I don't really see what the hubbub is. They've done this before already. Remember those rare PSP games that got PS2 ports? Though I think they were limited to the GTA games? Either way, this seems like the logical next step. It just depends how far they decide to support it and what games eventually come out.
It would be nice to really enjoy Monster Hunter and the MGS games. Everybody says they're great, but their controls make me want to choke a bitch.
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First off, the PSP's been out for almost 7 years, so if the same thing happens with the NGP then they sure as hell won't be ported to the PS3, it'll be the PS4.
Secondly, if people are willing to wait 7 f'n years on the chance that NGP games will be ported to the PS4 then they were never going to buy a NGP in the first place. Again, it really is no different from skipping the Wii/DS because the Cafe/3DS will be backwards compatible with them anyway. Yeah sure, that's a great plan, if you're willing to wait 5-7 years for those new systems to actually come out.
I guess the big difference between this and backwards compatibility is how Sony decides to incorporate it. If you buy a Gamecube game or a DS game, you can play it in either a Wii or a GC/DS or a 3DS. If you buy the PSP game, are you going to be able to access the PS3 version? Will you have to buy another disc? Will you have to buy the PS3-specific Monster Hunter or God of War so that it can transfer over to your PSP? Will the data be supported through download-only (which backwards compatibility bypasses completely)? And will you need two versions to enable cross-save sharing?
The press release mentions that this isn't going to support all titles, depends on the user's network status (so if you're offline, you could have a different experience), and isn't supported on the 20GB model. This feature isn't available for every single PS3 from the sounds of things.
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It'll be a developer opt-in thing and will take a small bit of work.
Compere to the NGP thing where there's a subset of game that's PS3-PSN & NGP-PSN at the same time (different than the deal where every NGP exclusive game will be required to be released on cartridge and PSN in contrast to the current PSP model which is opt-in for the PSN version).
Yay! This is very good news to so many people. I love MH and am very happy that it is the first game re-masterd.
Wondering if this is going to be the same game as the MHP3 on NGP launch list?
I love the idea of being able to play a game at home, take it to work and play, then bring it home again. I don't see why anyone would think it will harm portable sales by porting them to PS3, it may only enhance the portable market, as long as they can use the same save game. I thought this was going to be an NGP thing but I guess they are pushing this concept over their whole range (Which is nice).
One thing I am concerned with tho;
NGP is nearly as powerful as a PS3, enabling high def gaming to be swapped from PS3 to NGP and back. ... so next year when Nintendos new console comes out and Microsoft respond with a new powerful console... Will PS3 be reluctant as then the NGP wont be able to handle the new games, killing their whole portable gaming dream?
Just a thought.
I don't really see any mention that this is going to happen anywhere but Japan.
I mentioned in the OP that there are rumors that the games released on BD in Japan will be released on the PSN in NA/PAL, but so far you are correct.
I know the US isn't gay for Monster Hunter the same way that Japan is gay for Monster Hunter, but I wouldn't be surprised if Freedom Unite wasn't one of the best selling PSP games in the US. I'd bet a lot of people in NA and Europe would jump on the chance to be able to play Monster Hunter on the PS3.
Technically the God of War Portable Collection hasn't been confirmed outside of Japan either, but they'd be crazy not to localize that.
We'll probably know more about which games are getting the treatment and where they are headed at E3.
I'm betting that these Remasters are going to be the same as the NGP versions of PSP games that were mentioned when the NGP was announced.
I'm sure we all assumed, but it was confirmed there wouldn't be trophy support added to any PSP Remasters.
Sounds like it depends. The ones that let you transfer saves between PS3 and PSP (like MHP3) obviously can't have trophies, since you'd then be able to cheat. This was basically a required feature if they ever wanted MHP3 fans to bother with the PS3 version. But there are plenty of games that wouldn't need that functionality and could theoretically include trophies (even if they're emulated, they shouldn't be that hard to throw in).
Peace Walker would be an excellent candidate for this. And hey, bonus for PSP players, as you'd have an easier time recruiting an army than the guys playing Remastered only. Actually, that'd be a hell of a way to tie in the whole console/portable dynamic without killing the portable system. If handled correctly, it would make for an interesting incentive to take your game out and about, rather than playing solely on the PS3.....
Of course, this is Sony, and "handled correctly" are two words that they've never seen used in a sentence together....
Peace Walker would be an excellent candidate for this. And hey, bonus for PSP players, as you'd have an easier time recruiting an army than the guys playing Remastered only. Actually, that'd be a hell of a way to tie in the whole console/portable dynamic without killing the portable system. If handled correctly, it would make for an interesting incentive to take your game out and about, rather than playing solely on the PS3.....
Of course, this is Sony, and "handled correctly" are two words that they've never seen used in a sentence together....
Did you miss the announcement or something? They've already said that MHP3 will use Adhoc Party (PS3 app that lets PSP users play adhoc games online), so yeah, PSP and PS3 users will be able to play together.
Peace Walker though? I'm going to go ahead and say no. Why? Because Kojima indicated at the NGP Unveiling in January that he was working on something like that but instead of the PSP, he was referring to the PS3 and NGP. So I'm going to go ahead and say that Peace Walker will be ported to both the PS3 and NGP, instead of just being emulated like MHP3. And thank god too. PSN > Halfassed PSP online.
No, you misunderstand my point (which I didn't really elaborate very well, sorry). In Peace Walker, you can recruit characters on the PSP by scanning access points; like on my commute home, I could be gaining dozens of new soldiers as I get in range of different WiFi signals. That wouldn't work as well on the PS3, therefore the PSP user in this scenario has an easier time filling out his roster. It's not totally unbalancing, as you can gain new troops through the game without the scan feature, but does make it faster/easier for the PSP user. You could say the same for Portable Ops, which had similar features.
I guess my point was, there could be a potential to put incentives like that in the portable iteration, so that you're not totally "killing" the portable platform. Done right, it could even encourage people to want to play on both the portable while on the go and then on the console when at home, synched up to gain whatever roaming perks you unlocked without giving the portable player some unbalancing advantage over his console brethren.
But again, it's something that could be interesting, but would most likely get flubed or screwed up in some supreme way....
I don't think I'll be double-dipping a whole lot, but I recently got the GoW Collection for PS3, and if I like them I'll probably grab the PSP collection to just keep playing on my TV.
Peace Walker. Dammit, you're killing me here. On one hand...Dual Analog and the Best MGS ever. On the other hand...I've already spent 100s of hours on MGSPW. At least with MHTri I just put over 30...my marriage is gonna end at this rate.
I don't think I'll be double-dipping a whole lot, but I recently got the GoW Collection for PS3, and if I like them I'll probably grab the PSP collection to just keep playing on my TV.
How is it double dipping if they're totally different games? The PSP games are God of War 0 and 1.5.
I don't think I'll be double-dipping a whole lot, but I recently got the GoW Collection for PS3, and if I like them I'll probably grab the PSP collection to just keep playing on my TV.
How is it double dipping if they're totally different games? The PSP games are God of War 0 and 1.5.
I meant that I wouldn't be rebuying any of my PSP games in the remaster program, but if I like the GoW games I already have I will buy the PSP remasters instead of just the regular PSP versions like I would have before this program was announced.
No, you misunderstand my point (which I didn't really elaborate very well, sorry). In Peace Walker, you can recruit characters on the PSP by scanning access points; like on my commute home, I could be gaining dozens of new soldiers as I get in range of different WiFi signals. That wouldn't work as well on the PS3, therefore the PSP user in this scenario has an easier time filling out his roster. It's not totally unbalancing, as you can gain new troops through the game without the scan feature, but does make it faster/easier for the PSP user. You could say the same for Portable Ops, which had similar features.
I guess my point was, there could be a potential to put incentives like that in the portable iteration, so that you're not totally "killing" the portable platform. Done right, it could even encourage people to want to play on both the portable while on the go and then on the console when at home, synched up to gain whatever roaming perks you unlocked without giving the portable player some unbalancing advantage over his console brethren.
But again, it's something that could be interesting, but would most likely get flubed or screwed up in some supreme way....
Ah, I get what you were saying now (haven't played my copy of Peace Walker yet but it sounds just like the mechanic in Portable Ops), though I don't think it'd be a smart idea to give one platforms users an advantage. But as I said, I think if it happens, it'll definitely be a PS3/NGP port, using the PSN, so no communication with the PSP version at all. And to be frank, that's the only situation that I'd be happy with, the PSP's online is atrocious.
Some games I'll struggle with the inherent shittiness of a portable to play because they're so good (Elite Beat Agents, 999, the Phoenix Wright games, Chinatown Wars, uh...I think that's mostly it really), but the whole time I'm playing a portable I wish I wasn't
I play them at home anyways, so the portable aspect of them is not a perk, but a detriment.
Yes, I realize that some games (like EBA) are not possible on a home console, while other games would have to make concessions (like Phoenix Wright or Chinatown Wars...and I think both would benefit from not being touchscreen, Chinatown Wars already proved that on PSP). I'm fine with that. I realize I am not the core target of the portable market, much like this move is not aimed at that market but rather the people who don't have portables, possibly for the same reason.
I wonder if this kills the chance for the remastered games to be compatible with the new handheld. Does this mean we'll have three different ways to look at PSP games?
I wonder if this kills the chance for the remastered games to be compatible with the new handheld. Does this mean we'll have three different ways to look at PSP games?
It does. Sounds like things are getting crazy.
HD PSP remasters on PS3. PSP games playable on NGP/Vita. NGP games.. on PS3? Plus any PS2 remasters for PSPNGPPS3. Oi. Plus "Transfarring".
As long as I don't have to buy the same game twice, thrice, or more, then I'm down.
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It would be nice to really enjoy Monster Hunter and the MGS games. Everybody says they're great, but their controls make me want to choke a bitch.
I guess the big difference between this and backwards compatibility is how Sony decides to incorporate it. If you buy a Gamecube game or a DS game, you can play it in either a Wii or a GC/DS or a 3DS. If you buy the PSP game, are you going to be able to access the PS3 version? Will you have to buy another disc? Will you have to buy the PS3-specific Monster Hunter or God of War so that it can transfer over to your PSP? Will the data be supported through download-only (which backwards compatibility bypasses completely)? And will you need two versions to enable cross-save sharing?
The press release mentions that this isn't going to support all titles, depends on the user's network status (so if you're offline, you could have a different experience), and isn't supported on the 20GB model. This feature isn't available for every single PS3 from the sounds of things.
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If you look at the PS2 HD collections it is still only a very small selection.
Compere to the NGP thing where there's a subset of game that's PS3-PSN & NGP-PSN at the same time (different than the deal where every NGP exclusive game will be required to be released on cartridge and PSN in contrast to the current PSP model which is opt-in for the PSN version).
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Wondering if this is going to be the same game as the MHP3 on NGP launch list?
I love the idea of being able to play a game at home, take it to work and play, then bring it home again. I don't see why anyone would think it will harm portable sales by porting them to PS3, it may only enhance the portable market, as long as they can use the same save game. I thought this was going to be an NGP thing but I guess they are pushing this concept over their whole range (Which is nice).
One thing I am concerned with tho;
NGP is nearly as powerful as a PS3, enabling high def gaming to be swapped from PS3 to NGP and back. ... so next year when Nintendos new console comes out and Microsoft respond with a new powerful console... Will PS3 be reluctant as then the NGP wont be able to handle the new games, killing their whole portable gaming dream?
Just a thought.
I mentioned in the OP that there are rumors that the games released on BD in Japan will be released on the PSN in NA/PAL, but so far you are correct.
I know the US isn't gay for Monster Hunter the same way that Japan is gay for Monster Hunter, but I wouldn't be surprised if Freedom Unite wasn't one of the best selling PSP games in the US. I'd bet a lot of people in NA and Europe would jump on the chance to be able to play Monster Hunter on the PS3.
Technically the God of War Portable Collection hasn't been confirmed outside of Japan either, but they'd be crazy not to localize that.
We'll probably know more about which games are getting the treatment and where they are headed at E3.
I'm betting that these Remasters are going to be the same as the NGP versions of PSP games that were mentioned when the NGP was announced.
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Sounds like it depends. The ones that let you transfer saves between PS3 and PSP (like MHP3) obviously can't have trophies, since you'd then be able to cheat. This was basically a required feature if they ever wanted MHP3 fans to bother with the PS3 version. But there are plenty of games that wouldn't need that functionality and could theoretically include trophies (even if they're emulated, they shouldn't be that hard to throw in).
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Of course, this is Sony, and "handled correctly" are two words that they've never seen used in a sentence together....
Peace Walker though? I'm going to go ahead and say no. Why? Because Kojima indicated at the NGP Unveiling in January that he was working on something like that but instead of the PSP, he was referring to the PS3 and NGP. So I'm going to go ahead and say that Peace Walker will be ported to both the PS3 and NGP, instead of just being emulated like MHP3. And thank god too. PSN > Halfassed PSP online.
I guess my point was, there could be a potential to put incentives like that in the portable iteration, so that you're not totally "killing" the portable platform. Done right, it could even encourage people to want to play on both the portable while on the go and then on the console when at home, synched up to gain whatever roaming perks you unlocked without giving the portable player some unbalancing advantage over his console brethren.
But again, it's something that could be interesting, but would most likely get flubed or screwed up in some supreme way....
How is it double dipping if they're totally different games? The PSP games are God of War 0 and 1.5.
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I meant that I wouldn't be rebuying any of my PSP games in the remaster program, but if I like the GoW games I already have I will buy the PSP remasters instead of just the regular PSP versions like I would have before this program was announced.
Ah, I get what you were saying now (haven't played my copy of Peace Walker yet but it sounds just like the mechanic in Portable Ops), though I don't think it'd be a smart idea to give one platforms users an advantage. But as I said, I think if it happens, it'll definitely be a PS3/NGP port, using the PSN, so no communication with the PSP version at all. And to be frank, that's the only situation that I'd be happy with, the PSP's online is atrocious.
Because, you see, I hate portables
But there are some good games on portables!
They are taking the portable out of the equation and letting me play on a big TV with a non-retarded controller!
This is fantastic.
A PSP port of a PS2 game on my PS3
So... you've missed like 2/3rds of the good games this gen? :P
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I play them at home anyways, so the portable aspect of them is not a perk, but a detriment.
Yes, I realize that some games (like EBA) are not possible on a home console, while other games would have to make concessions (like Phoenix Wright or Chinatown Wars...and I think both would benefit from not being touchscreen, Chinatown Wars already proved that on PSP). I'm fine with that. I realize I am not the core target of the portable market, much like this move is not aimed at that market but rather the people who don't have portables, possibly for the same reason.
Well, with cafe's rumored controller, maybe not anymore? :P
Oh god, now I'm wondering how many DS up ports to cafe there will be, if any.
Phoenix wright was ported to the wii, wasn't it?
There's also a PC version.
I wonder if this kills the chance for the remastered games to be compatible with the new handheld. Does this mean we'll have three different ways to look at PSP games?
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HD PSP remasters on PS3. PSP games playable on NGP/Vita. NGP games.. on PS3? Plus any PS2 remasters for PSPNGPPS3. Oi. Plus "Transfarring".
As long as I don't have to buy the same game twice, thrice, or more, then I'm down.
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999? really?
I...I'm having a hard time putting that game anywhere near the phrase "worth playing a handheld for"
I would totally love more novel-type games on portables.
Because it's like reading a book.
And books are portable! See how that works?
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imean i've played games with inferior gameplay for awesome story (NIER FUCK YES YOU ARE AWESOME). 999 was not worth it.
Completed it 100% with no guide. Finding the true endings was pretty easy. The game gave you very distinct clues once it clicked what those clues were after a couple bad endings.
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