better experience unless you like all your movies to look like soap operas.

    I think this is boxed wine syndrome. Only shitty soap operas do 60fps so 60fps must be a shitty format. All the classiest programs and movies use 24fps. Must be better.

    Really, it's what you're used to. Planet Earth was largely 60 fps and it looked fantastic. I imagine we'll start to get used to high quality video over time through documentaries and news. Movies will switch over with digital distribution and projection Eventually 24p will die.

    It's 60fps because it's interlaced, half-res double speed basically. And for some reason the US once again bases itself so that 1080i becomes 60fps. While the rest of the world has a base of 25fps for progressive and therefore get 50fps at interlaced.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Couscous wrote: »
    In the future, people will complain when a movie isn't predominately orange and blue.

    the issue is older films that originated at a different frame rate

    it makes them look more artificial and weird especially if you've seen the film in its original state

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  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    this is basically tik tok 2.0

    don't lie

    Oh god.

    She's like those country singers who play the same song over and over again but with slightly different words.

    Man Toby Keith sings about a ton of things. As long as they are about America kicking ass.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Riemann, if you're still around, I'll bite: what new stuff does this book you're reading have on the hyksos? I thought they were kind of a huge question mark.

    Well the classicial picture of them is that they were from an "obscure" country somewhat distant and unknown to the Egyptians and came in conquering with horse drawn chariots as their advantage. This often got mixed up with ideas about possible Hurrian or even Indo-Aryan origins for them.

    This being based largely on quotes from Manetho (writing in the 3rd century BC, so 1600-1700 years after the fact) which were preserved in Josephus and a couple other places.

    The "hyksos" were not a race or people but a greek garbling of the ancient egyptian for "Ruler of Foreign Lands" and the greek word often translated as "obscure" also means "vile" which was the usual egyptian way to refer to anyone east of Egypt (especially the closer ones in what today would be called Palestine, Syria and Israel).

    Archeology in the meantime has found more inscriptions and pottery from the hyksos occupation of Egypt and found them to be west-semitic in their names (the Egyptians of the middle kingdom who eventually overthrew them refered to them as "'mw" or west-semitic speakers). Their pottery is identical to MBIIb pottery from contemporay Palestine and Pheonicia.

    So the hyksos were the very people the Egyptian old kingdom had been, when strong, constantly raiding and levying tribute from. Byblos of course is a powerful city in that region but anywhere between (but not including) the Lebanon ranges and the Judean highlands could be their origin (and a coalition of many is most likely).

    Oooh, interesting. Thanks for indulging my curiosity :^:

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited February 2011
    "He's losing his mind and he feels it going"

    I've heard that sampled in at least half a dozen songs. Think it's from some old documentary on drugs.

    Echo on
  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    Also note that this also means that nobody really films at 60fps.

    24 will not disappear because of how much filmmaker love the special "feel" that it gives. It certainly will not be replaced by an interlaced signal because that is only a method to lessen the required bandwith. An interlaced signal contains less information.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    no most good Hd is acquired at 23.98 fps these days. Its rarely broadcast at that frame rate though because of the bandwidth requirement.

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  • Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Couscous wrote: »
    In the future, people will complain when a movie isn't predominately orange and blue.

    the issue is older films that originated at a different frame rate

    it makes them look more artificial and weird especially if you've seen the film in its original state

    The idea that inserting computer-generated frames by definition makes the film look better is huh what

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Cass do you like Hyper Crush y/n

    I don't know what that is.

    Kinda similar to Kesha in having elements of electropop with some female vocals

    and having the emotional gravity of a dog's chew toy

    I personally greatly enjoy electropop

    This sounds like I would enjoy it. What are some specific songs I would like?

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Honk wrote: »
    gundam470 wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I don't need 'enhanced motion' bullshit, I don't like how it looks

    I thought my statement got that across but obviously not so there it is. simplified.
    Plus smooth motion is drastically different than the way it's shown in theaters. So I don't think there's any way to make the case that it's a better experience unless you like all your movies to look like soap operas.

    I think this is boxed wine syndrome. Only shitty soap operas do 60fps so 60fps must be a shitty format. All the classiest programs and movies use 24fps. Must be better.

    Really, it's what you're used to. Planet Earth was largely 60 fps and it looked fantastic. I imagine we'll start to get used to high quality video over time through documentaries and news. Movies will switch over with digital distribution and projection Eventually 24p will die.

    It's 60fps because it's interlaced, half-res double speed basically. And for some reason the US once again bases itself so that 1080i becomes 60fps. While the rest of the world has a base of 25fps for progressive and therefore get 50fps at interlaced.

    It can be traced to power standards. As I understand it, old school VHS recorders derived their timing frequencies from the mains power supply, since that was well-regulated and available. In the US it's 60 Hz 120VAC, most other places it's 220-240VAC 50hz.

    It goes back further then that. But you're right on the timing frequencies as a source. They are arbitrary numbers.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    awww av club gave dead space 2 a C+

    their main complaint was 'more of the same' which means I'll probably love the shit out of it

    Sequel to popular franchise doesn't radically change the way the game is played. Whoever did that review is a tard. DS 2 is a perfect follow up and much like aliens just ups the ante.

    they may be basing it on the assassin's creed 2 metric, which smoothed out the flaws in the game and greatly expanded the universe and what you could do.

    I do predict I will really enjoy deadspace 2 though

    But thats not fair AC 1 was filled with issues, compared to DS 1 which really didn't.

    I didn't say he was right, but that's probably how he sees it.

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    But timing signals aren't still needed right? Because of digital broadcasts?

    I thought part of the reason they developed HDTV was because they wanted a common standard for one time in history.

    Honk on
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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2011
    I think the AV club guy probably approaches games from a different place than most of us do

    yeah that must be the case

    for a while they had wil wheaton doing "classic game" reviews and those weren't very good either.

    truth is that video games reporting/ criticism isn't really a very good discipline yet. probably because it's new and also the video game fanatic demographic is mostly retards, judging from IGN and gamefaqs and gamespot.

    play magazine had a decent run for a while at trying to take games more seriously, but they ended up kind of jumping off a weeaboo cliff and the commercial realities that they got zero access unless they ran nothing but puff pieces.

    i mean, i guess i admire the onion for taking a stab at it, but i don't feel like they do an especially good job.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Couscous wrote: »
    In the future, people will complain when a movie isn't predominately orange and blue.

    the issue is older films that originated at a different frame rate

    it makes them look more artificial and weird especially if you've seen the film in its original state

    The idea that inserting computer-generated frames by definition makes the film look better is huh what

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
    Motion interpolation is used in various display devices such as HDTVs and video players, aimed at alleviating the video artifacts introduced by framerate conversions in fixed-framerate displays such as LCD TVs. Films are recorded at a frame rate of 24 frames per second (frame/s) and television is typically filmed at 25, 50, 30 or 60 frames per second (the first two being PAL, the other two from NTSC). Normally, when a fixed framerate display such as an LCD screen is used to display a video source whose framerate is less than that of the screen, frames are often simply duplicated as necessary until the timing of the video is matched to that of the screen, which introduces a visual artifact known as judder, perceived as "jumpiness" in the picture. Motion interpolation intends to remedy this by generating intermediate frames that make animation more fluid.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I don't think I got the job.

    It's almost 5PM, the position has been removed from their website, and I have gotten neither a phone call nor an email.

    :(

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    Riemann, if you're still around, I'll bite: what new stuff does this book you're reading have on the hyksos? I thought they were kind of a huge question mark.

    Well the classicial picture of them is that they were from an "obscure" country somewhat distant and unknown to the Egyptians and came in conquering with horse drawn chariots as their advantage. This often got mixed up with ideas about possible Hurrian or even Indo-Aryan origins for them.

    This being based largely on quotes from Manetho (writing in the 3rd century BC, so 1600-1700 years after the fact) which were preserved in Josephus and a couple other places.

    The "hyksos" were not a race or people but a greek garbling of the ancient egyptian for "Ruler of Foreign Lands" and the greek word often translated as "obscure" also means "vile" which was the usual egyptian way to refer to anyone east of Egypt (especially the closer ones in what today would be called Palestine, Syria and Israel).

    Archeology in the meantime has found more inscriptions and pottery from the hyksos occupation of Egypt and found them to be west-semitic in their names (the Egyptians of the middle kingdom who eventually overthrew them refered to them as "'mw" or west-semitic speakers). Their pottery is identical to MBIIb pottery from contemporay Palestine and Pheonicia.

    So the hyksos were the very people the Egyptian old kingdom had been, when strong, constantly raiding and levying tribute from. Byblos of course is a powerful city in that region but anywhere between (but not including) the Lebanon ranges and the Judean highlands could be their origin (and a coalition of many is most likely).

    I thought this is what the story of Joseph in the bible was was about. Western semetic tribes moving in and gaining positions of authority, like the Germans in the the later Roman Empire. Then a blank space where the native Egyptians reassert themselves and enslave the Israelites. Then Moses.

    In the bible the Israelites who go down to Egypt are not conquering. Or even moving in force or large numbers.

    The catechism from Deut 26 is one of the older bits in the bible and sums it up very well:

    "A wandering Aramean was my ancestor; he went down into Egypt and lived there as an alien, few in number, and there he became a great nation, mighty and populous. 6 When the Egyptians treated us harshly and afflicted us, by imposing hard labor on us, 7 we cried to the LORD, the God of our ancestors; the LORD heard our voice and saw our affliction, our toil, and our oppression. 8 The LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with a terrifying display of power, and with signs and wonders; 9 and he brought us into this place and gave us this land, a land flowing with milk and honey."

    note that "wandering" in 26:5 is actually much stronger. More like "starving" or "perishing/dying".

    That bit is actually a very important section for many reasons. And it is interesting that it is a quite ancient ritual summary of what is important about the history of Israel (from the setting of Deut 26 in general) that does not include any reference to Moses.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I think the AV club guy probably approaches games from a different place than most of us do

    I think he looks at games the same way a lot of people here look at politics.

    If it isn't amazing and mind blowing and revolutionary its absolute shit.

    well, no, I mean you could actually read it. He didn't say it was absolute shit, just more of the same. He complained the necromorphs did their usual attack routine and it rarely got more complex than shooting yellow weak points.

    like I said he reviews a lot of indie and small games and he rewards them for creativity and unusual gameplay.

    that's interesting that you managed to include hyperbole in your criticism of hyperbole

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Couscous wrote: »
    In the future, people will complain when a movie isn't predominately orange and blue.

    the issue is older films that originated at a different frame rate

    it makes them look more artificial and weird especially if you've seen the film in its original state

    The idea that inserting computer-generated frames by definition makes the film look better is huh what

    SD Dvds usually have done that anyway. A standard US DVD is 29.97 which means 2:3 pulldown as already been added. This doesn't make it look better or smoother it adds frames to the material that did not exist in the original. It reduces effective quality. "Progressive scan" dvd players remove these extra frames via their ow algorithms.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2011
    Do we have anybody in Chat from Switzerland? Zurich?

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I didn't say he was right, but that's probably how he sees it.

    But that's just silly eddy. Its a dumb perspective for a reviewer to take "you didn't have to fix all the problems from the first game, and thus didn't do a lot of new things."

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    That's how we did it when we made material for Swedish National Television. They were the only client who demanded to get the video delivered at 50fps, or interlace speed.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited February 2011
    I got some emails thanking me for daring to chainsaw shitty games at ankle height back when I wrote for a gaming magazine.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I think the AV club guy probably approaches games from a different place than most of us do

    yeah that must be the case

    for a while they had wil wheaton doing "classic game" reviews and those weren't very good either.

    truth is that video games reporting/ criticism isn't really a very good discipline yet. probably because it's new and also the video game fanatic demographic is mostly retards, judging from IGN and gamefaqs and gamespot.

    play magazine had a decent run for a while at trying to take games more seriously, but they ended up kind of jumping off a weeaboo cliff and the commercial realities that they got zero access unless they ran nothing but puff pieces.

    i mean, i guess i admire the onion for taking a stab at it, but i don't feel like they do an especially good job.

    I've been reading Game Informer and well I have to say their art is nifty. The cover with all the badasses of video game history was awesome.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Honk wrote: »
    But timing signals aren't still needed right? Because of digital broadcasts?

    I thought part of the reason they developed HDTV was because they wanted a common standard for one time in history.

    I haven't spent too much time looking at the HDTV specs, but I believe PAL/SECAM countries are 25 fps, and NTSC countries are 30 fps.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I don't think I got the job.

    It's almost 5PM, the position has been removed from their website, and I have gotten neither a phone call nor an email.

    :(

    maybe its one of those first thing in the morning type deals

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  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2011
    Couscous wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    The criticism of motion interpolation usually don't make any sense.

    not liking how something looks makes pretty good sense

    It is just smoother motion. If anything, it should look better and more realistic. Saying it looks too smoother or something like that is criticizing it for not being the same old shit.

    yeah but the same old shit was better

    it looks super fucking weird

    it reminds me of the way soaps look

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  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Man this fucknopennyarcade tumbler is nuuuuuuuts.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    motion interpolation is an attempt to reduce the level of loss from a frame rate change. It is a program making shit up as it goes to cover the change of frame rate.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Honk wrote: »
    But timing signals aren't still needed right? Because of digital broadcasts?

    I thought part of the reason they developed HDTV was because they wanted a common standard for one time in history.

    Power-based timing isn't used anywhere - it's why all TV's can handle PAL or NTSC no problems. The advent of cheap digital electronics and quartz oscillators - not to mention mass production - means it's cheaper to support everything.

    But there are till a BUNCH of HDTV standards.

    Though I think we're settling on 1080p at 60Hz gradually?

    Older CCTV systems will still be using it in the form of line lock, so that multiplexers don't have rolling signals.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I think the AV club guy probably approaches games from a different place than most of us do

    yeah that must be the case

    for a while they had wil wheaton doing "classic game" reviews and those weren't very good either.

    truth is that video games reporting/ criticism isn't really a very good discipline yet. probably because it's new and also the video game fanatic demographic is mostly retards, judging from IGN and gamefaqs and gamespot.

    play magazine had a decent run for a while at trying to take games more seriously, but they ended up kind of jumping off a weeaboo cliff and the commercial realities that they got zero access unless they ran nothing but puff pieces.

    i mean, i guess i admire the onion for taking a stab at it, but i don't feel like they do an especially good job.

    I enjoyed a lot of the 90s US incarnation of PC Gamer - with guys like William R. Trotter writing about the genres they specialized in - and what I've read of the PCG-UK and Edge crowd like Jim Rossignol and Kieron Gillen.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hey guys, for my sanity, if you're talking about interlaced fields, please use ips instead of fps.

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