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Teaching English in Japan: Other Options

CrapfestivalCrapfestival Registered User regular
edited February 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey, folks.

So, I applied for the JET program last year, and I perhaps naively went into it with too high of hopes. I was confident in my application as a whole, worked hard on my statement of purpose, and made sure that my letters of recommendation were solid and from people I had a good amount of experience working with academically.

Unfortunately, just today I got back word that I didn't manage to get in. So, aside from the staggering disappointment I'm trying not to think about, does anyone have any other suggestions for teaching English in Japan? Program suggestions or personal experiences; anything is helpful here. Thanks in advance.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2011
    JET is, despite popular conception, really hard to get into these days, especially if you don't want to ALT. One of my teachers in college was on the selection panel for a while, and he said they're flooded with applicants that all have four-year degrees, and they can't discriminate based on fluency of the language. Don't let it get to you.

    I know there are other options out there, but from what I understand none are as reputable. If you decide to go that route you need to make sure you research your options hard, because you can really get screwed that way.

    Is there something specific about Japan, or do you just want to teach English abroad? There are other countries where you'll have an easier time doing something like this, that need it much more. Again, make sure if you do this you research different organizations carefully. Things can get rough for you quickly in Korea, I hear, if you go with one of the sleazier cram schools.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My cousin has done several years teaching in Korea. I can get the name of the program for you if you'd like.

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  • CrapfestivalCrapfestival Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, I'm trying not to be entirely too broken up about it, and remain realistic.

    As far as teaching in Korea, I suppose I wouldn't mind swinging that. Though, I do have a specific interest in Japan, as I plan to do some graduate work on Shintoism eventually, so the intimate experience will be beneficial to me. But, honestly, next year is just a year for me to get some good personal experience before going to grad school.

    So, yeah, I'd be willing to teach English elsewhere in the world, though I would prefer Japan. So if you don't mind getting the name of that program for me, Improvolone, that'd be great.

    But, yeah, no matter what I do, I'll make sure I research it, and find some testimonies.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I actually worked through a recruiter in Korea and worked for Westgate Corp in Japan. Tell your friend to check out the following websites: Dave's ESL cafe (mostly Korea but other countries too) and Ohayo Sensei for Japan. I can offer more tips/advice but have your friend e-mail me.

    So, well, there you go! I guess if you'd like the e-mail address I can PM it to you.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2011
    Dave's ESL cafe is basically what scared me off Korea. Just keep in mind that there ARE good schools there and it CAN be a good experience, but really thoroughly vet the schools and organizations you apply to, because from the sound of things if you don't get a good one it can be the most miserable experience of your life.

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  • LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Are you looking for other opportunities similar to JET?

    You could try AEON.

    http://www.aeonet.com/

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I've taught in Japan for 10+ years and have been an area manager for a chain of English Schools.

    The jobs section of www.gaijinpot.com is a very big website for teaching in Japan. Most jobs require you to be resident in Japan but a few do not, so some searching will pay off.

    I often hear Korea is even harder work than Japan, and their immigration laws are slightly oppressive.

    I've always heard good things about teaching in Vietnam, but of course that would mean you're not going to be able to put away as much money.

    Right now there are a lot of applicants for any job teaching in Japan, but Westgate are not terrible. None of the big famous companies are good, mind, but Westgate are one of the less awful.

    If you put some more specific info (where exactly you'd like to live, your qualifications, your expectations) into your OP or a PM I can tell you some more concrete ideas.

    If the main reason you want to come here is to see Japan you'll be able to find something, it might just not pay that well.

    Edit: Aeon, Geos, Berlitz etc are pretty terrible. I've known energetic irrepressible 22-year-olds who had a happy time with them, but most people get pissed off with them.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    since i saw it mentioned as an alternative,

    I taught in korea for a little while before needing to return to canada for some medical issues (man, canada's health care is *so* much better) And I quite liked it, the trick is to make sure you're in, or within a short bus ride of a big city, most of the people who moan about how terrible it is are surprised they didn't have any fun in a middle of nowhere town with a population of 500.

    The imimgration laws are a bit..well, racist to be blunt but the work weeks are pretty short if you get in with a public school, and unlike japan the cost of living is virtually nil so you can save everything

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hey, folks.

    So, I applied for the JET program last year, and I perhaps naively went into it with too high of hopes. I was confident in my application as a whole, worked hard on my statement of purpose, and made sure that my letters of recommendation were solid and from people I had a good amount of experience working with academically.

    Unfortunately, just today I got back word that I didn't manage to get in. So, aside from the staggering disappointment I'm trying not to think about, does anyone have any other suggestions for teaching English in Japan? Program suggestions or personal experiences; anything is helpful here. Thanks in advance.

    If you're interested in doing gradaute work, why not just apply to graduate school as a foreign exchange student? If you just want experience working in Asia, I think Korea and China have greener pastures at the moment. China doesn't pay much, but the cost of living is dirt cheap and you only work like 20 hours a week.

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  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The only alternative I haven't seen mentioned is that some Christian churches in Japan offer English classes. I wouldn't consider it if you aren't religious though.

    Edit: Also the "salary" is of the "you should be able to survive" level, most of the time.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I asked someone I know who spent some time teaching English in Japan. The reply:
    The best program out there is Interac.

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  • twotimesadingotwotimesadingo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    poshniallo wrote: »
    Edit: Aeon, Geos, Berlitz etc are pretty terrible. I've known energetic irrepressible 22-year-olds who had a happy time with them, but most people get pissed off with them.

    As someone who got boned pretty hard by GEOS, let me say only this:

    The experience I had seemed, from the testimonials of the other teachers with whom I spent time, to be on the more negative end of the general consensus. No one seemed to get an especially good setup, but mine was one of the worst. What it came down to, for me, was that the particular school to which I was assigned was simply too busy for the number of instructors available, and there was insufficient room for the school to be expanded or accomodate another teacher.

    Not all schools were like this, however. A few of my friends had scenarios that were far more positive regarding the work environment, but weren't in as slick a locale as I.

    The long and short of it is: apply, and cross your fingers. At worst, it's a shitty year where you're over-worked and underpaid. At best, you get good digs near a city and a decent school environment with enough free-time to travel and experience the country.

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  • AlthusserAlthusser Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    If you like kids, try Peppy Kids Club. I don't know what's going on with their online reputation, but the 2 PKC teachers I know down here in Kagoshima like their jobs a lot. They have an honest contract, and they travel a bit and get their food/hotel expenses paid for as they visit different schools.

    If you want a poorly-compensated job at a small "English school" where you have to work on public holidays and you don't get proper vacation time or control over your schedule, let me know and you can have my job when I leave in August. I've also been working a lot of unpaid overtime lately, which is normal for a lot of Japanese workers, as is voluntarily forgoing your paid vacation days. If you work for a small company they may be less accommodating to you as a person from a different working culture, especially if they don't get a lot of foreigners coming around. Smaller companies can be nicer than the big schools, but not necessarily.

    In Korea your employer owns your visa, so if you have a falling out for whatever reason, you're going home. But a good friend of mine teaches at an English kindergarten and loves it. She has done quite a bit of traveling, too. On the other hand, this guy I met at a hostel in Japan was forced out of Korea because he tested positive for marijuana he smoked when he went home for Thanksgiving.

    I agree with twotimesadingo on deciding whether or not to come at all: what's a year here and there? If you want to live in Japan, you can do it without much trouble. If it's "easier" to get a job in Korea the difference is negligible. I have a (mostly) terrible job but I'm going to come home after a year with money saved and a better perspective on what I want from my working life.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    CygnusZ wrote: »
    Hey, folks.

    So, I applied for the JET program last year, and I perhaps naively went into it with too high of hopes. I was confident in my application as a whole, worked hard on my statement of purpose, and made sure that my letters of recommendation were solid and from people I had a good amount of experience working with academically.

    Unfortunately, just today I got back word that I didn't manage to get in. So, aside from the staggering disappointment I'm trying not to think about, does anyone have any other suggestions for teaching English in Japan? Program suggestions or personal experiences; anything is helpful here. Thanks in advance.

    If you're interested in doing gradaute work, why not just apply to graduate school as a foreign exchange student? If you just want experience working in Asia, I think Korea and China have greener pastures at the moment. China doesn't pay much, but the cost of living is dirt cheap and you only work like 20 hours a week.

    This here, applications are currently open:

    http://www.studyjapan.go.jp/en/toj/toj0302e.html

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  • finralfinral Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    As always, I have to do my general plug for teaching in China. I taught there for two years, and had a fantastic time. It is true that your salary may not be that high compared to some other places, but the cost of living and travel is dirt cheap. I generally worked about 15-20 hours a week and had an apartment that the school paid for on top of my salary. Daves ESL cafe, as posted earlier, is a good place to start looking for jobs and general information.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Get a degree in Applied Linguistics and a TESL Certificate?

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I'll PM you the company I work for. If you really want to pursue teaching English in Japan, I can help get you started applying for my company.


    edit:

    Being rejected from the JET program isn't a big deal. JET is flooded with applicants, and they've become stricter recently because so many JETs have been pretty horrible (people coming over to Japan just to try and bang as many Japanese girls as they can, for example). In my area, I know JETs are not very popular among the public schools and they prefer my company.

    Also, last year there was a global report on English aptitude, and Japan was near the bottom of the list. So there's a resurgence of funding into English education here, which means some more jobs in the future.

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    tehmarken wrote: »
    Being rejected from the JET program isn't a big deal. JET is flooded with applicants, and they've become stricter recently because so many JETs have been pretty horrible (people coming over to Japan just to try and bang as many Japanese girls as they can, for example). In my area, I know JETs are not very popular among the public schools and they prefer my company.

    Also, last year there was a global report on English aptitude, and Japan was near the bottom of the list. So there's a resurgence of funding into English education here, which means some more jobs in the future.

    Quite the opposite. While the federal government is posturing about the importance of English education, local governments just keep on slashing funding. English gyomuitaku contracts are just a way of cutting costs. Just look at how Hashimoto Toru talks about a new age of English education in Osaka while cutting personnel funding for education across the board. How about all the BoE's across the country trying to implement the MoE's elementary school English guidelines without hiring native speakers? In Tokyo the more respectable gyomuitaku company's won't even deal with public schools anymore. I think Taito ku even abandoned its private hire system.

    I have my doubts whether ALTs will even exist in 10 years.

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  • tehmarkentehmarken BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Perhaps it's just my company then (and we are gyomuitaku), because we've been having a rise in the number of contracts from public schools. Particularly elementary schools, but most of that is only once-a-week classes (not exactly a surge in English education).

    But it probably does vary region to region.

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  • descoladadescolada Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Varies per region indeed. JET picked up a ton of new contracts in my region this year, but that was largely because of a particularly infamous gyomuitaku company pissing everyone off and losing a ton of their contracts. So over here, JET's still got the best reputation (though most people outside of schools and BoEs have no idea where their ALTs come from anyway). As a whole, though, positions here appear to be decreasing while competition is increasing.

    Years ago, many people were set in their one to two year pre-grad school JET stints. Nowdays, it seems even the most driven JETs with plans for the future are putting them on hold to recontract. The job market sucks and the yen is strong, so it's more tempting than ever to continue. As a result, not only are JET applicants up, but returners are down. No shame in being rejected under these circumstances.

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  • CrapfestivalCrapfestival Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Man, lots of good stuff in here.

    Let me just say: thanks, all, for the information and suggestions. I've been investigating most of the organizations or options posted in here, and it's been very encouraging. I'm going to apply to a few of them later this week, after I know a bit more about each.

    Also, thanks for the help in getting over my disappointment concerning JET. It's also helped me get motivated to search for a new alternative.

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