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  • Mr.SunshineMr.Sunshine Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I like how that picture looks like how Lincoln is sitting at the Lincoln Memorial.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Reading Eisenhorn, an Inquisitor game in the vein of LA NOIR or Condemned would be fun. Part action, part investigation, and part torturing the living fuck out of chaos cults. Hell using Eisenhorn as a base you can even make it squad based like Mass Effect or Dragon Age. Inquisitor, data savant and/or Pilot, and an Untouchable.

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  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I seem to recall that one of the Emperor's arms is no longer actually connected to his body.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://www.factpile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/god-emperor-of-mankind-retired.jpg

    Everything is fine here! We're all fine how are you!?

    I miss being able to link images..

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
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    Everything is fine here! We're all fine how are you!?

    I miss being able to link images..

    Fix'd?

    EDIT: Fix'd.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    He should get that seen to.

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  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Holy stitches for the holy one on Terra.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

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  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    god-emperor-of-mankind-retired.jpg

    Everything is fine here! We're all fine how are you!?

    I miss being able to link images..

    Fix'd?

    EDIT: Fix'd.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlAagCXYeI

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    That sword seems kind of patronizing. Kind of like putting him on a surfboard or something. It's just something that's not gonna happen.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    That sword seems kind of patronizing. Kind of like putting him on a surfboard or something. It's just something that's not gonna happen.

    Weekend at the EMPEROR OF ALL HUMANTY'S?

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  • DrDinosaurDrDinosaur Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The sword seems like the product of a discussion where nobody wanted to be accused of heresy.
    "What if the emperor needs to defend himself?"
    (He's a husk, he can't defend himself...) "Well, we have this sword!"
    (The emperor couldn't lift this sword, even if he had to...) "Great!"

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  • HambrabaiHambrabai Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'd guess the sword would be the one thing left after the Emperor had his giant golden armour and power claw busted up after he torched Horus, which is a real shame because even a corpse would look impressive in his armour.
    http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/3/3f/Emperor_VS_Horus.jpg

    Although after Horus is probably wasn't in the best shape..

    Of course the Adeptus Custodes probably got the short end of the stick in the deal, before the Heresy they had they're own little miniature suits of Emprah-Armour to wear and after the Heresy they trundled around the Palace in loinclothes and the giant helmet as an act of penance.

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

    He's being kept alive as a beacon in the warp. He is how all of humanity is able to navigate the warp without coming out in random locations or even not at all. Without it the imperium will crumble due to being unable to support or communicate with each other (Until he resurrects).
    He is essentially brain dead, and being kept alive by the corrupt leaders of the imperium, both for the warp beacon, and because with him in a coma they get to be in charge. Keeping him alive also requires them to feed 1000's of psychics a day to the golden throne as a life support.

    I believe the leaders are all well aware that he is 100% capable of coming back (and thus do everything possible to keep it from happening), if he did it would also be a huge shift to the universe, because he would start running roughshod over the chaos gods.

    Him fighting the chaos gods in the warp is probably propaganda by the corrupt leaders so the marines/other loyalists don't try to free him.

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  • LokiLoki Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

    He's on the Golden Throne to keep him alive, since he 'emits' the Astronomican. Basically a psychic signal loud enough to be seen from almost the edges of the galaxy. This allows humans to travel through warp space, because it provides a point of reference for judging distance. Without it, humans wouldn't be able to reliably (well, semi reliably, since it's still fucking dangerous) travel through the warp, and travelling time would become inhibitive for such a large empire.

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

    He's being kept alive as a beacon in the warp. He is how all of humanity is able to navigate the warp without coming out in random locations or even not at all. Without it the imperium will crumble due to being unable to support or communicate with each other (Until he resurrects).
    He is essentially brain dead, and being kept alive by the corrupt leaders of the imperium, both for the warp beacon, and because with him in a coma they get to be in charge. Keeping him alive also requires them to feed 1000's of psychics a day to the golden throne as a life support.

    I believe the leaders are all well aware that he is 100% capable of coming back (and thus do everything possible to keep it from happening), if he did it would also be a huge shift to the universe, because he would start running roughshod over the chaos gods.

    Him fighting the chaos gods in the warp is probably propaganda by the corrupt leaders so the marines/other loyalists don't try to free him.

    I knew about him being a psychic beacon.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I just wanted to chime in here to say that I know sweet fuck all about 40K, but just reading this last page of lore-talk was awesome. I always just saw "Orks" with a 'k" and figured I need not concern myself with it, but I'm liking what I'm seeing now.

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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Since Rogue Trader the lore has been completely silent on what would happen (even potentially) regarding what would happen if the Emperor would die, or if his dying would be as potentially awesome as some think. However, it is telling that for each different theory there also exists a different sect of the Inquisition - so there are Inquisitors out there that genuinely believe that unplugging the Emperor will lead to his reincarnation and rebirth at the head of the Imperium.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    SJ wrote: »
    Since Rogue Trader the lore has been completely silent on what would happen (even potentially) regarding what would happen if the Emperor would die, or if his dying would be as potentially awesome as some think. However, it is telling that for each different theory there also exists a different sect of the Inquisition - so there are Inquisitors out there that genuinely believe that unplugging the Emperor will lead to his reincarnation and rebirth at the head of the Imperium.

    Pff, the inquisition was created immediately after the emporer died and was plugged in when a bunch of lords said that they needed to unplug the emporer and revive him immediately. It was in the =][= rulebook. I think I still have a link.

    Edit: Yep, third page of part 1 on the rulebook. here

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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So...? That's nothing new.

    e: I mean there's nothing new in the fluff about it from an 'objective fluff writer' point of view. You only hear about stories of wacko Inquisitors who want to kill the Emperor for our own good, etc.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Wait, wait, wait.

    What.

    Edit: no, about the abortion stuff. Why was it so terrible?

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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    the game was completely unsupported and poorly playtested

    awesome ideas, bad execution, so... ya'know :GW:

    e; also it didn't help people's interest that they decided to do it at a scale completely unrelated to every other game that they made

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I dunno, pretty much all specialist games went unsupported, and it had a good enough community behind it to fix most things.

    It was never meant to be particularly competitive anyway.

    e; and the rules still supported 28mm models. They just decided to make some cool, big models.

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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eventually, yeah, but Epic and BFG had a big following for a long time. Inquisitor was basically dead in the water. The only good thing that ever came out of it was Eisenhorn.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I always thought that Eisenhorn was the thing that started off Inquisitor. That it was pretty much the first bit of fluff for that part of the lore.

    And it may not have gotten as much attention in WD and stuff, but they still put out a truckload of extra articles on the specialist games site before it died. And it still has a pretty decent following.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

    The only thing that has been going on with the emperor lately is the golden throne having a flaw that might have something happen sometime and the sensei which claim to be the true children of the emperor and saying how his soul is being reborn in the heart of the warp. Pretty much the idea goes that the only thing preventing the emperor from coming back is the shriveled husk on the throne.

    My guess is somewhere down the line GW will split the Imperium between the reborn emperor and the folks loyal to the Imperium itself. Probably gonna either have the Space Marines defect over to the new emperor's side or what I think is more likely is they will make a new army for the emperor full of crazy psionic and technology. I really cannot see them introducing ANOTHER new race from out of nowhere like the Tau.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    No need for random armies to pop up out of nowhere.

    Once Skitarii gets its own codex, then they are allowed to start running out of ideas for new armies. But before then, verboten

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Raslin wrote: »
    No need for random armies to pop up out of nowhere.

    Once Skitarii gets its own codex, then they are allowed to start running out of ideas for new armies. But before then, verboten

    You are never gonna see a Mechanus army no way. They wouldn't sell an army that is all the bad ass units from marines and IG combined.

    Hell the fact that Squats ain't ever coming back is sign enough that if they are gonna do another army at some point it's gonna be some radical departure like Tau were.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Raslin wrote: »
    No need for random armies to pop up out of nowhere.

    Once Skitarii gets its own codex, then they are allowed to start running out of ideas for new armies. But before then, verboten

    You are never gonna see a Mechanus army no way. They wouldn't sell an army that is all the bad ass units from marines and IG combined.

    Hell the fact that Squats ain't ever coming back is sign enough that if they are gonna do another army at some point it's gonna be some radical departure like Tau were.

    The skitarii is a fully seperate, different force from IG/Marines, filling a medium role between the two. While they have horde-esque units like tech-guard(little more than augmented guardsmen), and very elite units(like Terminator-like tech marines), thats ignoring everything else. Praetorians, Ordinatii, Skitarii warriors(ala titanicus), Magos, Explorators, the list goes on.

    Skitarii could easily fill a role of a unique imperial army that fits neither MEQ nor guard. And the squats means nothing. Bad models, no fillable ideal for them without making them something they aren't. Skitarii can easily fit into a new mold, squats not so much.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The only way I can see skitarii ever getting a codex is if a situation like chaos demons pop up again where they ended up with enough strange units mixed in with SM and IG for them to roll them into a seperate thing with out making new models.

    I would bet on necrons being expanded before something like that ever happens.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Except that the only units that would be the same are tech-priests and servitors, two things that are highly present everywhere in 40k anyways. Tech marines wouldn't even be in a skitarii codex, being marines.

    How are you so wrong on everything, always.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What made the emperor so great when he wasn't a husk on a chair, godlike powers?

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    During the thousands of years that he was alive, he led humanity out of a dark age and unified the thousands of scattered colonies and hegemons into a galactic empire. Those planets that had lived under the threat of alien oppression or invasion were brought into the fold of humanity and protection of the empire thanks to him.

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  • Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What made the emperor so great when he wasn't a husk on a chair, godlike powers?

    Massive psychic powers and inventing Space Marines.

    There's an extensive 40k lore wiki that can easily be used to waste away an entire workday reading up on the fluff of the 40k universe.

    http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Emperor

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What made the emperor so great when he wasn't a husk on a chair, godlike powers?

    Massive psychic powers and inventing Space Marines.

    There's an extensive 40k lore wiki that can easily be used to waste away an entire workday reading up on the fluff of the 40k universe.

    http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Emperor

    Welp there goes my day.

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  • zerg rushzerg rush Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    I really hope they finally kill him off, just so we can see him resurrect and be so pissed from years of torture that he kills most of the imperium.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, cause I don't know as much as any of the hardcore fans here, but isn't his corporeal form being kept alive the only thing that's anchoring his soul to reality so that it can battle the Chaos gods in the warp? Or is that just a theory? And the only reason the Imperium hasn't killed him yet is cause they don't know for SURE if he actually would resurrect? So basically having a semi-useful husk is way more important than the kinda sorta possibility that he'd resurrect and then be able to kick insane amounts of ass again?

    He's being kept alive as a beacon in the warp. He is how all of humanity is able to navigate the warp without coming out in random locations or even not at all. Without it the imperium will crumble due to being unable to support or communicate with each other (Until he resurrects).
    He is essentially brain dead, and being kept alive by the corrupt leaders of the imperium, both for the warp beacon, and because with him in a coma they get to be in charge. Keeping him alive also requires them to feed 1000's of psychics a day to the golden throne as a life support.

    That bit of lore doesn't really pass the smell test. They already had warp travel before the throne was commissioned. Hell, they reconquered the whole of Imperial space (post Age of Strife) before the golden throne was ever conceived of. That'd be really amazing if the throne enabled warp travel, especially considering they used warp travel to do it.

    An interesting theory is that the Emperor was attempting to create a human-usable webway right before the siege of terra. According to lore, when Magnus the Red sent out his massive psychic warning signal to the emperor, the webway bracing collapsed and the warp flooded into the palace of terra. Demons flooded in, and it was only through the Emperor's psychic might, directed by the Golden Throne that the webway was held shut.

    Taking the Emperor off the throne might end up with Terra being lost to demons but aside from that it wouldn't have any non-local impact. Well, the social/political/religious fallout notwithstanding.

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  • LanrutconLanrutcon The LabyrinthRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I also don't buy the 'Emperor dies, warp travel goes bust' theory. I've had it pitched to me before.

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  • FerrusFerrus Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    In the second Horus Heresy book there is a specific scene where the Emperor orders Malcador (I believe) to start sacrificing psykers in order to keep the Light of Terra shining since he was too occupied with... something.

    So apparently the Astronomican isn't all that dependant on the Emperor.

    Edit:
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    The Astronomican, unbeknownst to the Imperium, is what is drawing the Tyranid Hive Fleets to threaten the Galaxy and all of the Imperium.

    D:

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    That bit of lore doesn't really pass the smell test. They already had warp travel before the throne was commissioned. Hell, they reconquered the whole of Imperial space (post Age of Strife) before the golden throne was ever conceived of. That'd be really amazing if the throne enabled warp travel, especially considering they used warp travel to do it.

    Taking the Emperor off the throne might end up with Terra being lost to demons but aside from that it wouldn't have any non-local impact. Well, the social/political/religious fallout notwithstanding.

    Well here's some more info on the subject;
    Human interstellar travel can be divided into 4 distinct periods.

    The first human interstellar travel utilized sub-light generation ships, which were massive ships that took hundreds of years to reach their destination. They were not sleeper ships but were giant mobile space colonies, and many generations of inhabitants would be born and die prior to the ship reaching its destination.

    The second period began with the discovery of the warp drive at the begining of the Golden Age of Technology in M20. Journies that took hundreds of years prior with generation ships were now possible in weeks and months. The first warp-drives were fairly short range, something like 5 light year jumps only. However, with this discovery human colonization of space really began in earnest. The loose alliance of colonized worlds began to amalgamate into the first interstellar state.

    The third phase begins several thousand years after the discovery of the warp drive, in the middle of the Golden Age of Technology (circa M22-M23) the navigator gene is created. This accelerates warp-travel a thousand fold, with accurate warp jumps of up to 5,000 light years now being possible. Human expansion kicks into over-drive and humans reach the far edges of the galaxy, while having their AI legions beating back orks and eldar and anything else that comes along the way.

    The final phase begins in approximatley M31 when the Astronomicon comes into being, as well as a number of smaller psychic matricies scattered throughout the Galaxy to help guide space-craft on long range jumps. I believe jumps of up to 500,000 light years are possible with the aid of the Astronomicon's light.

    prior to the emergence of the Emperor and his foundation of the Astronomicon, human warp travel was essentially identical to that practised by the majority of minor alien races now - instead of prolonged warp-voyages which can last for months (due to the guiding prescence of the Astronomican), human vessels were confined to brief warp-hops. They would enter the Immaterium, be buffeted about for a short, perilous time, disengage quickly, recalculate their new position in realspace, and enter the Warp again - while obviously much faster than standard travel, it was comparatively a slow, laborious process.

    The Navigators, due to their ability to see into the Warp and observe its currents, eddies, races and overfalls, could guide ships onto the most favourable streams and so grant vessels that extra push, giving mankind the edge in speed over alien competitors which were and are still mainly jumping blindly. Without the Astronomican, though, a Navigator's sight was quite blinkered and short, making long trips still too dangerous to attempt, but the beneift they provided was critical to allowing humanity to become as widespread as it is today.

    Hopefully this clears stuff up

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