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Ummmmm... no? There are multiple ways to get to the same solution, depending on the problem. You see steps and a process. An idiot savant sees the answer with no extraneous bits. Your mind can't make the same logical leaps without equations to support it.
It's a bit more complicated when trying to find an analog for xenos technology
Also with the orks, their tech is designed with their biology in mind. Their guns have significantly higher thresholds for firing them. In multiple books their vehicles are used, albeit poorly, requiring lots of physical strength to even press the pedals
But enough with nerd debates. We need more purging, not understanding
Look, we know it isn't true, but it is more fun, and thus more orky. Deal with it.
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It doesn't matter if 'Orks have a psychic field that makes things work the way they think it should work' is or is not a concept actually laid down by GWorkshop in their codices (which are filled to the brim with fluff and propaganda pieces from unreliable narrators anyway). What matters is that it is a hilarious and awesome concept, and as far as WH40K is concerned, that makes it a valid one.
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Waaagh
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Paint_Job
Sounds fairly official to me! How many codexes of information would you like?
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The fluff of the matter is that from the Imperium's point of view (in particular the one magos biologis/genetor whose report is actually quoted in the fluff) the Orks technology only works because of the 'gestalt psychic field' that is created by the Orks innate psychic talents. However, that's only the one guys point of view, and it is a point of view that is heavily skewed by his own indoctrination. The whole point of that fluff piece is to be contradictory - the Ork codex spells out that the Orks have an innate working understanding of technology and battlefield tactics that is coded into their DNA.
That particular Genetor theorizes that the Orks technology only works because of their belief that it will, but he has no actual proof of that. In fact, all of the proof points to the opposite: plenty of humans use captured Ork weaponry and vehicles and no one has to believe in them for them to work. The entire fluff piece is written from the Imperial point of view and isn't meant to be taken as fact, which is why so many people think the way that they do about this piece of fluff. The fact that Ork technology is prone to breaking down is itself proof that it would have to be built on actual mechanical principles for it to work in the first place: Orks aren't in the business of doubting themselves.
There is literally only one piece of fluff that actually theorizes about the Orks psychic field being the reason why their technology works, and it is one report written by one geneticist (Genetor). There's no actual fluff that says that literally painting a vehicle red makes it faster, the fluff only says that vehicles that are red do in fact go faster, but there's no causative link between the two. It's just as likely (more likely, given the Orks genetic predispositions) that the fastest vehicles just happen to get painted red by their owners or creators.
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e; Also, the first article you quoted is literally lying. There are plenty of instances in the fluff of people using Ork technology just fine, even when Orks aren't around, regardless of whether or not they're technically proficient enough to figure out how it works.
ee: In fact, the most consistent theme about the Waaaagh! in the fluff is that it is first and foremost a motivating factor; when the Orks blood is up the Waaagh! is felt across whole systems and this pushes the Orks into organization, construction, planning, armament, and all of the other things that Orks would rather not have to worry about, but damnit, it's time to stomp some 'umies!
They're also technophobes but that doesn't really matter. The entire Imperium is kind of technophobic. Don't they not use their old good advanced technology because they're idiots?
They don't use their good, old technology for a number of reasons. Most often, the method of manufacture is only known by a select few in the mechanicus, who aren't going to let anyone know. The manufacturing methods of much of the technology they used to have access to has been lost or destroyed. The Mechanicus has also established their dominance over the technology of the Imperium in a literal cult that they control completely, and technology in general is held in a very spiritual regard. You don't get told how to start a computer - sorry, cogitator - you are trained in the rights of activation, and how to apply the proper oils, unguents, prayers and timely smacking of the holy console before finally pressing the rune of activation (ie, the big red button that says ON).
It's both and if GW said that is how it works on multiple occasions I'm gonna say that is how they want people to see it.
Also the whole Imperium's view point thing is wrong cause if that was really true they wouldn't say the orks are better psykers then human psykers. They would say they are dumb and can barely put things together with hot hurting their tiny little pee brains and even that sort of doesn't work cause they are dumb unlike humans which are great.
I never asked for this!
It isn't both, and GW hasn't said that on multiple occasions. That's why I repeatedly said that it was only in one fluff piece (because it is). I have the books in front of me that those lexicanum articles are sourcing, and they don't say any of the things that the authors of those articles have put up there.
And you literally made up that second part, no one said that Ork psykers are more powerful than human psykers. Just because the Imperium might lie to the average trooper about his chances vs a genestealer for morale purposes, that doesn't mean that Imperial intelligence assets or the Inquisition and their agencies are anything but candid about their own capabilities and the capabilities of their opponents. I mean, the article that your sources are supposedly citing even argue against you here, as the Genetor in the 3rd edition Ork codex is very candid when he says that Orks are no less intelligent than your average human, they just have a vastly different cultural outlook which leads to more direct problem solving skills rather than abstract thought.
This is the same universe in which there are space ships that are the size of texas with statues the size of new jersey made of gold. I gotta go with the cooler idea.
I never asked for this!
Space Orks that know how to make Tanks, Machine Guns, and Teleporters because it's been hard wired into their genes that they will instinctively understand chemistry, metallurgy and quantum physics is a fuck of a lot cooler than Space Orks who can make things work because 'lol they're psychic, man'
I would kill so hard for another Chaos Gate game. I love tactics games, and it just makes sense given the table top variety.
No you see it is all of the above. Like how marines can be super tough super tank soldiers with ribcages made of solid bone and yet sometimes they can do backflips and super agile shit. Does it make sense? No but it's still cool!
The way I see orks is they can make stuff with their innate stuff and then its boosted by their waaagh. The only 40k lore I have seen are video games and the ciaphias cain books. In the one cain book with the orks he hijacks an ork buggy which worked but the gun mounted on it didn't.
I never asked for this!
how old are you
Glad I could help!
This probably has to be my best post ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcIfRQQUX8A
I think like no one played cause there are barely any videos on youtube and no one seems to remember it.
I never asked for this!
Actually, what I'd really like is for Relic to do Battlefleet Gothic: The Vidja Game
I never asked for this!
No kidding. I wasn't expecting one throwaway line about red paint to cause this much "INTERNETZ RAAAAGE!".
Grief, it's completely wrong if you want, fine I'll go with that, I uh... I'm not really going to get into a shouting match with you guys over it.
So thems Marines. I hear they're in Space.
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
Still I am disapointed it's going to be the generic Ultramarines taking on a WAAAAAAGH with 5 guys seems like something the Black Templars would do
Sidenote: Ultras. Why'd it have to be the space jocks? At least we're done with the Blood Ravens for a while.
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I'm gonna link a video about a secret Relic project that's a proof of concept.
edit: Also the reason why Ork technology doesn't work for other races is that a dead ork is dead 'cause his choppah don't chop or his shootah don't shoot.
But only the bearers of the holy Emperor's gene seed are fit for that honorific, and thus they are his angels of Death. To even think otherwise would be...
YIKES. Now THAT'S alotta dakka. Not yet enuff dakka, but still. . .