I wouldn't actually defend it, it's stupid. But it's not like, for example, an RE4 save permanently stuck in New Game +. It's more like having all the characters in a fighting game permanently unlocked, and as I said in another thread I have never felt the desire to erase my fighting game saves so I can unlock everything again for shits and giggles.
The only thing it affects is the second hand market, and only purists like us at that. Dudebros would probably be happy to start with a full range of options for playing online.
Speaking of that, I wonder how that'll be set up. Online profiles? They'll probably have to be editable at the very least.
This isn't a fighting game though - this is a story driven game, correct?
No, Mercenaries 3D is the multiplayer / arena-combat focused game. Revelations is the story driven game.
I gather there are skills to unlock, though.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
I wouldn't actually defend it, it's stupid. But it's not like, for example, an RE4 save permanently stuck in New Game +. It's more like having all the characters in a fighting game permanently unlocked, and as I said in another thread I have never felt the desire to erase my fighting game saves so I can unlock everything again for shits and giggles.
The only thing it affects is the second hand market, and only purists like us at that. Dudebros would probably be happy to start with a full range of options for playing online.
Speaking of that, I wonder how that'll be set up. Online profiles? They'll probably have to be editable at the very least.
This isn't a fighting game though - this is a story driven game, correct?
No, Mercenaries 3D is the multiplayer / arena-combat focused game. Revelations is the story driven game.
I gather there are skills to unlock, though.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
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I wouldn't actually defend it, it's stupid. But it's not like, for example, an RE4 save permanently stuck in New Game +. It's more like having all the characters in a fighting game permanently unlocked, and as I said in another thread I have never felt the desire to erase my fighting game saves so I can unlock everything again for shits and giggles.
The only thing it affects is the second hand market, and only purists like us at that. Dudebros would probably be happy to start with a full range of options for playing online.
Speaking of that, I wonder how that'll be set up. Online profiles? They'll probably have to be editable at the very least.
This isn't a fighting game though - this is a story driven game, correct?
No, Mercenaries 3D is the multiplayer / arena-combat focused game. Revelations is the story driven game.
I gather there are skills to unlock, though.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
From what I understand, the way the skills work is that you can equip any three at a given time. In other words it's not like you're all-powerful on a used copy either, you have to use good judgment on which skills to equip.
I could be wrong about that though, maybe everything stacks. We'll know soon enough.
I wouldn't actually defend it, it's stupid. But it's not like, for example, an RE4 save permanently stuck in New Game +. It's more like having all the characters in a fighting game permanently unlocked, and as I said in another thread I have never felt the desire to erase my fighting game saves so I can unlock everything again for shits and giggles.
The only thing it affects is the second hand market, and only purists like us at that. Dudebros would probably be happy to start with a full range of options for playing online.
Speaking of that, I wonder how that'll be set up. Online profiles? They'll probably have to be editable at the very least.
This isn't a fighting game though - this is a story driven game, correct?
No, Mercenaries 3D is the multiplayer / arena-combat focused game. Revelations is the story driven game.
I gather there are skills to unlock, though.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
No one's forcing them to buy used.
I didn't say they were. You said you don't see the negative to buying a game where everything is already unlocked.
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I wouldn't actually defend it, it's stupid. But it's not like, for example, an RE4 save permanently stuck in New Game +. It's more like having all the characters in a fighting game permanently unlocked, and as I said in another thread I have never felt the desire to erase my fighting game saves so I can unlock everything again for shits and giggles.
The only thing it affects is the second hand market, and only purists like us at that. Dudebros would probably be happy to start with a full range of options for playing online.
Speaking of that, I wonder how that'll be set up. Online profiles? They'll probably have to be editable at the very least.
This isn't a fighting game though - this is a story driven game, correct?
No, Mercenaries 3D is the multiplayer / arena-combat focused game. Revelations is the story driven game.
I gather there are skills to unlock, though.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
No one's forcing them to buy used.
I didn't say they were. You said you don't see the negative to buying a game where everything is already unlocked.
Fine, there's a negative for crazy people who like grinding. But they can still buy it new and grind to their hearts' content.
And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
No one's forcing them to buy used.
I didn't say they were. You said you don't see the negative to buying a game where everything is already unlocked.
Fine, there's a negative for crazy people who like grinding. But they can still buy it new and grind to their hearts' content.
Oh, you're one of THOSE people. Fine, never mind, you're always right.
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edited June 2011
I admitted that I was wrong and there is a negative.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
In the most childish way possible, but whatever.
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edited June 2011
Yeah, it was pretty childish. I have a habit of saying things and thinking about them later, leading to situations where I come off as a stupid person and/or a dick.
Anyway, let's move on to more interesting discussions.
To be clear, you're not actually advocating this and calling it a positive thing, are you reVerse? You're not saying that all score attack games should start doing this because it's super great, you're just saying the complaining is unwarranted.
Personally I consider it warranted if you are the sort to sell your games used and Gamestop takes notice of this particular game and starts offering crap money for it. This has already happened in Japan, where they have warnings posted above the game:
(caution): Due to the fact that you cannot delete your Biohazard (Resident Evil) 3DS save file, we will buy back used copies for ¥500 (subject to stock changes).
Sounds like Half Minute Hero Second isn't getting a release outside of Japan. Man that makes me sad. The first is one of the most fun original games on the PSP.
To be clear, you're not actually advocating this and calling it a positive thing, are you reVerse? You're not saying that all score attack games should start doing this because it's super great, you're just saying the complaining is unwarranted.
Yeah, I'm not saying it should be the industry standard or anything, just that it doesn't really seem like a big deal.
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To be clear, you're not actually advocating this and calling it a positive thing, are you reVerse? You're not saying that all score attack games should start doing this because it's super great, you're just saying the complaining is unwarranted.
Personally I consider it warranted if you are the sort to sell your games used and Gamestop takes notice of this particular game and starts offering crap money for it. This has already happened in Japan, where they have warnings posted above the game:
(caution): Due to the fact that you cannot delete your Biohazard (Resident Evil) 3DS save file, we will buy back used copies for ¥500 (subject to stock changes).
But if they did that, people might be willing to pay that extra five bucks to get the game new!
To be clear, you're not actually advocating this and calling it a positive thing, are you reVerse? You're not saying that all score attack games should start doing this because it's super great, you're just saying the complaining is unwarranted.
Personally I consider it warranted if you are the sort to sell your games used and Gamestop takes notice of this particular game and starts offering crap money for it. This has already happened in Japan, where they have warnings posted above the game:
(caution): Due to the fact that you cannot delete your Biohazard (Resident Evil) 3DS save file, we will buy back used copies for ¥500 (subject to stock changes).
This kind of warning will be as unwelcome to publishers as the "Warning might cause 5 hour erections!" warnings are to the makers of Viagra and competitors.
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This kind of warning will be as unwelcome to publishers as the "Warning might cause 5 hour erections!" warnings are to the makers of Viagra and competitors.
You mean, not at all? :P Viagra sells like crazy.
Honestly, it sounds like this thing is causing just enough blowback to encourage Capcom to not do this kind of thing in the future.
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edited June 2011
Well...I think what he means is that 500 yen is what...five bucks?
Meaning that because of the save file thing...the store is buying the game back for even less than they usually would...which is kind of a win situation for the publisher.
That being said...probably means that the used copy would be sold for less too...so that isn't so much win.
This kind of warning will be as unwelcome to publishers as the "Warning might cause 5 hour erections!" warnings are to the makers of Viagra and competitors.
You mean, not at all? :P Viagra sells like crazy.
Honestly, it sounds like this thing is causing just enough blowback to encourage Capcom to not do this kind of thing in the future.
I dunno. Who wouldn't want don't buy this game used warnings put up for their game? I was thinking that used sales would be discouraged overall.
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This kind of warning will be as unwelcome to publishers as the "Warning might cause 5 hour erections!" warnings are to the makers of Viagra and competitors.
You mean, not at all? :P Viagra sells like crazy.
Honestly, it sounds like this thing is causing just enough blowback to encourage Capcom to not do this kind of thing in the future.
I dunno. Who wouldn't want don't buy this game used warnings put up for their game? I was thinking that used sales would be discouraged overall.
It's more of a "don't expect to be able to sell this game back to us for much money" warning. Which is just as bad. How many other games do you see with warnings of any sort hanging above the shelf?
Unless this is a common thing in Japan. I do know that their used game market is out of control, everybody buys games, races to complete them and sells them back ASAP before their value drops. It might be the only country that really requires a sign like that.
I'm hoping for homebrew that allows you to delete the save game. Not being able to delete it harms everybody.
By the time it surfaces it'll be too late - in fact I don't know if it would ever help the used situation. How would Gamestop know that you cleared its data? They don't have time to check each card. They can't sell it as new. It'd be bought and sold for the same price as every used copy.
And how many people will go to the trouble to crack their system and clear the saves for complete strangers when they're just offloading a used game?
Really, Capcom? I swear to god if this starts a new trend for companies I'll be pissed.
so hey remember last thread where I pointed out it wouldn't be long until publishers started taking even more hard-line measures to kill the second hand market?
Namco Europe Junior Community Manager Charlotte Toci has retracted her statement from April, where she claimed a Microsoft exclusivity contract was preventing Tales of Vesperia from seeing a PlayStation 3 release in the west. Her statement, issued on Facebook, apologizes for wrongly “sharing a false information to fans.”
Here’s the thing in full:
A few months ago I replied to a fan who asked me why Tales of Vesperia wasn’t localized in Europe on my Facebook page. I replied that it was because of a Microsoft exclusivity, thinking that that was the reason why, even though I didn’t have any official information on that.
I was wrong to do so, and sadly my reply was relayed on many websites, thus sharing a false information to fans around the web.
I would like to send my sincere apologies to all the Tales Series fans I have wrongly informed, and Microsoft & Namco Bandai for any damage that might have been caused with this.
You see that green hat on my head with all the dead presidents on it? That's not actually a moneyhat.
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George Hotz, also known as "GeoHot" on the Internet, is now working at Facebook, the company confirms. Hotz is best known for both his iPhone hacking skills and as the person who jailbroke and reverse engineered Sony's PlayStation 3, leading to legal battles. In April, Sony announced it reached a settlement with Hotz, with Hotz agreeing to a permanent injunction against publishing any further code.
His mad hacking skillz will come very much in handy with Facebook's... er... why the christ does Facebook need a console hacker?
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
I was just thinking about the whole locked save thing. What happens if something were to go wrong and your save corrupts. Is that game then forever unplayable or unsaveable to you?
George Hotz, also known as "GeoHot" on the Internet, is now working at Facebook, the company confirms. Hotz is best known for both his iPhone hacking skills and as the person who jailbroke and reverse engineered Sony's PlayStation 3, leading to legal battles. In April, Sony announced it reached a settlement with Hotz, with Hotz agreeing to a permanent injunction against publishing any further code.
I was just thinking about the whole locked save thing. What happens if something were to go wrong and your save corrupts. Is that game then forever unplayable or unsaveable to you?
Typically, modern cartridge games keep multiple save files hidden in the background. When a save corrupts, it reverts to one of the previous saves. It's highly unlikely that every save would become compromised.
I guess if every save stopped working, the game would behave like the first time you played it every time you turned it on, same as every other game when their saves quit working (which again is a super rare occurrence).
Given how vulnerable Facebook is right now (see FireSheep and more recently FaceNiff), they definitely need someone on staff who can think about security with an attacker's mindset.
Sony was too busy trying to sue him when he had nothing to do with piracy and was only one of many that worked on the PS3 hack (Sony didn't go after the European Fail Overflow guys for some reason).
Hah, the 500 yen buyback value of mercenaries is especially hilarious given that only yesterday capcom were adamant the second hand value would be "retained".
Also, I am totally not bitter that when I linked the story yesterday no-one commented until someone else brought it up 2 pages later :P
Doesn't this whole save thing only really affect 3DS games? And maybe the Vita, though I don't know much about how they're handling saves with their weird system. It's not like you can pull this off with current hard drive saving that disc games have. And besides... it's Capcom. Aren't they the ones who have that fucked up DRM that requires you to be logged in to Live/PSN for a few of their games?
If the next gen reverted back to carts with integrated saving, I'd be worried if people start playing follow the leader. Outside that... I don't see the big deal... yet.
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It could affect the Vita and 3DS. That's a big enough chunk of the gaming sector to be worried. Plus if this is succesful, what next?
Hopefully Sony has on their "things all vita games must do" list "be able to delete any and all data". The fact it wasn't on Nintendo's is annoying, although I would have never expected anyone to pull such a dick move.
Doesn't this whole save thing only really affect 3DS games? And maybe the Vita, though I don't know much about how they're handling saves with their weird system. It's not like you can pull this off with current hard drive saving that disc games have. And besides... it's Capcom. Aren't they the ones who have that fucked up DRM that requires you to be logged in to Live/PSN for a few of their games?
If the next gen reverted back to carts with integrated saving, I'd be worried if people start playing follow the leader. Outside that... I don't see the big deal... yet.
Region free and saves on dedicated memory would definitely be things Sony could use against Nintendo.
The company said today it appointed David Maisel, former chairman of Marvel Studios, which produced the “Iron Man” films, to be special adviser and executive producer of “Angry Birds” movies. A veteran of Hollywood agencies, Maisel led the sale of Marvel Entertainment to Disney in 2010.
Sweet merciful crap.
Two things to keep in mind:
1) Hollywood churned out three Shrek movies and the only thing those had going for it were Mike Myers' 'comical' Scots accent.
2) This is Marvel, a company that couldn't help itself in fucking up its own built-in properties.
2a) This is Disney, a company that can't do anything without Pixar's name on it.
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And if you buy the game used you get them unlocked right off the bat. I don't see the negative to this.
edit: It would be funny if Angry Birds became the Pokémon of a new generation.
Because for some people getting the prizes IS the game.
No one's forcing them to buy used.
I could be wrong about that though, maybe everything stacks. We'll know soon enough.
I didn't say they were. You said you don't see the negative to buying a game where everything is already unlocked.
Fine, there's a negative for crazy people who like grinding. But they can still buy it new and grind to their hearts' content.
Oh, you're one of THOSE people. Fine, never mind, you're always right.
Anyway, let's move on to more interesting discussions.
Personally I consider it warranted if you are the sort to sell your games used and Gamestop takes notice of this particular game and starts offering crap money for it. This has already happened in Japan, where they have warnings posted above the game:
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Yeah, I'm not saying it should be the industry standard or anything, just that it doesn't really seem like a big deal.
But if they did that, people might be willing to pay that extra five bucks to get the game new!
This kind of warning will be as unwelcome to publishers as the "Warning might cause 5 hour erections!" warnings are to the makers of Viagra and competitors.
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You mean, not at all? :P Viagra sells like crazy.
Honestly, it sounds like this thing is causing just enough blowback to encourage Capcom to not do this kind of thing in the future.
Meaning that because of the save file thing...the store is buying the game back for even less than they usually would...which is kind of a win situation for the publisher.
That being said...probably means that the used copy would be sold for less too...so that isn't so much win.
I dunno. Who wouldn't want don't buy this game used warnings put up for their game? I was thinking that used sales would be discouraged overall.
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It's more of a "don't expect to be able to sell this game back to us for much money" warning. Which is just as bad. How many other games do you see with warnings of any sort hanging above the shelf?
Unless this is a common thing in Japan. I do know that their used game market is out of control, everybody buys games, races to complete them and sells them back ASAP before their value drops. It might be the only country that really requires a sign like that.
By the time it surfaces it'll be too late - in fact I don't know if it would ever help the used situation. How would Gamestop know that you cleared its data? They don't have time to check each card. They can't sell it as new. It'd be bought and sold for the same price as every used copy.
And how many people will go to the trouble to crack their system and clear the saves for complete strangers when they're just offloading a used game?
so hey remember last thread where I pointed out it wouldn't be long until publishers started taking even more hard-line measures to kill the second hand market?
Oh what the hell...
You see that green hat on my head with all the dead presidents on it? That's not actually a moneyhat.
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_hires_famous_iphone_and_sony_hacker_geohot_george_hotz.php
His mad hacking skillz will come very much in handy with Facebook's... er... why the christ does Facebook need a console hacker?
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This has to be a hoax.
Typically, modern cartridge games keep multiple save files hidden in the background. When a save corrupts, it reverts to one of the previous saves. It's highly unlikely that every save would become compromised.
I guess if every save stopped working, the game would behave like the first time you played it every time you turned it on, same as every other game when their saves quit working (which again is a super rare occurrence).
And cell phone hacker (remember, he hacked the iPhone). And technology hacker.
But to answer the question... because he knows his code and knows electronic security?
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Maybe Sony should've hired him then.
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Also, I am totally not bitter that when I linked the story yesterday no-one commented until someone else brought it up 2 pages later :P
If the next gen reverted back to carts with integrated saving, I'd be worried if people start playing follow the leader. Outside that... I don't see the big deal... yet.
Hopefully Sony has on their "things all vita games must do" list "be able to delete any and all data". The fact it wasn't on Nintendo's is annoying, although I would have never expected anyone to pull such a dick move.
But hey, it's capcom.
Region free and saves on dedicated memory would definitely be things Sony could use against Nintendo.
Yeah, hiring a dude with a grudge against your company is great idea.
The saves and game DLC are saved to the game card. But as long as they don't let people lock saves down, its fine.
I feel like maybe this game is important in making sure this shit doesn't happen again. The reaction has been almost entirely negative.
Two things to keep in mind:
1) Hollywood churned out three Shrek movies and the only thing those had going for it were Mike Myers' 'comical' Scots accent.
2) This is Marvel, a company that couldn't help itself in fucking up its own built-in properties.
2a) This is Disney, a company that can't do anything without Pixar's name on it.
It'll suck. And they'll make lots of it.
Just like now!
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