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I'd like to see some math on it. The way I see it, if you need 8 less workers to saturate it (or whatever the number is) that's already 400 minerals you've saved, not even counting the time it would have taken to accrue and build up those workers.
Sorry I got botp.
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I think you mean YABOT. They spent a few pages arguing about whether it was worth a damn. Personally, I forget everything I train myself to do in YABOT the second I hit a real game. Right back to accumulated noob bad habits.
Yeah I had the same problem, I would get nervous/distracted and make stupid mistakes like forgetting SCVs.
Take incontrol, tyler, day9, idra, and artosis. They are all professional gamers that earned their respect.
whip my hair.
there are pro sports casters that never played and are great, and ones that played and are great.
also ones that played and suck as casters.
Except these casters are making too many mistakes! When I'm watching a stream and catch blatant errors in what they are saying its just silly sometimes
Yeah but the casters who never played are experts on the game, that isn't true at all with these casters that didn't play. They know a little but not that much of high level. I mean I watched TB a few times, he is funny, but I can point out tons of flaws in his casting on strategy and I haven't played since beta.
In fact, I'd much rather listen to a caster with enthusiasm and commitment who knows the basics of what's going on and can draw conclusions from what he sees than a...well, IdrA, who can microanalyze a game down to the drone because of his game knowledge, but would prevent paint from ever drying.
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A lot of new gamers probably don't know how deep day9 was in the pro-scene back in the day... and thus respect him for other reasons.
It's his charisma and professionalism that pwnz noobie viewers.
His deep-knowledge of the game pwnz the more dedicated gamers.
It's not an easy thing to do, either of the above.
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To be a good caster, you need the ability to engage and excite people about the game they are watching. Has anyone here ever tried to watch a cast by Crota? What the fuck is that shit?
To claim that Husky/Total Biscuit/HD are 'terrible casters' is completely ridiculous. If we're really trying to point out a terrible caster, we just have to go and find out where Trus has been hiding.
I mean its not like we're choosing only one person to commentate, we just happen to only know one of the commentators
having said that, I still personally think kellymilkies is wrong for either role
and that is because I can't bear to listen to her
Watching husky explode with nerd excitement while calling everything by the wrong name makes me frowny faced.
Gotta learn to not just settle with mediocrity.
- Knowledge of the units and basic openings (any well-read gold player will know this)
- Background knowledge of the players and maps
- Production tab to keep track of key structures
- Camera control hotkey practice
- Good diction and phrasing
- Enthusiasm for events which merit it (battles, sneaky tech plays, genuine surprise)
- Ability to provide patter for events which don't (that interminable 90 seconds between barracks and 4-gate drops, for example)
A duo team covers for each other on all of these points, and can specialize in certain areas (such as build orders and game knowledge). But you can do just fine with two color casters. It will have a different tone, but unless neither has any game sense or has a big misread, it will be fine.
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All of this is aided by over-eager brits yelling.
I was talking about the game he won in his bo3 with Moon.
I gather his losses played out pretty similarly but I was too bored to watch by then.
then your actual issue isn't what you said in your post
you separated nobodies from pro gamers. you meant to separate people who know the game from people who don't.
I disagree, I find husky and tb at the least to have satisfactory game knowledge and a fun style.
I drew a connection that the good casters tended to be the people that are really good at the game.
Not people that just shout when something is happening.
maybe we like different things
edit - it's a good thing they don't 'just shout', then.
that would be weird for everyone!
q: do you think dj wheat is a good caster?
also, calling someone a 'nobody' doesn't imply anything about game knowledge. just for when you make this argument in the future... so you know.
Have you ever tried to watch someone cast DOTA? It's like having your eyes pulled out of your nose.
Nobodies was a bad choice. Kelly seems like a very nice person, but she has so much to learn. Hopefully she will
DJwheat is an average caster. He is good as a sideman to ask other people questions. I wouldn't watch him solo cast.
Also after watching husky cast at that mlg (or something) with day9, I never wanted to hear his voice again. I thought he was going to die from exhaustion from screaming so much.
I was watching that game (actually I was there to hold seats for the SC2 games to follow) and their commentary actually made the turn around in the game feel more awesome. I do not follow WC3 but if I hear the commentators make a remark about how the game looks hopeless and then the player turns it completely around, how does this not help your excitement of watching the game?
I'm new to the scene and I'd say I know the game pretty well. and I don't dedicate nearly the time these people do.
although I guess you seem to already have judged said people so it doesn't matter
I feel like I should note that I'm specifically talking about where he was running around with one hero and one town hall in the corner of the map for half an hour, trying to pick off a guy on two or three bases, before gg'ing.
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How about this then.
People should not be casting if they don't know what they are talking about.
Wait until they are an expert, then give it a crack at casting.
Until then they are just gonna look a fool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLYPSR2y_0
Day9 started out as a guy who helped people understand Broodwar matches indepth, so that's why I, personally, really "got into him". His personality and enthusiasm helped a ton, but weren't the main reason I watched most of his stuff.
Plus, his enthusiasm was so different, he didn't just get excited at huge battles and a reaver shot killing 10 probes, he also got excited about positional control and macro; and I feel as though because of him, I learned to get excited about those things too (placing a building down just as you get the resources, getting an overlord just as a I need it, etc.)
Husky, TB, HD are bad casters, but I don't really care so long as they don't end up casting anything big (especially alone). They're kind of like the Klazarts of SC2 IMO.
last I knew HD was making attempts at stepping up his game.
Personalities pop up all the time. What gives them staying power involves more than charm.
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ClFparAaQ&feature=player_embedded
So looking at the Blizzcon WC3 brackets, Moon ended up in the losers bracket finals against Infi.
Lost the first game, second game went on so long that they called it a draw and gave the series to Infi out of necessity.
Don't watch this.
EDIT: Fuck you Moon, this isn't War3.
So we could argue what is more needed, staying power or broad audience appeal. In my previous example I was sitting at the venue at Blizzcon not for what was currently playing(WC3) but waiting for it to finish. I had no interest in the technical details of WC3, but if I hear the commentators call the game as being over and there comes a big turn around it will definitely pique my interest. Again, this is not me saying game ignorance is ok. But you can definitely tell the difference in professors from the ones who are clearly experts in their fields and give dry lectures and those who are also very knowledgeable but care just as much, if not more, about delivery.
I do agree that Day 9 is a starlet in this, he is a great blend of both. It's hardly surprising that you'll find casters that fall on one side or the other. We shouldn't be so quick to denounce someone who is more talented in one aspect over the other.
Engage, attaaaaaaaackwhooops scroll back and creep another five minutes.
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Yes! Or there will be, when I get off my ass and write a little script that spits out an image, depending on whether your own3D stream is live.
Be honest with me guys, am I one of these nobodies who just happened to start casting? :P How many mistakes etc do I make? I'd really like to know!