I'm saying that those problems aren't nearly as big as you make them out to be.
Maybe it's because I play on PC, and the graphics in MW2 are still pretty stellar
Uh.... graphics.... the graphics are all stellar. I really don't care if the graphics get better. I would just like smoother walking animations. The janky jank, is most likely netcode related.
Please don't focus on the graphics aspect of my post, it was an ironic social commentary on mainstream gaming audiences. My bad.
You're absolutely right and I think that exposes exactly where my frustration comes from.
There is no shooter in that old school style anymore.
I'd love to see another Rainbow Six, or Counter-Strike, but I have a feeling that even if such a game were made it would suffer with mediocre netcode/server support on XBL.
I don''t think I can run away to a Battlefield game because of all the vehicles and air support there. It's all very similar.
What's funny is that despite never liking Halo, I really enjoy Reach. It has the slower movement speed and better hit detection I crave while avoiding the chopper gunner and perk driven aspects of CoD.
I really don't hate the Call of Duty franchise, but I know it's hard to have a real discussion about anything on the internet. Used to be able to debate and discourse here on Penny-Arcade without this childish "Your opinion is WROOOONG" nonsense.
I believe that if a magical iteration of CoD came out that matched all my wishes and wants, subconciously or otherwise, Call of Duty fans and even Senshi would love the game and feel that it's not different at all from what makes Modern Warfare what it is.
I'm not asking for it to be a different game.
In fact, I may not whine about the movement speed as much if the hit detection were a little better. That might be netcode or something else, I'm not sure. Everyone is aware of the way the recent CoD games 'skip' bullets when you're shooting? It depends on the gun you're using I think (which is why some weapons are better than others inexplicably) but the first bullet you fire is registered on the server and the third bullet, but the second bullet in a 3 shot burst is essentially a blank. Drives me crazy.
Maybe if that changed, I might not whine about other things so much. I don't know.
I just hope for a new engine and cross my fingers for whatever that new engine brings to the table.
We've had about 4 or 5 games running on the exact same tech now, I think it's probably time to do SOMETHING new with the base engine.
The in-engine cutscenes they were showing in that trailer looked a little... prettier? I didn't see anything in real motion so I can't tell if the game with have a different feel as far as running, aiming, shooting, hitting...
We'll see, right?
If you want to play online shooters these days there isn't much choice, that's why I have to hope that Call of Duty gets better. Counter-Strike is gone.
It isn't that your opinion is wrong.
It's that you facts are wrong.
Salmon'd for lies.
And, yeah, they do need a new non-CoD4 game engine.
But at least it looks like they are using the MW/MW2 version of the engine rather than the W@W/Blops engine, so that already makes the graphics complaint better. Since MW2 still looks better than Blops. (And has better sound than Blops) And, yes, the netcode for the MW/MW2 engine is also better than the W@W/Blops engine.
Counterstrike is still going strong duder, but it was never a military sim. I mean we are talking about a game where you charge in spraying with the M249 or the TMP
Hahaha, yeahhhh I just wish it would hit console... That series could do with a new installment one day. When Valve thinks it can make it worthwhile.
Counterstrike is still going strong duder, but it was never a military sim. I mean we are talking about a game where you charge in spraying with the M249 or the TMP
Hahaha, yeahhhh I just wish it would hit console... That series could do with a new installment one day. When Valve thinks it can make it worthwhile.
It did on OXbox.
Live was still relatively new then, so it didn't do too well.
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CoD, and more specifically the Modern Warfare series of games were never meant to be realistic military shooters, they are arcade shooters with mostly real-world weapons. They're made to feel more like an action movie than real life, and that's why I enjoy them.
Regarding the engine, a new one is really what CoD needs, but like someone else posted at least the IW version is better than the abortion that they were forced to give Treyarch.
Anyway, hate me all you want guys but rest assured that I'm only hoping MW3 is as good as it can be.
I don't hate you [/Adorable Turret] :P
As far as CoD needing a new engine: I don't see the need, MW2 is very purdy. I'll never understand why Treyarch doesn't use the MW engine...
Was it a legal thing?
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding in why I would like a new engine. I don't care about the graphics quality. CoD is gorgeous. I mean GAMEPLAY engine stuff. The way things move, interact, netcode, ect.... I dunno, I just think it could be smoother.
MW2 still looks good. I'd rather have BF3 and MW3 fighting for the best netcode rather than who has the slightly prettier helmet renders while scholars debate the appropriate amount to lead your target due to lag.
MW2 still looks good. I'd rather have BF3 and MW3 fighting for the best netcode rather than who has the slightly prettier helmet renders while scholars debate the appropriate amount to lead your target due to lag.
Pfft!
Who needs to lead a target when you got toobs :P
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Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Graphics aren't really why I think a new engine is needed, netcode is. IW's version is frustrating at best, and the earlier version that Treyarch was given to use for their CoD games is downright bad. That, and the games are starting to get a bit stale.
Other franchises have developed new engines for their titles between new console generations, and Activision could as well if they were to allow the CoD developers to work on a 3-year cycle. Which I already know will never happen. They're just going to keep beating the series to death until consumers get sick of it, same as Guitar Hero.
Anyway, hate me all you want guys but rest assured that I'm only hoping MW3 is as good as it can be.
I don't hate you [/Adorable Turret] :P
As far as CoD needing a new engine: I don't see the need, MW2 is very purdy. I'll never understand why Treyarch doesn't use the MW engine...
Was it a legal thing?
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding in why I would like a new engine. I don't care about the graphics quality. CoD is gorgeous. I mean GAMEPLAY engine stuff. The way things move, interact, netcode, ect.... I dunno, I just think it could be smoother.
*SHRUG*
Man.
CoD has the best movement of all FPS'ers I've played.
That is the entire reason I play CoD. Because the movement is so smooth.
I mean, yeah, Treyarch fucked up their 'lag compensation' system super bad. Like, terrible hard they fucked that pooch in the ass. But the Gameplay is spot on exactly what I want, wrt movement/aiming/shooting mechanics.
Edit: If they add in a cover system I will never buy another Activision game.
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Edit: If they add in a cover system I will never buy another Activision game.
They got one, it's called GET BEHIND SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT YOU.
Not so effective sometimes due to bullet penetration, though.
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Anyway, hate me all you want guys but rest assured that I'm only hoping MW3 is as good as it can be.
I don't hate you [/Adorable Turret] :P
As far as CoD needing a new engine: I don't see the need, MW2 is very purdy. I'll never understand why Treyarch doesn't use the MW engine...
Was it a legal thing?
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding in why I would like a new engine. I don't care about the graphics quality. CoD is gorgeous. I mean GAMEPLAY engine stuff. The way things move, interact, netcode, ect.... I dunno, I just think it could be smoother.
*SHRUG*
Man.
CoD has the best movement of all FPS'ers I've played.
That is the entire reason I play CoD. Because the movement is so smooth.
I mean, yeah, Treyarch fucked up their 'lag compensation' system super bad. Like, terrible hard they fucked that pooch in the ass. But the Gameplay is spot on exactly what I want, wrt movement/aiming/shooting mechanics.
Edit: If they add in a cover system I will never buy another Activision game.
It's nice that the computer uses cover in single player MW.
MW 2 looks better, but the animations are funnier. BLOPS seems to have smoother animations. Some of the reload and walking animations in MW2 just look unreal.
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MW 2 looks better, but the animations are funnier. BLOPS seems to have smoother animations. Some of the reload and walking animations in MW2 just look unreal.
MW 2 looks better, but the animations are funnier. BLOPS seems to have smoother animations. Some of the reload and walking animations in MW2 just look unreal.
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I don't get it.
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MW 2 looks better, but the animations are funnier. BLOPS seems to have smoother animations. Some of the reload and walking animations in MW2 just look unreal.
Everybody loves walrus's
I don't get it.
Care package knifing before they fixed the glitch.
I would be pretty happy if the weapons and attachments were currency-based and the wager matches and contracts stayed, but that titles and emblems went back to being rewarded for completing challenges.
There is a build in Modern Warfare 2 - Tactical Knife, Commando, Marathon, and Lightweight - that we have taken to calling the Witch. They are so called because this nefarious combination results in half-human abominations that can a) run faster than normal, forever, b) fall without damage, and c) teleport to targets killing them instantly. If you're wondering what something like this is doing in a "shooter," whose name ostensibly delineates the standard mode of interaction, well, let us know what you come up with. We're thinking about starting a support group.
There is a build in Modern Warfare 2 - Tactical Knife, Commando, Marathon, and Lightweight - that we have taken to calling the Witch. They are so called because this nefarious combination results in half-human abominations that can a) run faster than normal, forever, b) fall without damage, and c) teleport to targets killing them instantly. If you're wondering what something like this is doing in a "shooter," whose name ostensibly delineates the standard mode of interaction, well, let us know what you come up with. We're thinking about starting a support group.
I guess you mean to say that you want quickscoping to come back, faster movement speed, and the same death animations we've had since CoD4?
I didn't really say anything more than the opposite of that.
I would just like to take the time to say: yes, yes, and ehhh.
Although I guess, playing on PC, quickscoping may not mean the same thing to both of us.
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SenshiBALLING OUT OF CONTROLWavefrontRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
Quickscoping isn't even a problem on PC
actually there aren't many problems, period, on PC
remarkable what a non-gimped control scheme does for a game, amirite
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DomhnallMinty D. Vision!ScotlandRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
RAR! PC VS XBOX. FIGHT!
I'm hoping the amirite means you were being sarcastic.
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SenshiBALLING OUT OF CONTROLWavefrontRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
I guess we'll never know
But seriously, 80% of the console players' problems are not problems on the PC. That's an indisputable fact.
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DomhnallMinty D. Vision!ScotlandRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
Most of them are due to the fact its a console and have nothing to do with the control scheme though. The only problem is auto aim is needed to a certain degree but that leads to quick scoping. Can't think of any others that are caused by the gimped controls.
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Uh.... graphics.... the graphics are all stellar. I really don't care if the graphics get better. I would just like smoother walking animations. The janky jank, is most likely netcode related.
Please don't focus on the graphics aspect of my post, it was an ironic social commentary on mainstream gaming audiences. My bad.
It isn't that your opinion is wrong.
It's that you facts are wrong.
Salmon'd for lies.
And, yeah, they do need a new non-CoD4 game engine.
But at least it looks like they are using the MW/MW2 version of the engine rather than the W@W/Blops engine, so that already makes the graphics complaint better. Since MW2 still looks better than Blops. (And has better sound than Blops) And, yes, the netcode for the MW/MW2 engine is also better than the W@W/Blops engine.
Hahaha, yeahhhh I just wish it would hit console... That series could do with a new installment one day. When Valve thinks it can make it worthwhile.
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But yeah there's no need for a new CS since CS:S has shiny new graphics thanks to a recent update.
Wonder if MW3 will finally dethrone MW2 as the most popular Activision multiplayer title on the PC.
It did on OXbox.
Live was still relatively new then, so it didn't do too well.
I think those stats say something.
Anyway, hate me all you want guys but rest assured that I'm only hoping MW3 is as good as it can be.
Regarding the engine, a new one is really what CoD needs, but like someone else posted at least the IW version is better than the abortion that they were forced to give Treyarch.
I don't hate you [/Adorable Turret] :P
As far as CoD needing a new engine: I don't see the need, MW2 is very purdy. I'll never understand why Treyarch doesn't use the MW engine...
Was it a legal thing?
Yes, we all hate you because you like a different CoD than (some) of us.
Yup. Hate.
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding in why I would like a new engine. I don't care about the graphics quality. CoD is gorgeous. I mean GAMEPLAY engine stuff. The way things move, interact, netcode, ect.... I dunno, I just think it could be smoother.
*SHRUG*
Pfft!
Who needs to lead a target when you got toobs :P
Other franchises have developed new engines for their titles between new console generations, and Activision could as well if they were to allow the CoD developers to work on a 3-year cycle. Which I already know will never happen. They're just going to keep beating the series to death until consumers get sick of it, same as Guitar Hero.
Man.
CoD has the best movement of all FPS'ers I've played.
That is the entire reason I play CoD. Because the movement is so smooth.
I mean, yeah, Treyarch fucked up their 'lag compensation' system super bad. Like, terrible hard they fucked that pooch in the ass. But the Gameplay is spot on exactly what I want, wrt movement/aiming/shooting mechanics.
Edit: If they add in a cover system I will never buy another Activision game.
They got one, it's called GET BEHIND SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT YOU.
Not so effective sometimes due to bullet penetration, though.
Is it funny that that is also how I played Gears of War?
Didn't actually use the button to 'take cover'
Just stood behind things and ducked under low walls and shit.
It's nice that the computer uses cover in single player MW.
MW 2 looks better, but the animations are funnier. BLOPS seems to have smoother animations. Some of the reload and walking animations in MW2 just look unreal.
but they're listening to every word I say
Everybody loves walrus's
I don't get it.
but they're listening to every word I say
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I liked the old system better
I played gun game and sharpshooter far more than any other mode when I rented Black Ops.
Care package knifing before they fixed the glitch.
PA dubbed "walrus-ing"
Jesus, I'm gone for one game release and you fuckers forget all about my terminology.
@gamefacts - Totally and utterly true gaming facts on the regular!
I'm pretty sure it was care package knifing.
I would be pretty happy if the weapons and attachments were currency-based and the wager matches and contracts stayed, but that titles and emblems went back to being rewarded for completing challenges.
like, after the L4D witch
Witching came from Witchblades, the name of the PA strip about MW2.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/30/
Edit:
COMMANDOOOOOOOOOOO
Humorous exaggerations aside, that shit was 100% ridiculous in MW2.
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I would just like to take the time to say: yes, yes, and ehhh.
Although I guess, playing on PC, quickscoping may not mean the same thing to both of us.
actually there aren't many problems, period, on PC
remarkable what a non-gimped control scheme does for a game, amirite
I'm hoping the amirite means you were being sarcastic.
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But seriously, 80% of the console players' problems are not problems on the PC. That's an indisputable fact.
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