EA Origin, or "look at those fucks at Valve making money, I want me some of that"

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edited June 2011 in Social Entropy++
The EA store reopened on June 3rd and was renamed Origin. It is now their answer to the growing number of digital distribution services out there, of which Valve has led the way with Steam. There are, of course, other alternatives (Direct2Drive, Amazon, Impulse, Greenhouse but that seems to be abandoned now, Capsule from Green Man Gaming, and there are probably others I am missing) out there as well, but EA is one of the largest video game publishers in the world, offering titles like the Mass Effect series, Dragon Age, the Battlefield series, etc.

Well, when I first heard of Origin I thought to myself that there would probably be some butting heads between it and Steam. The first evidence of that has come to pass: Crysis 2 has been pulled from Steam and is now being described as available "only on Origin." Except that other services that carried the game still do appear to have the game available (D2D, Amazon, etc). And of course, since the game came out nearly 3 months ago now, the impact is probably minimal, but it sets an interesting precedent and could lead to more EA games staying Origin exclusive. With the way EA has dealt with digital rights management in the past, I am interested in how this whole Origin thing plays out.

Also hoping that it doesn't go to the extreme of no EA games ever being released anywhere else because I like Steam and what they do for the most part.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    I have a hard time being upset about this.

    I guess I'll buy my Bioware releases somewhere else?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I really can't fault EA for wanting to compete with Valve and using their own games to do it.

    That just sort of makes sense, y'know?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    It's not like Valve's letting people buy their games from Direct2Drive or whatever

    Or without installing steam, even

    The difference seems to be that people don't mind using steam

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Absolutely. I hope they have good functionality to go with it. I thought it was an interesting thing to discuss.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    i'm somewhat annoyed in that EA doesn't have a great track record with download manager software (EA Download Manager was awful) and all my gaming community-centric stuff is on Steam.

    i'm also more wary that this will lead to similar moves by Ubisoft, Activision, et al, and we'll suddenly see a glut of direct download services, with tons of great games limited to those services.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    and to be fair to Valve, they've only released their games only on Steam because they were the first ones to successfully pull it off.

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Yeah, Steam was basically built because they needed it to release their games, wasn't it?

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    Valve has the community and support tools for devs to integrate their community into their games. They have a good deal going. I'm interested to see how long Origins lasts unless they do some serious shit to draw people away from Steam.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I really can't fault EA for wanting to compete with Valve and using their own games to do it.

    That just sort of makes sense, y'know?

    I can fault them for all the bullshit they put me through with Spore, though

    I mean, they're fighting the enormous networking benefits of Steam's already tremendous userbase and vendor network

    I just don't see how it's ever going to be something you do anything but grudgingly open up when you want to play an EA game

    edit: also my Steam games list has 93 games on it and is worth $1,262.18

    do they seriously think I'm going to walk away from that in favor of their platform?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    The biggest problems seem to be that steam has a lock on digital distribution from so many companies

    And that anyone who tries to compete with them fails to grasp the convenience of steam's setup

    They always include some kind of DRM or are just plain obtrusive

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  • ScudoScudo Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I think some competition will be healthy, especially since D2D has been kind of left in the dust as a Steam competitor

    but...like, I also hate having to have a bunch of different programs running to buy and play different games.

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  • ScudoScudo Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    in a lot of ways I've drifted away from PC gaming because I hate having to launch a ventrilo server, find a server with enough slots for me and my brother/friends, hurriedly do the "invite a friend" thing on Steam before it fills up, and then play musical chairs to get onto the same team.

    I know "Xbox Live-esque" is like acid to PC gamers after Games for Windows, but I would not mind a more integrated social experience in that vein if they can just do it...not...shittily, and to a greater extent than Steam currently manages to.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Who is going to giver GamersGate a go when they release their free games system?

    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/14/gamesgate-explain-freegames/

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I just like how light the steam interface is and how it handels the social aspect of things.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Yeah, Steam is so entrenched as "that one program" the only way I can see EA competing is by having a downloader, but not necessarily a program that needs to be running at all times

    But then you have to make sure the end user can't just copy the file and torrent it or whatever

    And that's where DRM comes in

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    is the client and everything going to be free

    and moreover

    will they have tons of sales so i can arbitrarily waste money on games i love to have and play in spurts but will never, ever, ever finish

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Good Old Games is the best DD platform.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Macro9 wrote: »
    Who is going to giver GamersGate a go when they release their free games system?

    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/14/gamesgate-explain-freegames/

    This actually sounds pretty cool. Depending on the games available I'll give it a shot.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I tried gametap once

    Or whatever that free client was, that you can download and then get older games for free/cheap as shit or something? Based on a subscription?

    I dunno but I remember cancelling it was like making out with a cactus

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2011
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I don't mind it, but it's a hell of an uphill battle

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  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    If this presages withdrawing other big-name EA stuff from Steam (ME3) I'll be pissed.

    Still, I guess one can't fault them for wanting to compete in a lucrative market.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

    something tells me EA is not interested in competing in price

    pretty sure they're just interested in competing by restricting as many games as they can from distribution on Steam

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

    ...but it's EA that's throwing down.

    i was actually looking at things from the opposite direction: it's a good thing Valve has so far stood in the way of EA being total douches.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I believe the deluxe digital collectors editions of ME3 are already confirmed to be exclusive to Origin

    I doubt they'd risk making the standard version exclusive, though

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Yeah

    No, I'm not using more than one digital distribution program at a time.

    Sorry, Mass Effect 3. I guess I'm buying you retail.

    [edit] Oh, okay.

    Sorry Mass Effect 3: Collector's Deluxe Turbo Edition. I will never know how sweet it is to have Sonic the Hedgehog unlockable for my squad.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2011
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

    something tells me EA is not interested in competing in price

    pretty sure they're just interested in competing by restricting as many games as they can from distribution on Steam

    it seems like that wouldn't really help them compete in the long run!

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    Fugitive wrote: »
    Yeah

    No, I'm not using more than one digital distribution program at a time.

    Sorry, Mass Effect 3. I guess I'm buying you retail.

    yeah.

    the only reason i even used something like big fish games was when i had a job as a reviewer

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Fugitive wrote: »
    Yeah

    No, I'm not using more than one digital distribution program at a time.

    Sorry, Mass Effect 3. I guess I'm buying you retail.

    what if the retail version requires origin to run

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2011
    well I was buying mass effect 3 on the xbox anyways so whatevs

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

    something tells me EA is not interested in competing in price

    pretty sure they're just interested in competing by restricting as many games as they can from distribution on Steam

    it seems like that wouldn't really help them compete in the long run!

    well the download manager failed, too

    did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Fugitive wrote: »
    Yeah

    No, I'm not using more than one digital distribution program at a time.

    Sorry, Mass Effect 3. I guess I'm buying you retail.

    what if the retail version requires origin to run

    There are dark nefarious ways around that.

    Like not buying the game at all, then, thank you very much.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited June 2011
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    I dunno, I don't feel too upset that someone with a lot of clout is throwing down with Valve. I mean, I love Steam, but competition tends to benefit the consumers more than anything soooo

    something tells me EA is not interested in competing in price

    pretty sure they're just interested in competing by restricting as many games as they can from distribution on Steam

    it seems like that wouldn't really help them compete in the long run!

    well the download manager failed, too

    did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

    I mean it seems like this is slightly different than just a download manager and they're actively promoting it

    the key thing will be if they let you download the game after you've owned it for six months because the old policy was some bullshit

    (also I think a lot of dudes have it on their computers now just because of the free ME2 when you buy DA2 thing, so maybe if they're gonna keep throwing free games at me I'll keep it around)

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    well I was buying mass effect 3 on the xbox anyways so whatevs

    yeah this largely doesn't affect me

    I can't think of a single EA game I wouldn't rather play on a console anyway

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I will absolutely install Origin in order to play ME3 because they got their tenterhooks in me good'n'deep

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    well I was buying mass effect 3 on the xbox anyways so whatevs

    yeah this largely doesn't affect me

    I can't think of a single EA game I wouldn't rather play on a console anyway

    but Shoe,

    first they came for the PSNs
    and i didn't speak up because i wasn't an SDF-fanboy

    then they came for the Nintendos
    and i didn't speak up because i wasn't a Mii

    and then they came for the Steams
    and i didn't speak up because i wasn't Steampowered

    then they came for me
    and there was no one to speak out for me

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    I will absolutely install Origin in order to play ME3 because they got their tenterhooks in me good'n'deep

    Yeah. Without a doubt I will fold immediately and buy ME3 for Origin if that's literally the only way I can get it.

    I don't know, would a surge of patronage for only a handful of big-budget titles per year offset the costs of running the servers? Especially if a lot of them end up being retail purchases anyway?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    so Crysis 2 was not removed because of EA
    "It’s unfortunate that Steam has removed Crysis 2 from their service. This was not an EA decision or the result of any action by EA.

    Steam has imposed a set of business terms for developers hoping to sell content on that service – many of which are not imposed by other online game services. Unfortunately, Crytek has an agreement with another download service which violates the new rules from Steam and resulted in its expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam.

    Crysis 2 continues to be available on several other download services including GameStop, Amazon, Origin.com and more."

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    so Crysis 2 was not removed because of EA
    "It’s unfortunate that Steam has removed Crysis 2 from their service. This was not an EA decision or the result of any action by EA.

    Steam has imposed a set of business terms for developers hoping to sell content on that service – many of which are not imposed by other online game services. Unfortunately, Crytek has an agreement with another download service which violates the new rules from Steam and resulted in its expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam.

    Crysis 2 continues to be available on several other download services including GameStop, Amazon, Origin.com and more."

    link? who broke the story?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    http://www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-and-others-disappear-from-steam-eas-relationship-with-steam-unknown-updated/3382/

    it's Patrick Klepek over at Giant Bomb

    although I guess I should point out that that's just what EA is saying.

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