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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I would img tag these but oh well.

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    This lists all the weapons in the game from a press pamphlet. Doesn't look like lightning claws or power fists made it in sadly..

    I'll bet the next page is all, "The Adeptus Mechanicus has specialized weapons that they only give to worthy sons of the Emperor or something" or something.

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  • Enosh20Enosh20 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    and an exterminatus involves carpet bombing the planet for a couple of weeks with hydrogen bombs, constantly, with a 50 megaton bomb for every square kilometer of the surface - boiling away the oceans, irradiating the earth and shrouding the entire planet in an impenetrable black haze that chokes the last breaths of life out of the world.

    Then when the ordeal is over, and what little remains of the landscape is a charred, ashen wasteland flowing with molten rock, radioactive dust and blasted by a bitter, freezing chill, they repeat the process again. And again. For months, scouring kilometers from the surface of the planet, turning the continents to rubble, levelling mountains and cliffs. The entire world a smooth, obsidian ball winking out of existence in the infinite blackness of space.


    So yeah, not a good day to start dabbling in the dark arts, Mr Heretic.
    that's not an exterminatus, atleast not one I have ever heard of in 40k
    and 50 megaton, I lol'd
    a standart 40k torpedo is 600 gigaton, and that's one of their weakest weapons if we don't count point defence systems, wait I remember lances being a bit weaker, 50 megatons is what those pussies in star trek are throwing around

    an exterminatus can be brute forced if needed, but they sure as fuck don't need weeks or months to do it, an single barrage of an IoM warship can destroy a continent, Cave of ice book has the example of a couple (2-3) of lance barrages of a flotillia of iom cruisers (that's around 3 iirc) compleatly destroying a continent sized survace, destroying the necron instalation 2-3 km deep and making the planet unihabitable

    but exterminatos is usualy done with specific weapons like virus bombs, which kills all living things on the planet, transforms their biomas into a gas which is then ignited by a lance strike so that the whole surface goes up in flames
    another way is a Cyclonic torpedo, which goes through the planet to it's core and detonates there shattering the planet

    and this is done in hours not months

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  • Katsuhiro 1139Katsuhiro 1139 Dublin, IrelandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Definitely picking this up - would love a Bioware style Eisenhorn game, mind you. Be an inquisitor, collect a retinue, explore hub planets, choose "down" on the dialogue wheel for Exterminatus, for every problem, irrespective of its scale or potential collateral damage.

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  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Enosh20 wrote: »
    an exterminatus can be brute forced if needed, but they sure as fuck don't need weeks or months to do it, an single barrage of an IoM warship can destroy a continent, Cave of ice book has the example of a couple (2-3) of lance barrages of a flotillia of iom cruisers (that's around 3 iirc) compleatly destroying a continent sized survace, destroying the necron instalation 2-3 km deep and making the planet unihabitable

    You're misremembering. In Caves of Ice, Cain first dumps the contents of the promethium refinery into the mines proper, flooding the Necron tomb and delaying their attempts to awaken. Then once safely in orbit, he just ignites a single bomb via remote. The transport ship they were on didn't have any air-to-ground weapons worth a damn anyway.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Enosh20 wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    and an exterminatus involves carpet bombing the planet for a couple of weeks with hydrogen bombs, constantly, with a 50 megaton bomb for every square kilometer of the surface - boiling away the oceans, irradiating the earth and shrouding the entire planet in an impenetrable black haze that chokes the last breaths of life out of the world.

    Then when the ordeal is over, and what little remains of the landscape is a charred, ashen wasteland flowing with molten rock, radioactive dust and blasted by a bitter, freezing chill, they repeat the process again. And again. For months, scouring kilometers from the surface of the planet, turning the continents to rubble, levelling mountains and cliffs. The entire world a smooth, obsidian ball winking out of existence in the infinite blackness of space.


    So yeah, not a good day to start dabbling in the dark arts, Mr Heretic.
    that's not an exterminatus, atleast not one I have ever heard of in 40k
    and 50 megaton, I lol'd
    a standart 40k torpedo is 600 gigaton, and that's one of their weakest weapons if we don't count point defence systems, wait I remember lances being a bit weaker, 50 megatons is what those pussies in star trek are throwing around

    an exterminatus can be brute forced if needed, but they sure as fuck don't need weeks or months to do it, an single barrage of an IoM warship can destroy a continent, Cave of ice book has the example of a couple (2-3) of lance barrages of a flotillia of iom cruisers (that's around 3 iirc) compleatly destroying a continent sized survace, destroying the necron instalation 2-3 km deep and making the planet unihabitable

    but exterminatos is usualy done with specific weapons like virus bombs, which kills all living things on the planet, transforms their biomas into a gas which is then ignited by a lance strike so that the whole surface goes up in flames
    another way is a Cyclonic torpedo, which goes through the planet to it's core and detonates there shattering the planet

    and this is done in hours not months

    The Emperor's Tears are a much more elegant solution. Snuffing the spark of life itself leaves the infrastructure intact and ready for re-colonization by those of better moral stock in theory. Plus you have the added bonus of the corpses rising up and conveniently stacking themselves.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    As I peruse the W40K wiki, I see the squats and wonder if we will ever see any?

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  • ForumiteForumite Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    As I peruse the W40K wiki, I see the squats and wonder if we will ever see any?

    The Squats were eaten by Tyranids. The popular theory is that a relatively new species called the "Demiurge" might replace them as the "space dwarves" in the future

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  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    EXTERMINATUS

    EXTERMINATUS

    Retribution did this very, very well.

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  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Did they really need the word 'EXTERMINATUS' to be pasted on the screen in big flashing block letters?

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Well that's the end result of the right codes being broadcast from one end of the Imperium back to the ship blowing the hell out of the planet in question. It's like the last y/n when you're reformating a hard drive, or blasting a billion people into oblivion.

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  • FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    How else should the crew serfs know what they just set in motion? One wrong press of a [strike]button[/strike] rune of command and they might launch the drop pods or something.

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Man, I forgot about the new Dawn of War expansion. Gotta get that

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    Did they really need the word 'EXTERMINATUS' to be pasted on the screen in big flashing block letters?

    Damn, child, don't you know anything about the Imperium of Man? They don't do anything unless it can be written in flashing all-caps (optional: add the individual letters being on fire). If you can't do it big, it's not worth doing.

    IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE, THERE IS ONLY CAPS LOCK.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    This is a universe where 10 foot tall God-men fight with lightning hammers and have three lungs.

    Subtlety is not the watchword.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    You know, we don't have to blast everything to hell, the enemy is organic so why not drop some virus bombs, let it grow and light it up.

    *BANG*

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Something I always wondered about 40k, does it follow on from the other fantasy type Warhammer or is it from our earth?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    iirc out there in the 40k universe is the planet that warhammer fantasy is set on, except it's like undiscovered or lost or sealed or some other bullshit.

    im sure there was some obscure fluff somewhere where like one of the armies of 40k, like orks, were using slaves from the warhammer fantasy world or something. i dunno.

    who cares.


    Here's basically the entire lore of 40k and Fantasy in one sentence:

    We make shit up as we go along so that we can sell more miniatures.

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The internet has an answer for us
    In earlier editions of both Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000, there were many indications that the Warhammer World, the planet that is the primary setting for Warhammer Fantasy, was located in the same universe as Warhammer 40,000. In later editions of both games, Games Workshop moved to create more of a separation between the two fictional universes, although they have also never completely denied the earlier connections between the two settings. It is likely that the Warhammer World does exist in the same universe as Warhammer 40,000 as the Warhammer World is known to have been terraformed and reshaped by beings known as the Old Ones, the same alien entities as the Old Ones of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. The Warhammer World's continents are arranged very similarly to those of Earth and may be an indicator that the Old Ones also played some role in shaping the Earth and affecting the development of mankind in general several million years ago, after their supposed disappearance from the galaxy.

    Other worlds in the Warhammer 40,000 universe have been discovered by the Imperium of Man that also have been terraformed into a shape reminiscent of Earth's distinctive continents. It is possible that the humans of the Warhammer World are settlers who first arrived on the planet many millennia ago during the Dark Age of Technology and then reverted to a primitive state as so many human populations did across the galaxy during the Age of Strife, while the Elf and Dwarf populations are beings shaped by the Old Ones from Eldar and Squat stock, respectively. Finally, the Greenskins (Orcs and Goblins) of the Warhammer World are clearly a type of feral Ork. The Forces of Chaos are even more active on the Warhammer World than they are on many other planets of the galaxy because of the collapsed Warp Gates the Old Ones built on the planet, devices that are very similar in function to the Eldar's Webway technology, which was itself derived from the Old Ones' knowledge of the Immaterium.

    These damaged Warp portals have allowed the Warp to manifest fully at the north and south poles of the Warhammer World, essentially creating two small Warp rifts at both ends of the planet similar to the Eye of Terror which spew Chaos energies directly into the physical universe, creating what the inhabitants of the Warhammer World call the "Winds of Magic." Because Chaos can manifest its forces directly on this world, its Elf, Dwarf and human defenders of Order are slowly but inexorably losing their battle with the Ruinous Powers.

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  • Enosh20Enosh20 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    about wh:f and 40k, isn't there a book that describes all the chaos gods set in the fantasy universe but the in universe author also starts blabering about chainswords and other 40k stuff?

    stealth edit: found it, it's Liber Chaotica "The Liber Chaotica also provides background related to the Warhammer 40.000 universe, written as cryptic records of recurring visions Kless suffered. "
    http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Liber_Chaotica
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    You're misremembering. In Caves of Ice, Cain first dumps the contents of the promethium refinery into the mines proper, flooding the Necron tomb and delaying their attempts to awaken. Then once safely in orbit, he just ignites a single bomb via remote. The transport ship they were on didn't have any air-to-ground weapons worth a damn anyway.
    hmm, been a while since I read it, I do remember him talking something about blowing everything up with the navy, maybe it's one of those "we can do this" thingys, would need to go and reread it

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Lack of Lightning Claws makes this game infinitely worse.

    Goddamnit.

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  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Ok, the subject of Exterminatus: There are obviously a few ways in 40k to damage a planet, and some authors have taken some huge liberties when it comes to things like that. In terms of practicality though, there are only 3 ways an exterminatus is traditionally done.

    Virus Bombing
    Cyclonic Torpedo's
    Atmospheric incinerator torpedo's

    All of these are used in conjunction with traditional weapons, but they are the best way to get a job done. Virus bomb's unleash a self propagating virus that destroys any and all biological life, then leaves a methane cloud of putrefaction hanging in the atmosphere that a single spark could set off and ignite the entire surface with flames as hot as a sun.

    Cyclonic Torpedo's are so utterly powerful that a single one could destabilize a planet and cause it to split apart. It accomplishes this by burrowing into the surface of the planet, then detonating an explosive of incalculable power. An alternative version burrows all the way to the planets core, ensuring it's doom.

    The Atmospheric Incinerator Torpedo uses an advanced plasma device that bursts in low planetary orbit and literally ignites all oxygen on a target planet. This is only used in extreme cases of Exterminatus, and should only be used under such circumstances. This method of exterminatus was used on Medusa IV in the Medusa system after it was determined to be too difficult to reconquer from the forces of Chaos that erupted from Van Grothe's Rapidity despite the presence of the Ultramarines second company. It is said that the planet's surface was melted to glass and that the entire world burned like a piece of amber in space even a month after the attack had been launched.

    That's how you kill a planet in 40k.

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  • SilpheedSilpheed Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Lack of Lightning Claws makes this game infinitely worse.

    Goddamnit.
    Doesn't Lightning Claws require Terminator armor in order to be used? I guess if we'll get Terminator honors at the end of the game you might get your wish fulfilled.

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    They do not. The Raven Guard fucking loves Lightning Claws and uses them all the time, on Assault Marines no less.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    How do lightning claws even work, slashing through armour?

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It's a power gauntlet with four claws, each of which is surrounded by a matter disruptive energy field. In short, the claws disintegrate the bonds between atoms as they swing.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I should've know it wouldn't be something as simple as slashing.

    Ah 40k, I love your ridiculousness.

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  • Anon the FelonAnon the Felon In bat country.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It is though...It's 4 power weapons attached to your hand. Dude swings them vigorously around and slices and dices without the risk of being disarmed or getting them stuck in stuff. That's their biggest boon really, the fact that you can't be disarmed. And when you parry...well unless it's another power weapon you will sunder the opposing weapon.

    I believe it's also a great weapon simply because you don't need to be terribly accurate. 4 blades that are about 1.5' to 2' long, and are across your hand (about 8" once you count the gauntlet, maybe 10"?)...You can just kind of lash out randomly and start cleaving off body parts.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It would have been fun pretending to be wolverine but as far as gameplay goes I think the other weapons cover what lightning claws would have done in the game

    Here is a consolation prize. A pretty picture!

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    How exactly would they even balance the game out if they have power claws in it? Have you go against a Daemon Prince?

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Well, we'll get to wield thunder hammers

    They're pretty powerful already

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm afraid that this game might get boring rather quickly if you're just pressing one button over and over as you instantly disintegrate 90 or so Orks at a time with your Thunder Hammer.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    and power axe~

    Which is like a lightning claw except more medieval

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm afraid that this game might get boring rather quickly if you're just pressing one button over and over as you instantly disintegrate 90 or so Orks at a time with your Thunder Hammer.

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  • mr_michmr_mich Mmmmagic. MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm afraid that this game might get boring rather quickly if you're just pressing one button over and over as you instantly disintegrate 90 or so Orks at a time with your Thunder Hammer.
    Ever played Diablo?

    Also, lol @ heresy icon.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So...if I'm understanding the WH40K universe correctly...the universe was basically created by having the makers look at a list of things that were "awesome" and if they indeed deemed them "awesome" they were added?

    If so, I'm okay with that.

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  • mr_michmr_mich Mmmmagic. MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    So...if I'm understanding the WH40K universe correctly...the universe was basically created by having the makers look at a list of things that were "awesome" and if they indeed deemed them "awesome" they were added?

    If so, I'm okay with that.

    While I'm no expert on the old-school fluff (which was pretty different) I think that it was originally just a grimdark universe. As a way to distinguish themselves from other grimdark stuff and develop their identity, as well as an increasingly younger target demographic, it quickly became less about "in the dark future" and more about "is your bullet larger than a 5th grader."

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  • fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I daren't get excited about this, I want it to be awesome but for some weird reason can't see it happening.

    Is there a gameplay video? The screens look fantastic.

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    So...if I'm understanding the WH40K universe correctly...the universe was basically created by having the makers look at a list of things that were "awesome" and if they indeed deemed them "awesome" they were added?

    If so, I'm okay with that.

    Yes. WH40k is incredibly silly, over the top, and knows it. The people who take 40k seriously are the ones who are missing the point. This is why the Angry Marines are so funny. They are at their core a perfect distillation, no attempts made at subtlety, of what 40k is.

    IS IT AWESOME Y/N IF Y DO IT

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    So...if I'm understanding the WH40K universe correctly...the universe was basically created by having the makers look at a list of things that were "awesome" and if they indeed deemed them "awesome" they were added?

    If so, I'm okay with that.

    Yeah pretty much 40k is the universe in which everything is awesome just cause.

    Do you really need a statue of the emperor the size of new york? No but why not if you have a space ship the size of texas!

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I daren't get excited about this, I want it to be awesome but for some weird reason can't see it happening.

    Is there a gameplay video? The screens look fantastic.


    There are snippets of gameplay in the vid in the op, and some minor stuff in the official trailer:

    http://www.spacemarine.com/#/en/trailers/

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