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[Ozone] An Even More Inconvenient Truth (especially for Californians)?

Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
edited February 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
Ozone leads to deteriorating respiratory and cardiovascular health, which is unfortunate given that background ozone levels are rising and are expected to rise due to climate change.
Wikipedia wrote:
With high confidence, Confalonieri et al. (2007) projected that climate change would increase cardio-respiratory morbidity and mortality associated with ground-level ozone.[25] Ground-level ozone is both naturally occurring and is the primary constituent of urban smog (Confalonieri et al., 2007).[42] Ozone in smog is formed through chemical reactions involving nitrogen oxides and other compounds. The reaction is a photochemical reaction, meaning that it involves electromagnetic radiation, and occurs in the presence of bright sunshine and high temperatures. Exposure to elevated concentrations of ozone is associated with increased hospital admissions for pneumonia, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, asthma, allergic rhinitis and other respiratory diseases, and with premature mortality.

Background levels of ground-level ozone have risen since pre-industrial times because of increasing emissions of methane, carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides (Confalonieri et al., 2007).[43] This trend is expected to continue into the mid-21st century.

EPA Ozone Standards Unhealthy for America
Ozone Responsible for More Deaths than Breast Cancer and Prostate Cancer Combined
Over Half of the US Population Lives in Areas of Excessive Ozone Concentration
6 of 10 US Cities With Highest Ozone Concentrations in California

However, it appears that ozone might even be contributing to climate change. High concentrations of ground level ozone can sicken and kill plants that would otherwise siphon carbon dioxide from the atmosphere (many of these plants are also crops). To make things worse, as the average global temperature increases, more ground level ozone forms.

Lower Crop Yields Due to Ozone a Factor in World Food Crisis
Ozone Controls Failing to Protect Human Health and the Environment

Despite increasing evidence that fossil fuels are bad all around, nothing much is being done about it.

Bill Introduced to Prohibit Federal Carbon Pollution Regulations

TL;DR: Climate change is a public health issue, too, due to air pollutants like ozone that increase in concentration at greater temperatures, and nothing much is being done about it.

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  • LoklarLoklar Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Im too superbowl (drunk) to follow the links. But isn't Ozone highly unstable?

    Also it would have to be very precariously balanced for 2 degrees to change the chemical nature Of O3. My skepticism is high! (while superbowl).

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So, uh, nobody cares about ozone?

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  • GalahadGalahad Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Huh. I remember Ozone was the thing that was gonna end the world back when I was a kid. Then the world was saved by the death of the 80's perm.

    I actually thought this was a thing we (mostly) had gotten under control.

    Death by kudzu... somehow this part doesn't surprise me.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Loklar wrote: »
    Im too superbowl (drunk) to follow the links. But isn't Ozone highly unstable?

    It lasts about half an hour in atmospheric conditions, possibly a bit longer here as it's not going to be especially concentrated.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Galahad wrote: »
    Huh. I remember Ozone was the thing that was gonna end the world back when I was a kid. Then the world was saved by the death of the 80's perm.

    I actually thought this was a thing we (mostly) had gotten under control.

    Are you thinking about CFCs, which affected ozone in the upper atmosphere? I'm talking now about ozone that is specifically at ground-level.

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  • GalahadGalahad Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Galahad wrote: »
    Huh. I remember Ozone was the thing that was gonna end the world back when I was a kid. Then the world was saved by the death of the 80's perm.

    I actually thought this was a thing we (mostly) had gotten under control.

    Are you thinking about CFCs, which affected ozone in the upper atmosphere? I'm talking now about ozone that is specifically at ground-level.

    Yup, that is what I was thinking about.

    Sorry.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I really don't understand why there isn't an outcry for regulations to make sure our air is cleaner.

    I mean, damn, it's air. You have to breathe it to live. You'd think people would care.

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    edited February 2011
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I really don't understand why there isn't an outcry for regulations to make sure our air is cleaner.

    I mean, damn, it's air. You have to breathe it to live. You'd think people would care.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/

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  • Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I really don't understand why there isn't an outcry for regulations to make sure our air is cleaner.

    I mean, damn, it's air. You have to breathe it to live. You'd think people would care.
    Um, there are a bunch of laws that deal with air pollution.

    But I'm not sure what type of law we can expect to deal with emissions from plants.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I really don't understand why there isn't an outcry for regulations to make sure our air is cleaner.

    I mean, damn, it's air. You have to breathe it to live. You'd think people would care.
    Um, there are a bunch of laws that deal with air pollution.

    But I'm not sure what type of law we can expect to deal with emissions from plants.

    But it appears that existing regulations aren't enough to protect people from harm, seeing as over half the US population lives in areas with excessively high ozone levels.

    Also, I'm not really talking about plants, so I better remove the kudzu line from the OP.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, I'm not really sure to what measurable degree plants emit ozone. That would be strange news to me. One major household source is ionic breeze air conditioning technology, which creates O3 in your house!

    I don't really know what effects Ozone has. I know ozonolysis can split all kinds of chemicals into even nastier chemicals, but I don't really know the health effects.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    It, well, oxidizes stuff.

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  • templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Feral wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I really don't understand why there isn't an outcry for regulations to make sure our air is cleaner.

    I mean, damn, it's air. You have to breathe it to live. You'd think people would care.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/

    I read that when someone posted the link last week, but this is the first time I was really struck by the line
    The Onion wrote:
    Democrats have pointed to estimates from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that show repealing the law could result in a loss of up to $14 trillion in the nation's GDP.

    I had to stifle my laughter at work.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Added information regarding ozone's relationship to global warming into OP>

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So... ozone is a side effect of other forms of other chemicals reacting in sunlight... so... control those pollutants and we wont have to worry about ozone?

    Which chemicals cause this (the article was unclear) and what industrial processes or products produce them? I look on my own.

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, ozone is a by-product of hydrocarbon pollution as it breaks down in the atmosphere, so while it is good to indicate when there is high pollution, its really a red herring to regulate it's levels directly.

    So really it is regulation emissions of nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide and 'Volatile organic compounds' which should be the focus to reduce ozone levels.

    From what I can find; Styrene found in rubber, plastic, insulation, fiberglass, pipes, automobile and boat parts, food containers, and carpet backing; limonene found in makeup, medicine, solvent and renewable acetone replacement cleaners; aldehydes use in fragrances, tobacco, food products, industrial products and naturally occurring.

    It seems like the key to this is full regulation of emissions of almost everything during a product's entire life-cycle. That is a serious problem as I doubt such a thing will be as "easy" to do as regulating a single obvious pollutant like carbon dioxide on a national or global scale.

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