Nintendo have their faults, but I wouldn't want to game in a world without Nintendo. The Wii has been my favorite console this generation, and it's had some of the best games of the generation on it. If you don't like what they do, then don't buy the next system, I'm not sure why you would want the company to fall and take away those experiences from people that enjoy them.
I love Nintendo games, but could really do without their consoles. The only games I buy for their consoles are Nintendo games, and it has been that way since the N64. If I could buy Nintendo games still and not have to worry about shelling out $2-300 for another console, that'd be great.
Nintendo have their faults, but I wouldn't want to game in a world without Nintendo. The Wii has been my favorite console this generation, and it's had some of the best games of the generation on it. If you don't like what they do, then don't buy the next system, I'm not sure why you would want the company to fall and take away those experiences from people that enjoy them.
I love Nintendo games, but could really do without their consoles. The only games I buy for their consoles are Nintendo games, and it has been that way since the N64. If I could buy Nintendo games still and not have to worry about shelling out $2-300 for another console, that'd be great.
That sounds like a personal problem then. The Wii has a bunch of non-Nintendo exclusives that collectively ought to appeal to just about anyone.
The controller has the circle pads similar in design to the 3DS, which in many ways, is superior to analog sticks.
What ways is that? The only 3DS games I have so far are Street Fighter and Dead or Alive and for both of those I vastly prefer the Dpad over the circle pad. That could just be because they're fighting games, but when I played SF4 with the 360 controller I thought the analog stick was just fine.
1. The WiiU supports USB external harddrives, so where's the problem?
Installs. Caching. Room for large patches. And even if you can play downloaded games on external hard drives, there's still the issue of what kind of formatting and file size limits.
I love Nintendo games, but could really do without their consoles. The only games I buy for their consoles are Nintendo games, and it has been that way since the N64. If I could buy Nintendo games still and not have to worry about shelling out $2-300 for another console, that'd be great.
That's a choice thing though, and you can make that choice when the WiiU comes out.
But Nintendo tends to do much that inovates the industry with their console. (rumble, analog, motion controls) and who knows if some of this stuff would have come about without Nintendo paving the way.
What ways is that? The only 3DS games I have so far are Street Fighter and Dead or Alive and for both of those I vastly prefer the Dpad over the circle pad. That could just be because they're fighting games, but when I played SF4 with the 360 controller I thought the analog stick was just fine.
Haven't tried on any of the fighting games, but at least with Zelda and Rayman, it works wonderfully.
2. The controller has the circle pads similar in design to the 3DS, which in many ways, is superior to analog sticks.
Not in the slightest.
That's not a very informative argument.
Obviously any listed advantages are going to sound extremely small and petty, because let's face it, we're talking about tiny sticks you twiddle with your thumbs here, but the main advantage is that they don't tilt and dig into your thumb at the edges and/or let your thumb slide off because it's at an angle.
At the very least, they are as good as analog sticks, because you don't consciously notice any difference when using them. They just plain work. The WiiU ones are said to be even better than the 3DS's too, considering they're essentially the tops of nunchuck joysticks.
The level of self-entitlement is astounding. Nintendo is a business. They don't owe you anything. Likewise you don't owe them anything. If you don't like what they're doing then don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet etc. Or you could offer to support this movement instead of bickering about Nintendo's business decisions on an Internet forum.
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1. The WiiU supports USB external harddrives, so where's the problem?
Installs. Caching. Room for large patches. And even if you can play downloaded games on external hard drives, there's still the issue of what kind of formatting and file size limits.
But you can do all of this with an external harddrive. Still not seeing the issue, especially since you can get decent sized harddrives for really cheap nowadays.
What ways is that? The only 3DS games I have so far are Street Fighter and Dead or Alive and for both of those I vastly prefer the Dpad over the circle pad. That could just be because they're fighting games, but when I played SF4 with the 360 controller I thought the analog stick was just fine.
Haven't tried on any of the fighting games, but at least with Zelda and Rayman, it works wonderfully.
Yeah, I'd imagine it works well enough when only being used for movement and not having to do specific motions to do special moves.
1. The WiiU supports USB external harddrives, so where's the problem?
Installs. Caching. Room for large patches. And even if you can play downloaded games on external hard drives, there's still the issue of what kind of formatting and file size limits.
But you can do all of this with an external harddrive. Still not seeing the issue, especially since you can get decent sized harddrives for really cheap nowadays.
Technically, yeah. But don't you think Nintendo would enforce some file size limits for updates and DLC? Limits that would likely be based off how much internal storage the machine has.
I would love if WiiU games are gonna be available as download, like some 360 and PS3 games and pretty much all PC games are, but if there's any truth to the rumors of it only having 8GB of internal storage that doesn't seem too likely to happen.
The level of self-entitlement is astounding. Nintendo is a business. They don't owe you anything. Likewise you don't owe them anything. If you don't like what they're doing then don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet etc. Or you could offer to support this movement instead of bickering about Nintendo's business decisions on an Internet forum.
But I DO want to buy their products and I can't because thay aren't localised! You can see how this is frustrating on a personal level even if rationally you know it is just a numbers game and you don't represent a profitable demographic.
Internet whining is the closest to relief we can get! You can't take that away!
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Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
Yea, this thing with Xendoblade and Last Story is hugely dissapointing. Nintendo has a huge lack of software this year, and these games are already made and localized...why not just shoot them over here so there is some good stuff while we wait for Zelda.
It just doesn't make any sense as to why they won't do it.
Is there some rule saying only one Western Nintendo branch must be competent at any one time?
As for Endless Ocean 1-2. Valve's Portal series is kinda the same way. Release fun budget title people enjoy. Suddenly sell the next one at full game price.
Uh, Valve's philosophy is very different from Nintendo. Valve is going to keep on slashing the price of Portal 2, including it as a freebie in bundles and eventually it may even become freeware. Nintendo tries to keep the price of its software high to train their users to pay a premium for the Nintendo brand.
Valve realized they can gouge their userbase with the most bullshit DLC pricing ever conceived. And Endless Ocean 2 was released in the states at bargain price with Wii Speak bundled in. It was full price in Europe?
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Is there some rule saying only one Western Nintendo branch must be competent at any one time?
As for Endless Ocean 1-2. Valve's Portal series is kinda the same way. Release fun budget title people enjoy. Suddenly sell the next one at full game price.
Uh, Valve's philosophy is very different from Nintendo. Valve is going to keep on slashing the price of Portal 2, including it as a freebie in bundles and eventually it may even become freeware. Nintendo tries to keep the price of its software high to train their users to pay a premium for the Nintendo brand.
Valve realized they can gouge their userbase with the most bullshit DLC pricing ever conceived. And Endless Ocean 2 was released in the states at bargain price with Wii Speak bundled in. It was full price in Europe?
You mean the TF2 item shop? That's not actually content, but weapons that can be unlocked simply by playing the game and cosmetic items.
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edited June 2011
I'm curious how this will turn out, as other companies have folded to major fan movements before. Not sure how Nintendo will answer this considering how well S&P2 did here after they released that due to fan demand.
I mean it worked for Jericho. That's the answer! We need to mail thousands of peanuts to Nintendo!
Hmm, I wanted to point out that Arc Rise Fantasia didn't do too great in the USA, but...
It actually sold 100K units there, while it sold 60K units in Japan!
That is NOT a bad number! but even so, Last Story and Xenoblade both sold 170K in Japan alone.
So well, don't give me any business excuses. I hope everyone realizes that one of the reasons we won't be seeing these games is Nintendos big Zelda release that's coming up.
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Yea, this thing with Xendoblade and Last Story is hugely dissapointing. Nintendo has a huge lack of software this year, and these games are already made and localized...why not just shoot them over here so there is some good stuff while we wait for Zelda.
It just doesn't make any sense as to why they won't do it.
the Wii right now is kind of feeling like the Gamecube all over again
the part about the end of its life cycle being a barren wasteland, sparsely dotted with first party Nintendo releases.
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Yea, this thing with Xendoblade and Last Story is hugely dissapointing. Nintendo has a huge lack of software this year, and these games are already made and localized...why not just shoot them over here so there is some good stuff while we wait for Zelda.
It just doesn't make any sense as to why they won't do it.
the Wii right now is kind of feeling like the Gamecube all over again
the part about the end of its life cycle being a barren wasteland, sparsely dotted with first party Nintendo releases.
Mario Party 9 and Kirby Wii....that's it for my purchases this year before Zelda.
Thank god this year is full of pretty awesome releses for my 3DS and 360.
Hmm, I wanted to point out that Arc Rise Fantasia didn't do too great in the USA, but...
It actually sold 100K units there, while it sold 60K units in Japan!
That is NOT a bad number! but even so, Last Story and Xenoblade both sold 170K in Japan alone.
So well, don't give me any business excuses. I hope everyone realizes that one of the reasons we won't be seeing these games is Nintendos big Zelda release that's coming up.
Except that between localization costs, print fees, rating fees, marketing costs, opportunity costs and currency exchange rates, sales number forecasts don't paint the whole picture. You can say the localization is already done and it's just a matter of a copy and paste job, but in reality it's not as easy, and I don't mean just removing the letter 'u' from words. The publisher likely wants to hit a specific age rating and the ESRB obviously has different standards than the Japanese and the European rating systems. That means changing the text and adjusting the letter boxes to accomodate the text, which means more coding and testing. Skyward Sword probably plays a factor, and probably a million other things too.
"Due to the shenanigans of a vocal minority skewing our sales forecasts, we have asked Amazon to de-list Monado from their pre-order system. Fuck you guys; I'm seriously pissed. I had to climb out of me hooker-filled money vault to give this press conference. You guys owe me big."
The level of self-entitlement is astounding. Nintendo is a business. They don't owe you anything. Likewise you don't owe them anything. If you don't like what they're doing then don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet etc. Or you could offer to support this movement instead of bickering about Nintendo's business decisions on an Internet forum.
When all is said and done, I disagree with you.
I am usually the first person to cry "entitlement complex" here, especially with regard to G&T. But in this case we are talking about the dissemination of art.
Yes, Nintendo is a business. No, they aren't and shouldn't be legally obligated to provide any specific product to any particular region.
However, I think the gatekeepers of art do have some moral duty to trend toward global dissemination over regionalization, especially now, with the global systems we have in place and the nature of this specific industry where data can be easily transmitted across the sea without the need for physical delivery.
I know I am reducing this subject to an almost absurd degree, but at the end of the day we can either shrug and just accept what companies offer us, or we can in turn offer up our own voices in protest. In this case, I don't see an entitlement complex. Consumers simply want the ability to consume certain products, and legitimately.
Look, I don't expect any company to take a loss for the purposes of disseminating entertainment products overseas, but I do expect them to make a better effort of it. In my opinion, these companies fall back on the excuse of "it won't make money" too often. Maybe if they spent more money advertising these so-called niche products, and maybe if Nintendo had paid more attention to what they were doing with the Wii in America in the first place, it WOULD make money. Or it would at least break even.
And breaking even isn't a bad thing. Companies like Square Enix more or less have a perpetual middle finger pointed up at non-Japanese regions. They might not make a killing porting their Final Mixes and International Versions over here but I refuse to believe they would take a loss. So, to me, it comes down to laziness. I expect better of Nintendo. I expect better of Square Enix. When you have much smaller publishers like ATLUS at least making a damn good effort to properly port/localize AND market their products overseas, then you have to ask yourself why Square and Nintendo can't do the same.
It's because they don't have to and because nobody calls them on it.
Well...we can call them on it. They will never actually "have to" do anything, but that doesn't mean that we who want to purchase and experience these things have an entitlement complex in pointing out how crappy the current consumer situation is.
To borrow a phrase: You'll catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.
My point is that bickering and whining will get you nowhere. E-mailing Nintendo vehemently will not help your cause. Instead, like has been stated over and over in the IGN thread, e-mail the Nintendo representatives politely about the games you want published. You'll probably get a standard customer service reply, but this is the way to grab Nintendo's attention, not by using angry words and wish them to go the Sega route.
Don't forget that we know they're paying attention to Club Nintendo feedback.
Every time they ask for an opinion on anything, don't forget to add 'Oh yeah and publish Last Story and Xenoblade'.
Probably fruitless as they'll see it's not related to the game in question, but it's something.
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Dear Reggie,
As a fan of your company and of RPGs, I was extremely excited about the reveal of Monado which was later retitled Xenoblade. After it's reveal at E3 2008 it quickly became one of my most anticipated games for the Wii, and as more information, screens, and trailers were released my interest only expanded. I am deeply concerned that this game has no North American release planned, especially considering the sparse lineup on the wii in the next year. I have been a Loyal fan of this company for over 25 years, and yet there hasn't been a game worth getting on your console for nearly 8 months... and nothing on the horizon to be excited about besides Kirby and Zelda, and yet Xenoblade sits completed, and soon to be localized for Europe in English. Please consider your company's fans, please bring Xenoblade to us.
Sincerely,
(your name here - signed)
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edited June 2011
This is a little old so I shouldn't be commenting on it, but...
I don't see why everyone is upset that the Wii U won't have a standard hard drive and will "only" have 8GB of internal storage. I see people saying it won't be able to do things the 360 can, but they seem to forget the that hard drive on the 360 is optional as well.
The level of self-entitlement is astounding. Nintendo is a business. They don't owe you anything. Likewise you don't owe them anything. If you don't like what they're doing then don't buy their products. Vote with your wallet etc. Or you could offer to support this movement instead of bickering about Nintendo's business decisions on an Internet forum.
When all is said and done, I disagree with you.
I am usually the first person to cry "entitlement complex" here, especially with regard to G&T. But in this case we are talking about the dissemination of art.
Yes, Nintendo is a business. No, they aren't and shouldn't be legally obligated to provide any specific product to any particular region.
However, I think the gatekeepers of art do have some moral duty to trend toward global dissemination over regionalization, especially now, with the global systems we have in place and the nature of this specific industry where data can be easily transmitted across the sea without the need for physical delivery.
I know I am reducing this subject to an almost absurd degree, but at the end of the day we can either shrug and just accept what companies offer us, or we can in turn offer up our own voices in protest. In this case, I don't see an entitlement complex. Consumers simply want the ability to consume certain products, and legitimately.
Look, I don't expect any company to take a loss for the purposes of disseminating entertainment products overseas, but I do expect them to make a better effort of it. In my opinion, these companies fall back on the excuse of "it won't make money" too often. Maybe if they spent more money advertising these so-called niche products, and maybe if Nintendo had paid more attention to what they were doing with the Wii in America in the first place, it WOULD make money. Or it would at least break even.
And breaking even isn't a bad thing. Companies like Square Enix more or less have a perpetual middle finger pointed up at non-Japanese regions. They might not make a killing porting their Final Mixes and International Versions over here but I refuse to believe they would take a loss. So, to me, it comes down to laziness. I expect better of Nintendo. I expect better of Square Enix. When you have much smaller publishers like ATLUS at least making a damn good effort to properly port/localize AND market their products overseas, then you have to ask yourself why Square and Nintendo can't do the same.
It's because they don't have to and because nobody calls them on it.
Well...we can call them on it. They will never actually "have to" do anything, but that doesn't mean that we who want to purchase and experience these things have an entitlement complex in pointing out how crappy the current consumer situation is.
I just think they should throw some of their long time fans and supporters who don't care too much for Wii Fitness a fucking bone. I mean. God damn.
If Atlus can do it, Nintendo has no good reason not to.
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I love Nintendo games, but could really do without their consoles. The only games I buy for their consoles are Nintendo games, and it has been that way since the N64. If I could buy Nintendo games still and not have to worry about shelling out $2-300 for another console, that'd be great.
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That sounds like a personal problem then. The Wii has a bunch of non-Nintendo exclusives that collectively ought to appeal to just about anyone.
What ways is that? The only 3DS games I have so far are Street Fighter and Dead or Alive and for both of those I vastly prefer the Dpad over the circle pad. That could just be because they're fighting games, but when I played SF4 with the 360 controller I thought the analog stick was just fine.
Installs. Caching. Room for large patches. And even if you can play downloaded games on external hard drives, there's still the issue of what kind of formatting and file size limits.
Not in the slightest.
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That's a choice thing though, and you can make that choice when the WiiU comes out.
But Nintendo tends to do much that inovates the industry with their console. (rumble, analog, motion controls) and who knows if some of this stuff would have come about without Nintendo paving the way.
Haven't tried on any of the fighting games, but at least with Zelda and Rayman, it works wonderfully.
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That's not a very informative argument.
Obviously any listed advantages are going to sound extremely small and petty, because let's face it, we're talking about tiny sticks you twiddle with your thumbs here, but the main advantage is that they don't tilt and dig into your thumb at the edges and/or let your thumb slide off because it's at an angle.
At the very least, they are as good as analog sticks, because you don't consciously notice any difference when using them. They just plain work. The WiiU ones are said to be even better than the 3DS's too, considering they're essentially the tops of nunchuck joysticks.
But you can do all of this with an external harddrive. Still not seeing the issue, especially since you can get decent sized harddrives for really cheap nowadays.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Yeah, I'd imagine it works well enough when only being used for movement and not having to do specific motions to do special moves.
EDIT: by the time they DO get localized, the WiiU will be out.
I will buy a WiiU for these titles alone :P
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Technically, yeah. But don't you think Nintendo would enforce some file size limits for updates and DLC? Limits that would likely be based off how much internal storage the machine has.
I would love if WiiU games are gonna be available as download, like some 360 and PS3 games and pretty much all PC games are, but if there's any truth to the rumors of it only having 8GB of internal storage that doesn't seem too likely to happen.
But I DO want to buy their products and I can't because thay aren't localised! You can see how this is frustrating on a personal level even if rationally you know it is just a numbers game and you don't represent a profitable demographic.
Internet whining is the closest to relief we can get! You can't take that away!
It just doesn't make any sense as to why they won't do it.
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On that subject, anyone have any links to lists of recommended imports for the Wii? Kind of curious what else I've missed.
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Valve realized they can gouge their userbase with the most bullshit DLC pricing ever conceived. And Endless Ocean 2 was released in the states at bargain price with Wii Speak bundled in. It was full price in Europe?
You mean the TF2 item shop? That's not actually content, but weapons that can be unlocked simply by playing the game and cosmetic items.
http://topics.jp.msn.com/digital/game/article.aspx?articleid=622143
(And the Japanese sales of Xenoblade are going up.)
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I mean it worked for Jericho. That's the answer! We need to mail thousands of peanuts to Nintendo!
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It actually sold 100K units there, while it sold 60K units in Japan!
That is NOT a bad number! but even so, Last Story and Xenoblade both sold 170K in Japan alone.
So well, don't give me any business excuses. I hope everyone realizes that one of the reasons we won't be seeing these games is Nintendos big Zelda release that's coming up.
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the Wii right now is kind of feeling like the Gamecube all over again
the part about the end of its life cycle being a barren wasteland, sparsely dotted with first party Nintendo releases.
Mario Party 9 and Kirby Wii....that's it for my purchases this year before Zelda.
Thank god this year is full of pretty awesome releses for my 3DS and 360.
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If anything will speak to Nintendo, it'll be the potential for cash money that Amazon represents.
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"Due to the shenanigans of a vocal minority skewing our sales forecasts, we have asked Amazon to de-list Monado from their pre-order system. Fuck you guys; I'm seriously pissed. I had to climb out of me hooker-filled money vault to give this press conference. You guys owe me big."
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_xenoblade_chronicles_32883_33122.html#top
You can hear some of the English localization in section 4, "A Vast World, Intricately Detailed," the video link that says "quest."
It's clearly been British-localized.
Which only makes me want it more, because I like that accent in my RPGs.
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When all is said and done, I disagree with you.
I am usually the first person to cry "entitlement complex" here, especially with regard to G&T. But in this case we are talking about the dissemination of art.
Yes, Nintendo is a business. No, they aren't and shouldn't be legally obligated to provide any specific product to any particular region.
However, I think the gatekeepers of art do have some moral duty to trend toward global dissemination over regionalization, especially now, with the global systems we have in place and the nature of this specific industry where data can be easily transmitted across the sea without the need for physical delivery.
I know I am reducing this subject to an almost absurd degree, but at the end of the day we can either shrug and just accept what companies offer us, or we can in turn offer up our own voices in protest. In this case, I don't see an entitlement complex. Consumers simply want the ability to consume certain products, and legitimately.
Look, I don't expect any company to take a loss for the purposes of disseminating entertainment products overseas, but I do expect them to make a better effort of it. In my opinion, these companies fall back on the excuse of "it won't make money" too often. Maybe if they spent more money advertising these so-called niche products, and maybe if Nintendo had paid more attention to what they were doing with the Wii in America in the first place, it WOULD make money. Or it would at least break even.
And breaking even isn't a bad thing. Companies like Square Enix more or less have a perpetual middle finger pointed up at non-Japanese regions. They might not make a killing porting their Final Mixes and International Versions over here but I refuse to believe they would take a loss. So, to me, it comes down to laziness. I expect better of Nintendo. I expect better of Square Enix. When you have much smaller publishers like ATLUS at least making a damn good effort to properly port/localize AND market their products overseas, then you have to ask yourself why Square and Nintendo can't do the same.
It's because they don't have to and because nobody calls them on it.
Well...we can call them on it. They will never actually "have to" do anything, but that doesn't mean that we who want to purchase and experience these things have an entitlement complex in pointing out how crappy the current consumer situation is.
My point is that bickering and whining will get you nowhere. E-mailing Nintendo vehemently will not help your cause. Instead, like has been stated over and over in the IGN thread, e-mail the Nintendo representatives politely about the games you want published. You'll probably get a standard customer service reply, but this is the way to grab Nintendo's attention, not by using angry words and wish them to go the Sega route.
Every time they ask for an opinion on anything, don't forget to add 'Oh yeah and publish Last Story and Xenoblade'.
Probably fruitless as they'll see it's not related to the game in question, but it's something.
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Dear Reggie,
As a fan of your company and of RPGs, I was extremely excited about the reveal of Monado which was later retitled Xenoblade. After it's reveal at E3 2008 it quickly became one of my most anticipated games for the Wii, and as more information, screens, and trailers were released my interest only expanded. I am deeply concerned that this game has no North American release planned, especially considering the sparse lineup on the wii in the next year. I have been a Loyal fan of this company for over 25 years, and yet there hasn't been a game worth getting on your console for nearly 8 months... and nothing on the horizon to be excited about besides Kirby and Zelda, and yet Xenoblade sits completed, and soon to be localized for Europe in English. Please consider your company's fans, please bring Xenoblade to us.
Sincerely,
(your name here - signed)
I don't see why everyone is upset that the Wii U won't have a standard hard drive and will "only" have 8GB of internal storage. I see people saying it won't be able to do things the 360 can, but they seem to forget the that hard drive on the 360 is optional as well.
I just think they should throw some of their long time fans and supporters who don't care too much for Wii Fitness a fucking bone. I mean. God damn.
If Atlus can do it, Nintendo has no good reason not to.