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How do you deal with your existence?

ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
edited April 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
So I'm laying here thinking about non-existence.

I could get shot tomorrow, or run over by a car, and my life would end just like that.
No more thoughts or feelings, no joy or happiness. Everything that I am would disappear the very instant I die.

I don't like that one bit.

I really enjoy living, and don't try to think about when this party will end. I try to figure out ways of prolonging it, staying healthy and fit so I can enjoy a longer life. But our bodies are wired to die, I'll probably only last a hundred years or so, and sooner or later my biological clock will have ticked it last

Sure, there might be technological means of achieving the dream of eternal life. But even if my life is prolonged - it will still end. There might be an accident, a murder or just a world wide catastrophe that could easily end my extended life. And this is even if I were to hide out in some shelter, and in the process missing out on what makes life worth living.

But even if my life can be prolonged artificially, and even if it can be protected from all sort of life-ending threats, there will still be death. The universe and the building blocks of all that is will eventually crumble and decay, in the process resulting in the cessation of my existence.

Entropy reigns in the end.

I guess that I just have to accept it, even if I with my dying breath will hold onto life for just a bit more - because I love existing and I want it to go on for as long as possible.

That is how I deal with my existence and coming non-existence - how do you?

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_and_Time

    it is impossible to think about non-existence, since that turns it into an existing being

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    At the last, tenderly,
    From the walls of the powerful fortress'd house,
    From the clasp of the knitted locks, from the keep of the well-closed doors,
    Let me be wafted.

    Let me glide noiselessly forth;
    With the key of softness unlock the locks--with a whisper,
    Set ope the doors O soul.

    Tenderly--be not impatient,
    (Strong is your hold O mortal flesh,
    Strong is your hold O love.)

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Dammit Podly. I just knew that I was going to click on this link once I saw you had posted, and I knew you were going to post what I was going to post.

    While I'm here, we might as well take it one step further: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_and_Nothingness

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What's there to deal with? You exist and you will continue to exist until you die. Just have a good time before that happens.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I figure I'll have kids.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Of course, as an existential being, all that you are is your absolute nothingness. You aren't any thing, but rather are a nexus of possibility reaching towards your only ultimate reality -- your death.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I didn't have a problem with not existing before I was born, so I doubt I'll have one with it after I'm dead.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Podly wrote: »
    Of course, as an existential being, all that you are is your absolute nothingness. You aren't any thing, but rather are a nexus of possibility reaching towards your only ultimate reality -- your death.

    Podly, this sounds like nonsense scrawled in a moleskine under the bed of a 16 year old boy whose parents are just a couple of robots marching through a void of meaningless god mom I'm not hungry now LEAVE ME ALONE.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I just try to optimize the ratio of free time and money against doing the least amount of work possible. Back in university, one of my best friends often brought up the debate of stuff vs things. Do you want to do stuff, or do you want to have things? He was not staunchly on one side or another, but really enjoyed talking about the positives and negatives of both views. Which is how I figured out that I wanted to not work very hard but still have lots of stuff and do lots of things.

    I figure existing is about taking the most enjoyment you can get out of life before you die, so the above works well for that goal. So far so good. Just have a good time. Aim to get the things that potentiate the stuff you want to do. And have fun.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Podly wrote: »
    Of course, as an existential being, all that you are is your absolute nothingness. You aren't any thing, but rather are a nexus of possibility reaching towards your only ultimate reality -- your death.

    Podly, this sounds like nonsense scrawled in a moleskine under the bed of a 16 year old boy whose parents are just a couple of robots marching through a void of meaningless god mom I'm not hungry now LEAVE ME ALONE.

    well yeah when you try to talk about these kind of things on such a rudimentary level that's really all you get

    IT'S WHY I ONLY WEAR BLACK

    TO MATCH THE DARK NOTHINGNESS OF MY BEING

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

    It will give me a reason to live, basically. Care for kids, and see that they have a good life.

    I have thought about the questions posed in the OP, and the only answer I can give is that I don't know the answer to life. Kids seems like a decent enough way to go about it.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

    It will give me a reason to live, basically. Care for kids, and see that they have a good life.

    I have thought about the questions posed in the OP, and the only answer I can give is that I don't know the answer to life. Kids seems like a decent enough way to go about it.

    Brace for disappointment.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

    It will give me a reason to live, basically. Care for kids, and see that they have a good life.

    I have thought about the questions posed in the OP, and the only answer I can give is that I don't know the answer to life. Kids seems like a decent enough way to go about it.

    Brace for disappointment.

    And paying for braces

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I guess I just try to think of how lucky I am to exist at this point in time, with all the technology we have, I could very well have been born in the dark ages and died of some horrible disease, never knowing of how much potential humanity ultimately has as a species.

    I'm still terrified (I'm an atheist) of dying though. The whole idea of ceasing to experience anything... I would want to live as long as humanly possible, even if that involved terrible pain/hardship.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Existence is working towards the big end goal. Solve all problems, take care of all obligations, then waste away in some equivalent of an opium den. Whether it's heaven or the space ark from the movie Wall-E or the socialist utopia, getting everyone into a state of pure pleasure and peaceful cooperation means we 'win'. No goals left to achieve, we're all fat and content and without want. Roll the end credits.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

    It will give me a reason to live, basically. Care for kids, and see that they have a good life.

    I have thought about the questions posed in the OP, and the only answer I can give is that I don't know the answer to life. Kids seems like a decent enough way to go about it.

    Brace for disappointment.

    I'm curious about this. If it's not too personal, what were you expecting versus what you got?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I am in utter denial as to the matter of my existence. And none of you can prove it.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Did someone say something?

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    I'm not sure what to say, I like fun and happiness. The painful and difficult things in my life were painful and difficult and they're nothing I'd care to revisit. The best memories I have sure don't involve waiting in a hospital for my father to die, they involve spending weeks in the mountains. Free time means you can explore the world around you and enjoy it. As I said, if that's not a self evidently worthwhile pursuit, I don't know what to say.

    Ego on
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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Minimize pain, maximize comfort.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    I understand pain and difficulty in accomplishing something, but even those accomplishments generally serve to make our lives more comfortable.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Minimize pain, maximize comfort.

    That seems like the slogan of the dodgy co-worker who lets everyone down, the friend that gets scarce when you need him, the dad that isn't around and the husband that pushes all the crap housework off onto his wife.

    Edit: I just realized that might accidentally read as a personal attack - it was not intended as such at all.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Minimize pain, maximize comfort.

    That seems like the slogan of the dodgy co-worker who lets everyone down, the friend that gets scarce when you need him, the dad that isn't around and the husband that pushes all the crap housework off onto his wife.

    Edit: I just realized that might accidentally read as a personal attack - it was not intended as such at all.

    Nonsense. Philanthropy, charity, goodwill favors and scientific progress are all done by a few to increase comfort for a great number of people. Better times are had when it's Puff Puff Give instead of one guy hogging the whole bag.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    [infinitejest]
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    [/infinitejest]

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Podly wrote: »
    [infinitejest]
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    [/infinitejest]

    you know you always say that but i don't know if that is exactly his angle on entertainment

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    You seemed to have puffed up "living" into some mythical thing.

    Death is not a problem that needs solving. It's a thing that happens, and nothing more. If it bothers you, then by all means get right on it. But many of us are quite content to eventually end. That is facing the problem: realizing that it's not a problem in the first place.

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  • WMain00WMain00 Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I suppose throwing in the idea of cyclical existence, afterlife and/or reincarnation as other forms of life wouldn't sit well with you atheists?
    No? Nevermind then.

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'M GONNA LIVE FOREVER

    I'M GONNA LEARN HOW TO FLY


    FAME!

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Podly wrote: »
    [infinitejest]
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    [/infinitejest]

    you know you always say that but i don't know if that is exactly his angle on entertainment

    DFW actually really liked popular entertainment. He once got in a fight with Jonathan Franzen over it, because Franzen said that tv makes people stupid.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    You seemed to have puffed up "living" into some mythical thing.

    Death is not a problem that needs solving. It's a thing that happens, and nothing more. If it bothers you, then by all means get right on it. But many of us are quite content to eventually end. That is facing the problem: realizing that it's not a problem in the first place.

    of course it's a problem. it's one of the worst problems.

    consciousness terminated by death is one of the horrors of an absurd universe. the fact that we learn to live with it, so to speak, is just a testament to the capacity of a living mind to cohabitate with horror.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    I'll reincarnate as a butterfly.

    Because nobody expects...the butterfly.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    [Tycho?] wrote: »
    I figure I'll have kids.

    What do you think that is going to do for you?

    Because I've had kids and it doesn't really change anything.

    It will give me a reason to live, basically. Care for kids, and see that they have a good life.

    I have thought about the questions posed in the OP, and the only answer I can give is that I don't know the answer to life. Kids seems like a decent enough way to go about it.

    Brace for disappointment.

    I'm curious about this. If it's not too personal, what were you expecting versus what you got?

    I wasn't disappointed at all.

    I just don't think if you are someone who can't think of any reasons to be alive, having children isn't going to fill that hole for you.

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  • DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I buy into the notion that our consciousness lives on in some form. Even if I'm probably wrong, it's still comforting.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Podly wrote: »
    [infinitejest]
    Speaker wrote: »
    I never understand the love that things like creature comforts, free time or some vague opioid bliss get in these threads. Looking back over [insert any arbitrary time period here] the only things I've done that seem at all significant or worth having existed for integrally involved difficulty and pain.

    our culture's strong suit is not facing The Problem head-on, but rather escaping it through entertainment, distraction and self-annihilation

    the way we have learned to face the prospect of the annihilation of our self is to beat death to the punch and annihilate ourselves through immersion in stories and experiences and images in various media, so that we never have to experience living in itself and the existential void over which such experience dangles us, or at least we minimize such situations

    and we are getting increasingly better at it, by chasing down and filling up the time in which we could turn inward and think upon the Problem, using such wonderful things as smartphones and laptops and mp3 players and all that glorious stuff.
    [/infinitejest]

    you know you always say that but i don't know if that is exactly his angle on entertainment

    No, DFW clearly loved pop culture and entertainment. But I think he saw it as a historical element of the timeperiod he found himself existentially thrust into. His problem is that you have to be very intelligent to recognize that. If you aren't, you just entertain yourself to death. If you do recognize, most of your options, unless you are existentially stout and resolute, are to just sit by the side and watch everyone else entertain themselves to death.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    You find it to be a horror. That's not my assertion. Uncertainity is the only part of death I'm uncomfortable with. Well, and th dying part. It'll probably hurt.

    What is the point of immortality? When you beat death, what then?

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    You find it to be a horror. That's not my assertion. Uncertainity is the only part of death I'm uncomfortable with. Well, and th dying part. It'll probably hurt.

    What is the point of immortality? When you beat death, what then?

    Uhm you live? I presume?



    I deal with my existence through not thinking about it as much, and by distracting myself with shiny things.


    also, I convince myself that there will be a way to copy my consciousness onto a hard drive or a clone brain by the time I get old enough to die. I know the chances of that happening are slim though. The slimmest.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    That's my point. Achieve immortality and do the same bullshit we've been doing. Only forever.

    If that's your goal, then by all means. But don't act like people that don't care as mucb about death are denying some cosmic truth.

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