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[Diablo 3] New info. Beta gameplay and real money auction house.
HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
When I did my restore, I even got the items I vendored off (the ones I would've been able to buyback through the vendor, at any rate) back.
My favorite thing about their logging methods now is that the people who roll alts to troll or harass are caught for it despite deleting the character. Blizzard is more thorough and dedicated to things than people think, but it's hard to recognize the good among the bad.
I've never been hacked, but recall guild members being hacked now and then back in the day. Outright refusing to use an authenticator seems foolish to me. Shipping and handling might put it out of reach now, but luckily we have between 4 months and when the sun goes nova to save up those $10-20 and snag one, or to set the program up on a phone. I don't do the latter, despite having a smart phone, because I'm concerned I'll lose it or the battery will die and I'll be screwed, if briefly.
Instead, a former girlfriend who still plays WoW and lives in the US snagged one for me and sent it up as part of my Christmas present, and to this day the little fob thing sits beside my monitor for use when I decide to fire up Starcraft.
Even when I was playing WoW again (briefly) a few years back when they still made you use it every single time you logged in (including if you got booted off, which could be fairly frequently with server instability) and it wasn't that big a deal. Hitting the button and punching in the code became part of my login procedure, and within a short time frame it was so second nature it barely slowed me down.
I see it as peace of mind. A layer of defenses beyond my password, anti virus and firewall. It's like a condom for your account. Not necessarily cheap per se, and kind of annoying at times, but all it takes is one close call and you'll be thanking the heavens for it.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Every password-only system on a computer is unsafe. In every single case, it's only a matter of time.
Any decent password gets into "will the human race still exist?" stretches of time, at least when it comes to brute force. Unfortunately, Battle.net still limits you to 16 characters and isn't case sensitive. Maybe they should beef that up.
Anyway, if someone wants to take the time and steal my fake items, they clearly care more about them than I do. Go for it.
Every password-only system on a computer is unsafe. In every single case, it's only a matter of time.
Any decent password gets into "will the human race still exist?" stretches of time, at least when it comes to brute force. Unfortunately, Battle.net still limits you to 16 characters and isn't case sensitive. Maybe they should beef that up.
Anyway, if someone wants to take the time and steal my fake items, they clearly care more about them than I do. Go for it.
I'm pretty paranoid about IRL issues like money and my identity but s far as online/digital, I never use my real name/address anywhere.
So I'm not too worried about someone trying to haxz0r their way into my TF2/WOW accounts for my phat l3wts.
Nothing they can do can't be undone by Blizzard/Valve/EA so no worries.
my school login requires retarded passwords with a minimum 1 capitol letter, one symbol and 1 number.
So instead of having a long obscure password that I can remember easily, I have to make some dumb shit that's short for my convenience and a lot easier to hack.
But who the hell would want to hack my school login?
I'm not totally sure how long, its never taken me more than a few seconds to press the button, and recall those 6 digits as I punch them into the log in.
And since I've already spent like 200 dollars just on the WoW and it's expansions, buying the authenticator kinda made sense.
As I was deleting my tweets, I came upon one that was my entry into the d3unique contest. Completely forgot about it, heh.
Apparently I won and mine was one of the 5 winning item names that will be in d3.
I see it as peace of mind. A layer of defenses beyond my password, anti virus and firewall. It's like a condom for your account. Not necessarily cheap per se, and kind of annoying at times, but all it takes is one close call and you'll be thanking the heavens for it.
That's the perfect end to all this authenticator talk.
E: the condom analogy
I don't know. My first thought was that if you're wearing three condoms already (password, anti virus, and firewall) maybe you should just masturbate. For me, all security discussions end with the following.
Security is a trade off. The best you can do is educate yourself, decide for yourself, and accept the consequences.
You can also replace the word security with the word life.
You can easily test it. The mobile ones last a lot longer than 30 seconds, I know. It also depends on drift, the mobile ones can get out of sync and need to be re-synced.
So I heard that there was a 'leak' and beta invites on the 16th, beta starts 22nd. Quickly spread this around so they have no choice!!!
As I was deleting my tweets, I came upon one that was my entry into the d3unique contest. Completely forgot about it, heh.
Apparently I won and mine was one of the 5 winning item names that will be in d3.
my entry was "xephirian amulet"
Congrats Fuga! I wonder if they'll have a little text blurb on the item with an abstract mentioning of the contest.
You can easily test it. The mobile ones last a lot longer than 30 seconds, I know. It also depends on drift, the mobile ones can get out of sync and need to be re-synced.
So I heard that there was a 'leak' and beta invites on the 16th, beta starts 22nd. Quickly spread this around so they have no choice!!!
I don't know. My first thought was that if you're wearing three condoms already (password, anti virus, and firewall) maybe you should just masturbate. For me, all security discussions end with the following.
Security is a trade off. The best you can do is educate yourself, decide for yourself, and accept the consequences.
You can also replace the word security with the word life.
I weigh the risk to the reward. For $5-10 or so (S&H varying) I get assurances that my WoW Account (base game + 2 expansions, call it ~$150 at time of purchase) and all the utterly countless hours put into it (no, really, don't ask me to count them), SC2 ($50-60), SC + BW, D2 + LoD and eventually D3 are significantly protected. And all it costs me is an extra 5 seconds or so when I log in. A great password, good security programs and choices only do so much if some jackass manages to slip something in through a previously unknown exploit or flaw, as has happened in WoW in the past. And if that happens, the greatest password on Earth, my firewall and anti-virus might amount to jack and shit. Sure, in those 10-30 seconds they might guess that 6 digit number, but at least it's a step beyond what they would've had to do otherwise.
Personally I don't fault anyone for not having or using one. That's their prerogative. But mocking, laughing at or making fun of having or using one is goosery in my eyes.
Not that I'm saying you've done as much, Blain. Obviously you've weighed the same pros and cons, and come to the conclusion that it's not a big deal for you. That's awesome.
... but I do hope I get you for Secret Santa this year, because if I do you're totally getting an Authenticator.
Edit: @TheStig / Xeddicus: yeah, we had rumours of a beta start on the 15th squashed earlier, so I too am curious/wary.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
You can easily test it. The mobile ones last a lot longer than 30 seconds, I know. It also depends on drift, the mobile ones can get out of sync and need to be re-synced.
So I heard that there was a 'leak' and beta invites on the 16th, beta starts 22nd. Quickly spread this around so they have no choice!!!
You can easily test it. The mobile ones last a lot longer than 30 seconds, I know. It also depends on drift, the mobile ones can get out of sync and need to be re-synced.
So I heard that there was a 'leak' and beta invites on the 16th, beta starts 22nd. Quickly spread this around so they have no choice!!!
Personally I don't fault anyone for not having or using one. That's their prerogative. But mocking, laughing at or making fun of having or using one is goosery in my eyes.
Err... no one did the above. I don't know where you got that impression from. Actually, it was quite the opposite. People found it silly not to use an authenticator.
Sure, if you play a subscription-based MMO where you pour a ton of hours into it, it's reasonable, but for those who don't, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it'll take weeks to level up from 1 to 50+ in D3.
I just wish we could get rid of this notion that Blizzard is raining down authenticators from the sky for free and that you're a total goof off for not using one. They have totally made it easier than ever to get one, and they are mostly free, I won't deny that. But there is still a very sizable net people can fall under where it's a bloody pain to get one.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Personally I don't fault anyone for not having or using one. That's their prerogative. But mocking, laughing at or making fun of having or using one is goosery in my eyes.
Err... no one did the above. I don't know where you got that impression from. Actually, it was quite the opposite. People found it silly not to use an authenticator.
Sure, if you play a subscription-based MMO where you pour a ton of hours into it, it's reasonable, but for those who don't, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it'll take weeks to level up from 1 to 50+ in D3.
Yeah, it's everyone's choice, no question. But it WILL take weeks to gear your D3 character out. Unless you buy everything. But then it may make even more sense.
Blizzard can easily restore your account. Like I said, if hacking proves to be prevalent, it's a big blow for the game and the people who use it. And nothing has yet to indicate that it will be the case, unless it somehow gains the same ginormous user base as WoW which I seriously doubt. No one bothered to hack D2. Hell, some of the pamule accounts are still active, with a four-letter password, full of characters with high runes.
Err... no one did the above. I don't know where you got that impression from. Actually, it was quite the opposite. People found it silly not to use an authenticator.
Sure, if you play a subscription-based MMO where you pour a ton of hours into it, it's reasonable, but for those who don't, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it'll take weeks to level up from 1 to 50+ in D3.
Eh, it was partially directed at those opposed to Authenticators, and possibly partially aimed at the small but vocal crowd who usually seem to pop up in conversations on the topic. I was less referencing anyone in particular here as I was some of the shenanigans the concept seems to inspire in people. Though to be fair, these are/were WoW players we're talking about here. >.>
As for your latter point, that's hard to say, as nobody knows at all how long it'll take to get from 1 to 60 and then gear up (without paying heavily or a group of friends funneling gear to you, which at least early on will likely be hard to come by) for higher difficulty play (Hell and Inferno, if the rumours are true), and as noted above, that also only holds true if you consider your time worthless. I don't.
I don't nerdrage about people "wasting my time" if we're standing around for 20 minutes because someone in the party needs to walk their dog or something, but if I put 100+ hours into each of 5 characters, you bet I'm going to want to protect that account and am not going to want to have to start over from scratch. Even as a non-mmo, the countless hours getting to where I intend to be (unless the game sucks, but from the videos/info we've seen, I do expect literal weeks or more of my life will be spent playing this in the coming years) will hold some value, be it sentimental, financial or simply "I don't want to have to wait for Blizzard to get around to restoring my shit", whether it takes a week or less than a day (assuming they're willing/able to help).
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
I see it as peace of mind. A layer of defenses beyond my password, anti virus and firewall. It's like a condom for your account. Not necessarily cheap per se, and kind of annoying at times, but all it takes is one close call and you'll be thanking the heavens for it.
That's the perfect end to all this authenticator talk.
E: the condom analogy
I don't know. My first thought was that if you're wearing three condoms already (password, anti virus, and firewall) maybe you should just masturbate. For me, all security discussions end with the following.
Security is a trade off. The best you can do is educate yourself, decide for yourself, and accept the consequences.
You can also replace the word security with the word life.
Those three levels of password security can be analogous to the pill, a condom, and pulling out. Rather than wearing three condoms. So y'know, it's less extreme a situation in terms of "too much security" or whatever.
Still, looking at the whole thing at face value, does nobody find the entire concept... bloody stupid? That you might need an authenticator for what might be for many people a strictly single-player game? I don't need an authenticator to protect my Final Fantasy save. I don't need one for Call of Duty either. But Diablo 3 is now going to be so precious that it needs its own bicycle chain to protect it.
It's not Blizzard's fault, mind you. It's just kind of a sad state of things. I've finally wrapped my head around and accepted the need to use one for WoW. That Diablo will now likely need the same level of lockdown just makes me shake my head and sigh.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Still, looking at the whole thing at face value, does nobody find the entire concept... bloody stupid? That you might need an authenticator for what might be for many people a strictly single-player game? I don't need an authenticator to protect my Final Fantasy save. I don't need one for Call of Duty either. But Diablo 3 is now going to be so precious that it needs its own bicycle chain to protect it.
It's not Blizzard's fault, mind you. It's just kind of a sad state of things. I've finally wrapped my head around and accepted the need to use one for WoW. That Diablo will now likely need the same level of lockdown just makes me shake my head and sigh.
Why? It makes perfect sense. The time you spend playing the game is time you could have spent doing something else. If your time has value, then the crap you get in diablo will have value. If data has value and can be traded, it only stands to reason that people will try and steal it. It's sad, in the same way that people engaging in more standard thievery is sad, but it is totally expected.
@Chen the only reason that account loss wasn't a huge deal in diablo 2 was because hackers had way better avenues to acquire goods than by stealing d2 accounts (which still happened). Which may end up still being the case in D3, depending on how easy it is to set up bots and how much you can sell d3 characters for.
@The Wolfman
Not exactly the same thing though.
If someone were to steal your Final Fantasy save you would still be able to play the game but a lost Battle.net account usually removes the option for you to play Diablo 3, and Starcraft 2 and WoW until it is all sorted out.
Just noticed you said you accepted the need for one in WoW, you do know it's the same authenticator for D3? they are not keyed to specific games but to your Battle.net account. If you already have one for Starcraft 2 or WoW you already have all you need for Diablo3
@The Wolfman
Not exactly the same thing though.
If someone were to steal your Final Fantasy save you would still be able to play the game but a lost Battle.net account usually removes the option for you to play Diablo 3, and Starcraft 2 and WoW until it is all sorted out.
Just noticed you said you accepted the need for one in WoW, you do know it's the same authenticator for D3? they are not keyed to specific games but to your Battle.net account. If you already have one for Starcraft 2 or WoW you already have all you need for Diablo3
Yeah, I know it's the same regarding all Battle.net accounts. I just think the whole concept of possibly needing it for D3 is silly. But on that note, I do have some friends who play both WoW and Starcraft 2, and they think it's retarded beyond belief that they have to grab their chain to play Starcraft. Since for all intents and purposes the game doesn't need it.
Plus, has anybody mentioned yet just how bad this shared account deal might just be if D3 hacking really takes off? WoW hacking is still big news. And now, if you get in that, there's a good chance you might also have access to a D3 one as well. 2 games for the price of one hack. A potential motherload for hackers.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
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@The Wolfman
Not exactly the same thing though.
If someone were to steal your Final Fantasy save you would still be able to play the game but a lost Battle.net account usually removes the option for you to play Diablo 3, and Starcraft 2 and WoW until it is all sorted out.
Just noticed you said you accepted the need for one in WoW, you do know it's the same authenticator for D3? they are not keyed to specific games but to your Battle.net account. If you already have one for Starcraft 2 or WoW you already have all you need for Diablo3
Yeah, I know it's the same regarding all Battle.net accounts. I just think the whole concept of possibly needing it for D3 is silly. But on that note, I do have some friends who play both WoW and Starcraft 2, and they think it's retarded beyond belief that they have to grab their chain to play Starcraft. Since for all intents and purposes the game doesn't need it.
Plus, has anybody mentioned yet just how bad this shared account deal might just be if D3 hacking really takes off? WoW hacking is still big news. And now, if you get in that, there's a good chance you might also have access to a D3 one as well. 2 games for the price of one hack. A potential motherload for hackers.
I'm a little lost. You say the idea of needing an authenticator for D3 is silly... then go on to acknowledge the need for a Blizzard authenticator?
In any case, I've got the app on my phone. If that were not an option, I'd be ordering the hard token. It only makes sense to be careful when people have a real reason to get into your account. Of course, if recent events with RSA tokens are any indicator, the system isn't perfect. Never hurts to be safe, though!
SecurID tokens are used in two-factor authentication systems. Each user account is linked to a token, and each token generates a pseudo-random number that changes periodically, typically every 30 or 60 seconds. To log in, the user enters a username, password, and the number shown on their token. The authentication server knows what number a particular token should be showing, and so uses this number to prove that the user is in possession of their token.
The exact sequence of numbers that a token generates is determined by a secret RSA-developed algorithm, and a seed value used to initialize the token. Each token has a different seed, and it's this seed that is linked to each user account. If the algorithm and seed are disclosed, the token itself becomes worthless; the numbers can be calculated in just the same way that the authentication server calculates them.
This admission puts paid to RSA's initial claims that the hack would not allow any "direct attack" on SecurID tokens; wholesale replacement of the tokens can only mean that the tokens currently in the wild do not offer the security that they are supposed to. Sources close to RSA tell Ars that the March breach did indeed result in seeds being compromised. The algorithm is already public knowledge.
Note that this particular breach doesn't affect Blizzard authenticators at all, just RSA SecurID tokens.
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My favorite thing about their logging methods now is that the people who roll alts to troll or harass are caught for it despite deleting the character. Blizzard is more thorough and dedicated to things than people think, but it's hard to recognize the good among the bad.
Instead, a former girlfriend who still plays WoW and lives in the US snagged one for me and sent it up as part of my Christmas present, and to this day the little fob thing sits beside my monitor for use when I decide to fire up Starcraft.
Even when I was playing WoW again (briefly) a few years back when they still made you use it every single time you logged in (including if you got booted off, which could be fairly frequently with server instability) and it wasn't that big a deal. Hitting the button and punching in the code became part of my login procedure, and within a short time frame it was so second nature it barely slowed me down.
I see it as peace of mind. A layer of defenses beyond my password, anti virus and firewall. It's like a condom for your account. Not necessarily cheap per se, and kind of annoying at times, but all it takes is one close call and you'll be thanking the heavens for it.
E: the condom analogy
Any decent password gets into "will the human race still exist?" stretches of time, at least when it comes to brute force. Unfortunately, Battle.net still limits you to 16 characters and isn't case sensitive. Maybe they should beef that up.
Anyway, if someone wants to take the time and steal my fake items, they clearly care more about them than I do. Go for it.
I'm pretty paranoid about IRL issues like money and my identity but s far as online/digital, I never use my real name/address anywhere.
So I'm not too worried about someone trying to haxz0r their way into my TF2/WOW accounts for my phat l3wts.
Nothing they can do can't be undone by Blizzard/Valve/EA so no worries.
More than anything, the actual strength of a password is in its length. I can't help but sigh sadly when I hit the character limit for one.
So instead of having a long obscure password that I can remember easily, I have to make some dumb shit that's short for my convenience and a lot easier to hack.
But who the hell would want to hack my school login?
And since I've already spent like 200 dollars just on the WoW and it's expansions, buying the authenticator kinda made sense.
Also, requiring special characters and numbers isn't nearly as egregious as forbidding them.
E: 6 digits is 20 bits of entropy, using the xkcd comic's rate that's about 17 minutes.
You'd be amazed at how incompetent the average IT security actually is.
See: Sony.
Word. Brute force shouldn't be possible on your server from across the internet.
Apparently I won and mine was one of the 5 winning item names that will be in d3.
I don't know. My first thought was that if you're wearing three condoms already (password, anti virus, and firewall) maybe you should just masturbate. For me, all security discussions end with the following.
Security is a trade off. The best you can do is educate yourself, decide for yourself, and accept the consequences.
You can also replace the word security with the word life.
I really don't remember where I read such a thing.
So I heard that there was a 'leak' and beta invites on the 16th, beta starts 22nd. Quickly spread this around so they have no choice!!!
Congrats Fuga! I wonder if they'll have a little text blurb on the item with an abstract mentioning of the contest.
where did you get this info?
I weigh the risk to the reward. For $5-10 or so (S&H varying) I get assurances that my WoW Account (base game + 2 expansions, call it ~$150 at time of purchase) and all the utterly countless hours put into it (no, really, don't ask me to count them), SC2 ($50-60), SC + BW, D2 + LoD and eventually D3 are significantly protected. And all it costs me is an extra 5 seconds or so when I log in. A great password, good security programs and choices only do so much if some jackass manages to slip something in through a previously unknown exploit or flaw, as has happened in WoW in the past. And if that happens, the greatest password on Earth, my firewall and anti-virus might amount to jack and shit. Sure, in those 10-30 seconds they might guess that 6 digit number, but at least it's a step beyond what they would've had to do otherwise.
Personally I don't fault anyone for not having or using one. That's their prerogative. But mocking, laughing at or making fun of having or using one is goosery in my eyes.
Not that I'm saying you've done as much, Blain. Obviously you've weighed the same pros and cons, and come to the conclusion that it's not a big deal for you. That's awesome.
... but I do hope I get you for Secret Santa this year, because if I do you're totally getting an Authenticator.
Edit: @TheStig / Xeddicus: yeah, we had rumours of a beta start on the 15th squashed earlier, so I too am curious/wary.
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That's hardly a reliable source for video game news. Most of the time, they're full of crap.
Err... no one did the above. I don't know where you got that impression from. Actually, it was quite the opposite. People found it silly not to use an authenticator.
Sure, if you play a subscription-based MMO where you pour a ton of hours into it, it's reasonable, but for those who don't, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like it'll take weeks to level up from 1 to 50+ in D3.
Yeah, it's everyone's choice, no question. But it WILL take weeks to gear your D3 character out. Unless you buy everything. But then it may make even more sense.
Eh, it was partially directed at those opposed to Authenticators, and possibly partially aimed at the small but vocal crowd who usually seem to pop up in conversations on the topic. I was less referencing anyone in particular here as I was some of the shenanigans the concept seems to inspire in people. Though to be fair, these are/were WoW players we're talking about here. >.>
As for your latter point, that's hard to say, as nobody knows at all how long it'll take to get from 1 to 60 and then gear up (without paying heavily or a group of friends funneling gear to you, which at least early on will likely be hard to come by) for higher difficulty play (Hell and Inferno, if the rumours are true), and as noted above, that also only holds true if you consider your time worthless. I don't.
I don't nerdrage about people "wasting my time" if we're standing around for 20 minutes because someone in the party needs to walk their dog or something, but if I put 100+ hours into each of 5 characters, you bet I'm going to want to protect that account and am not going to want to have to start over from scratch. Even as a non-mmo, the countless hours getting to where I intend to be (unless the game sucks, but from the videos/info we've seen, I do expect literal weeks or more of my life will be spent playing this in the coming years) will hold some value, be it sentimental, financial or simply "I don't want to have to wait for Blizzard to get around to restoring my shit", whether it takes a week or less than a day (assuming they're willing/able to help).
Those three levels of password security can be analogous to the pill, a condom, and pulling out. Rather than wearing three condoms. So y'know, it's less extreme a situation in terms of "too much security" or whatever.
It's not Blizzard's fault, mind you. It's just kind of a sad state of things. I've finally wrapped my head around and accepted the need to use one for WoW. That Diablo will now likely need the same level of lockdown just makes me shake my head and sigh.
Why? It makes perfect sense. The time you spend playing the game is time you could have spent doing something else. If your time has value, then the crap you get in diablo will have value. If data has value and can be traded, it only stands to reason that people will try and steal it. It's sad, in the same way that people engaging in more standard thievery is sad, but it is totally expected.
@Chen the only reason that account loss wasn't a huge deal in diablo 2 was because hackers had way better avenues to acquire goods than by stealing d2 accounts (which still happened). Which may end up still being the case in D3, depending on how easy it is to set up bots and how much you can sell d3 characters for.
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Not exactly the same thing though.
If someone were to steal your Final Fantasy save you would still be able to play the game but a lost Battle.net account usually removes the option for you to play Diablo 3, and Starcraft 2 and WoW until it is all sorted out.
Just noticed you said you accepted the need for one in WoW, you do know it's the same authenticator for D3? they are not keyed to specific games but to your Battle.net account. If you already have one for Starcraft 2 or WoW you already have all you need for Diablo3
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Yeah, I know it's the same regarding all Battle.net accounts. I just think the whole concept of possibly needing it for D3 is silly. But on that note, I do have some friends who play both WoW and Starcraft 2, and they think it's retarded beyond belief that they have to grab their chain to play Starcraft. Since for all intents and purposes the game doesn't need it.
Plus, has anybody mentioned yet just how bad this shared account deal might just be if D3 hacking really takes off? WoW hacking is still big news. And now, if you get in that, there's a good chance you might also have access to a D3 one as well. 2 games for the price of one hack. A potential motherload for hackers.
I'm a little lost. You say the idea of needing an authenticator for D3 is silly... then go on to acknowledge the need for a Blizzard authenticator?
In any case, I've got the app on my phone. If that were not an option, I'd be ordering the hard token. It only makes sense to be careful when people have a real reason to get into your account. Of course, if recent events with RSA tokens are any indicator, the system isn't perfect. Never hurts to be safe, though!
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Oh? A cursory Google search isn't showing anything definitive, and it's hard to search without a little more context. What happened?
Note that this particular breach doesn't affect Blizzard authenticators at all, just RSA SecurID tokens.