duty isn't fun, gentlemen. wipe the smiles off your faces. if the scumrace knew that their existence gave others brief happiness, they might be motivated to exist a while longer.
Bah.
If one can't take pleasure in duty, what can one take pleasure in?
if it turns out that most batarians are wonderful beings i'll still kill them all for having bad PR and not doing anything about it
Seems reasonable. Look at the Geth--the alleged "philosopher kings" looked at their genocidal brethern and said, "Well, okay, just turn off the lights when you leave. We're going to burry our heads in the sand until the Universe ends."
It's a PR nightmare. The Batarians could have the most thorough social revolution ever, totally upheaveling their society and establishing the most egalitarian nation in known space (except, perhaps, the Geth), and people would still go, "The Batarians," or "The vile Batarians..."
The difference, of course, is that the Geth are self-sufficient mostly, and burry their heads in the sand of the Veil. Most people still think "insane religious fanatic who murder organics" when they see Geth because there's no indication otherwise. If the Batarians did the same thing, it wouldn't really solve their problems. And even if you took slavery from the Batarians, presumably they'd still need to interact with people who hate them for the multi-eyed slaving bastards they were. Trade and stuff.
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I'm referring too the art video they had where they basically said they couldn't make the Krogan too big because they had to fit them on a human frame for animation and gameplay reasons.
Basically, I was just shooting down your inane reason for why a Yahg squaddie wouldn't be possible. Not saying we would get one, just saying that having one isn't the insurmountable task you're trying to make it out to be.
I was just shooting down your inane expectation that the changes might actually be implemented to existing canon (albeit from DLC). Though, as both of us have said, they could do enough hand-waving to make it possible, it's just extremely unlikely. I may be giving Bioware way to much credit, but I doubt hey're jumping over eachother to say, "Yeah, the Yahg are actually much, much shorter. Because."*
For the Batarians....Bioware was able to sufficiently convince themselves in the transformation of a group of religious fanatics into a small minority of a much less malevolent group. Doing the same thing to the Batarians wouldn't be as convincing because of the assumption we know much more about the Batarians than we did about the Geth, but Bioware might not feel that's the case. Who knows? It's all in their hands. Enter the handwaving, perhaps.
*Though if we looked at DA versus DA2....
Umm...I don't think Bioware convinced themselves of anything. It can be inferred from talks with Tali in ME1 that there is more to the Geth than being crazed killing machines. I think that's just people placing their own assumptions on limited information.
And actually, what I'm suggesting with the Yahg has nothing to do with lore. What I was saying was strictly gameplay related, since you seemed to have a problem with them being able to get through doors.
Even though now that I think about it...the
Shadow Broker isn't even that much bigger than Shepard during the fight. Vertically at least, he's a little bigger horizontally though.
So I don't know what you're complaining about to begin with.
You can see when he stands erect he's a lot taller but he spends most his time hunched over.
That being said I could see problems with taking cover and such since most of their mass is in the body area and isn't distributed equally with the legs.
Is it actually important to spoiler at this point for any plot reason? Or did you just do that for organization reasons? Just wondering if we were still spoilering the LotSB information.
He's shorter than I remember, but he's still wide enough to cause a problem (or a bunch of hilarious clipping issues, whichever Bioware prefers). I'm hoping Bioware won't resort to "all doors must be 'this' big" simply because it can be as jarring as 'all walls must be waist high'. And a squadmate who can't hide behind the same half-walls as everyone else in a gunfight? Yeah, surprise, that'll be a problem.
Though yes, that is an problem independent of doors. Doors simply came to mind first, though that Youtube video demonstrates that they couldn't hide behind cover. Unless they get their own special shield that pops up every time they need to take cover...no thank you, personally.
Bioware's treatment of the species in general leaves a lot of wiggle-room. The Geth have more than others (since they're purely homicidal maniacs in presentation, and have no real personalities to discern of in ME1), but I doubt the Batarians don't have enough to pull off something like that if Bioware desired it.
The question is, I think, whether Bioware wants to see player reactions to that specific situation that badly (or if they already decided they were going to do this). I assumed that pretty much all the squadmates in the game had been announced (not including DLC), but I haven't followed it as closely as others.
duty isn't fun, gentlemen. wipe the smiles off your faces. if the scumrace knew that their existence gave others brief happiness, they might be motivated to exist a while longer.
Bah.
If one can't take pleasure in duty, what can one take pleasure in?
let's not get too happy about this. it's basically cleaning up dogshit left at the park. if you're enjoying yourself, you've got something wrong with you, friend.
duty isn't fun, gentlemen. wipe the smiles off your faces. if the scumrace knew that their existence gave others brief happiness, they might be motivated to exist a while longer.
Bah.
If one can't take pleasure in duty, what can one take pleasure in?
let's not get too happy about this. it's basically cleaning up dogshit left at the park. if you're enjoying yourself, you've got something wrong with you, friend.
The way you put it, Nuzak, along with your avatar made me think of this, despite my best efforts:
The question is, I think, whether Bioware wants to see player reactions to that specific situation that badly (or if they already decided they were going to do this). I assumed that pretty much all the squadmates in the game had been announced (not including DLC), but I haven't followed it as closely as others.
Only new Squadmate we know of so far is Vega, otherwise its the ME1 cast minus Wrex and dead human. They have said that there will be fewer permanent squadmates than in ME2 though, and many old ones will be showing up as temporary squadmates for one offs (Legion and Mordin are sort of looking like this at this point)
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Is it actually important to spoiler at this point for any plot reason? Or did you just do that for organization reasons? Just wondering if we were still spoilering the LotSB information.
He's shorter than I remember, but he's still wide enough to cause a problem (or a bunch of hilarious clipping issues, whichever Bioware prefers). I'm hoping Bioware won't resort to "all doors must be 'this' big" simply because it can be as jarring as 'all walls must be waist high'. And a squadmate who can't hide behind the same half-walls as everyone else in a gunfight? Yeah, surprise, that'll be a problem.
Though yes, that is an problem independent of doors. Doors simply came to mind first, though that Youtube video demonstrates that they couldn't hide behind cover. Unless they get their own special shield that pops up every time they need to take cover...no thank you, personally.
Bioware's treatment of the species in general leaves a lot of wiggle-room. The Geth have more than others (since they're purely homicidal maniacs in presentation, and have no real personalities to discern of in ME1), but I doubt the Batarians don't have enough to pull off something like that if Bioware desired it.
The question is, I think, whether Bioware wants to see player reactions to that specific situation that badly (or if they already decided they were going to do this). I assumed that pretty much all the squadmates in the game had been announced (not including DLC), but I haven't followed it as closely as others.
Well, yeah.
Like I said earlier, from what I got from Arrival the Batarian caste system seems to have a pretty big divide.
So, I'm sure if Bioware wanted they could have the Batarian's be very split and show that their are ones on the homework who don't agree with their practices or whatever.
@Zore: I'm thinking at the least they're probably have around 3 new squadmates with balanced ability trees. Because Ash and Kaiden couldn't be killed in ME2 guarantees them for ME3 so that is an extra squadmate right there.
The question is, I think, whether Bioware wants to see player reactions to that specific situation that badly (or if they already decided they were going to do this). I assumed that pretty much all the squadmates in the game had been announced (not including DLC), but I haven't followed it as closely as others.
Only new Squadmate we know of so far is Vega, otherwise its the ME1 cast minus Wrex and dead human. They have said that there will be fewer permanent squadmates than in ME2 though, and many old ones will be showing up as temporary squadmates for one offs (Legion and Mordin are sort of looking like this at this point)
I actually like the idea of temporary squadmates, I have to admit, since having the very large number you had in ME2 makes hell for resolving a longrunning plot like this. Of course, I say that, and then someone I really want permanently (like Kasumi) gets a single twenty-minute chapter.....FFFFFFFFF-
Getting a "everyone can be compassionate" thing with the batarians would be the worst. Like, the devil isn't compassionate. A species that is literally made of devils is okay to hate.
That said, the idea of a cocky asshole batarian whose attitude is captured by these pictures:
who was constantly smugging it up about his presence being mandated by the Alliance for a post-Arrival peace treaty or something would be pretty funny, right up until the airlocking over the sound of his protests about galactic law. That would be a pretty awesome squadmate.
Unless...of course, Bioware pulls something out of their ass. "Okay, the Shadow Broker? Turns out he was the biggest Yahg ever. On the 'roids. The rest are tiny wimps by comparison. And here's your squadmate--all the uglyness of the Yahg in a conveniently sized mini-package."
I don't know how to tell you this, but the volus are actually the normal yahg in suits.
Seems reasonable. Look at the Geth--the alleged "philosopher kings" looked at their genocidal brethern and said, "Well, okay, just turn off the lights when you leave. We're going to burry our heads in the sand until the Universe ends."
To be fair, it's not exactly like they were on speaking terms with...anyone, what with the whole "shoot the robomurderers first" mentality, and anonymous, random broadcasts would be about as convincing as Alex Jones. Also, there were clues to the geth not all sucking before, like the station they had broadcasting quarian opera beyond the veil.
Unless...of course, Bioware pulls something out of their ass. "Okay, the Shadow Broker? Turns out he was the biggest Yahg ever. On the 'roids. The rest are tiny wimps by comparison. And here's your squadmate--all the uglyness of the Yahg in a conveniently sized mini-package."
I don't know how to tell you this, but the volus are actually the normal yahg in suits.
Seems reasonable. Look at the Geth--the alleged "philosopher kings" looked at their genocidal brethern and said, "Well, okay, just turn off the lights when you leave. We're going to burry our heads in the sand until the Universe ends."
To be fair, it's not exactly like they were on speaking terms with...anyone, what with the whole "shoot the robomurderers first" mentality, and anonymous, random broadcasts would be about as convincing as Alex Jones. Also, there were clues to the geth not all sucking before, like the station they had broadcasting quarian opera beyond the veil.
Small details like that, of course, could easily be implemented into ME3 over the course of the narrative (though it doesn't hurt the theory that you won't get this transformation). The Geth are lucky since we're a lot less likely to apply morality to them then the breathing, living Batarians. In the end though, the Geth decided it wasn't their problem (and, to be fair, it wasn't, it was only the problem of the people the Geth murdered) until quite recently. Plus, when 99% of your "species" interaction with other species, in the last century, is murder, torture, and zombie-making, it's a lot easier to not deal with the problem.
I hope we get a Batarian in ME3 that runs a orphanage for human children that he personally rescued from slavers, and all the children call him Papa, and love him genuinely.
And then we show the children the grinder in the basement he used to make their food, and all the pairs of shoes belonging to the unfortunates he didn't think would fetch a good price.
After they throw him in, Miranda blots away their tears with a handkerchief she kept in her cleavage.
Do we really need Miranda's ass to obstruct the camera and to say more stupid things?
Mirandas ass obstructs all of existence
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The CDN did have a story on a morally decent Batarian. Ran a charity to help orphaned kids who wound up with other cultures. Nothing to indicate he was anything other than on the up and up.
Of course, he was
1) Raised by humans.
2) With the last name "Clark", which is possibly a Superman reference.
3) If so, the family was Kansas farm folk from Smallville, who are supernaturally good people. Freakishly good. You know how Superman is borderline saintly, to the point where most people call him boring? How he doesn't even use his X-Ray eyes to look at women naked without their consent like anyone else would?
Kents. A whole lot of DC back issues in alternate realities show us that, without the Kents, he'd be like pretty much anyone else with those powers. By which I mean the greatest menace humanity has ever seen, and also a colossal jackass, rather than a bit of a jackass.
Making a Batarian an almost tolerable member of society? I'd say the Kents or an analogue might be up to that.
Batarians worked for the Blue Suns, with humans. So they all aren't anti-human.
It would be awesome if they made the Zaeed replacement (if he died) to be an ex-Blue Suns batarian. He could be a massive jerk you'd be forced to use. I mainly want them to troll the fanbase some more.
Batarians worked for the Blue Suns, with humans. So they all aren't anti-human.
It would be awesome if they made the Zaeed replacement (if he died) to be an ex-Blue Suns batarian. He could be a massive jerk you'd be forced to use. I mainly want them to troll the fanbase some more.
The Batarian Mercenary Mechanic whom you hilariously stab in the bag with a wielding torch is probably the most polite, most straightforward, least-prejudiced mercenary you meet in the entirety of ME2, or a top contender, anyway. Of course, he could just be really good at hiding his feelings, or maybe he's all business.
Shepard and Garrus look on, determined, as Sovereign breaks through the Citadel defenses, the camera panning around them as they slowly rise to their feet.
More than likely this will be another video game movie that will go through development hell and never see the light of day. So far it seems they only have the writer attached (who did both Thor and The Cell), and Legendary Films is the production company, who brought us the World of Warcraft movie.... oh wait.
Skimming the article at first was also very misleading. I thought for a second that Guillermo Del Toro was going to direct, which would have been exciting. But I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and hear what they have to say at Comic-con about it.
If it does all go through I demand a 5 minute scene of just "Wrex" "Shepard".
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Even if there were a Mass Effect movie, it won't star Jennifer Hale, so what-evs.
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EDIT: Someone bring up the photoshop of Cera Shepard from months ago. That's what the movie would be like.
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Meh...honestly my main concern really is that being that ME doesn't have much of a name outside of gaming circles I doubt it would recieve the budget to do it justice, really.
Jennifer Hale dubbed over vanderloo in a movie would be the best thing.
The best.
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I was playing through LotSB last night and discovered that you can suffer instant death in the Azure parking lot. You know how the last hover-truck loses control and crashes into the building? Well, le'ts just say that you don't want to be standing i the wrong place when that happens.
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I was playing through LotSB last night and discovered that you can suffer instant death in the Azure parking lot. You know how the last hover-truck loses control and crashes into the building? Well, le'ts just say that you don't want to be standing i the wrong place when that happens.
Bah ha ha ha, whoops!
Also, I was playing as a fem shep, but one of the dossiers in SB's lair refer to Shep as "he" and "him"
What is this nonsense?! :evil:
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I was playing through LotSB last night and discovered that you can suffer instant death in the Azure parking lot. You know how the last hover-truck loses control and crashes into the building? Well, le'ts just say that you don't want to be standing i the wrong place when that happens.
Bah ha ha ha, whoops!
Also, I was playing as a fem shep, but one of the dossiers in SB's lair refer to Shep as "he" and "him"
What is this nonsense?! :evil:
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Bah.
If one can't take pleasure in duty, what can one take pleasure in?
Why I fear the ocean.
Seems reasonable. Look at the Geth--the alleged "philosopher kings" looked at their genocidal brethern and said, "Well, okay, just turn off the lights when you leave. We're going to burry our heads in the sand until the Universe ends."
It's a PR nightmare. The Batarians could have the most thorough social revolution ever, totally upheaveling their society and establishing the most egalitarian nation in known space (except, perhaps, the Geth), and people would still go, "The Batarians," or "The vile Batarians..."
The difference, of course, is that the Geth are self-sufficient mostly, and burry their heads in the sand of the Veil. Most people still think "insane religious fanatic who murder organics" when they see Geth because there's no indication otherwise. If the Batarians did the same thing, it wouldn't really solve their problems. And even if you took slavery from the Batarians, presumably they'd still need to interact with people who hate them for the multi-eyed slaving bastards they were. Trade and stuff.
Umm...I don't think Bioware convinced themselves of anything. It can be inferred from talks with Tali in ME1 that there is more to the Geth than being crazed killing machines. I think that's just people placing their own assumptions on limited information.
And actually, what I'm suggesting with the Yahg has nothing to do with lore. What I was saying was strictly gameplay related, since you seemed to have a problem with them being able to get through doors.
Even though now that I think about it...the
So I don't know what you're complaining about to begin with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8WmOcMguSY
You can see when he stands erect he's a lot taller but he spends most his time hunched over.
That being said I could see problems with taking cover and such since most of their mass is in the body area and isn't distributed equally with the legs.
Though yes, that is an problem independent of doors. Doors simply came to mind first, though that Youtube video demonstrates that they couldn't hide behind cover. Unless they get their own special shield that pops up every time they need to take cover...no thank you, personally.
Bioware's treatment of the species in general leaves a lot of wiggle-room. The Geth have more than others (since they're purely homicidal maniacs in presentation, and have no real personalities to discern of in ME1), but I doubt the Batarians don't have enough to pull off something like that if Bioware desired it.
The question is, I think, whether Bioware wants to see player reactions to that specific situation that badly (or if they already decided they were going to do this). I assumed that pretty much all the squadmates in the game had been announced (not including DLC), but I haven't followed it as closely as others.
let's not get too happy about this. it's basically cleaning up dogshit left at the park. if you're enjoying yourself, you've got something wrong with you, friend.
The way you put it, Nuzak, along with your avatar made me think of this, despite my best efforts:
From HBO's Conspiracy
Only new Squadmate we know of so far is Vega, otherwise its the ME1 cast minus Wrex and dead human. They have said that there will be fewer permanent squadmates than in ME2 though, and many old ones will be showing up as temporary squadmates for one offs (Legion and Mordin are sort of looking like this at this point)
Well, yeah.
Like I said earlier, from what I got from Arrival the Batarian caste system seems to have a pretty big divide.
So, I'm sure if Bioware wanted they could have the Batarian's be very split and show that their are ones on the homework who don't agree with their practices or whatever.
@Zore: I'm thinking at the least they're probably have around 3 new squadmates with balanced ability trees. Because Ash and Kaiden couldn't be killed in ME2 guarantees them for ME3 so that is an extra squadmate right there.
I actually like the idea of temporary squadmates, I have to admit, since having the very large number you had in ME2 makes hell for resolving a longrunning plot like this. Of course, I say that, and then someone I really want permanently (like Kasumi) gets a single twenty-minute chapter.....FFFFFFFFF-
(If I'm lucky.)
That said, the idea of a cocky asshole batarian whose attitude is captured by these pictures:
who was constantly smugging it up about his presence being mandated by the Alliance for a post-Arrival peace treaty or something would be pretty funny, right up until the airlocking over the sound of his protests about galactic law. That would be a pretty awesome squadmate.
I don't know how to tell you this, but the volus are actually the normal yahg in suits.
To be fair, it's not exactly like they were on speaking terms with...anyone, what with the whole "shoot the robomurderers first" mentality, and anonymous, random broadcasts would be about as convincing as Alex Jones. Also, there were clues to the geth not all sucking before, like the station they had broadcasting quarian opera beyond the veil.
The 'Roids theory strikes again!
Small details like that, of course, could easily be implemented into ME3 over the course of the narrative (though it doesn't hurt the theory that you won't get this transformation). The Geth are lucky since we're a lot less likely to apply morality to them then the breathing, living Batarians. In the end though, the Geth decided it wasn't their problem (and, to be fair, it wasn't, it was only the problem of the people the Geth murdered) until quite recently. Plus, when 99% of your "species" interaction with other species, in the last century, is murder, torture, and zombie-making, it's a lot easier to not deal with the problem.
And that he talks in limericks
After they throw him in, Miranda blots away their tears with a handkerchief she kept in her cleavage.
Mirandas ass obstructs all of existence
Of course, he was
1) Raised by humans.
2) With the last name "Clark", which is possibly a Superman reference.
3) If so, the family was Kansas farm folk from Smallville, who are supernaturally good people. Freakishly good. You know how Superman is borderline saintly, to the point where most people call him boring? How he doesn't even use his X-Ray eyes to look at women naked without their consent like anyone else would?
Kents. A whole lot of DC back issues in alternate realities show us that, without the Kents, he'd be like pretty much anyone else with those powers. By which I mean the greatest menace humanity has ever seen, and also a colossal jackass, rather than a bit of a jackass.
Making a Batarian an almost tolerable member of society? I'd say the Kents or an analogue might be up to that.
Why I fear the ocean.
It would be awesome if they made the Zaeed replacement (if he died) to be an ex-Blue Suns batarian. He could be a massive jerk you'd be forced to use. I mainly want them to troll the fanbase some more.
I admire your dedication to the limerick angle.
I, too, think of the Irish when I think of Batarians.
...
Wait.
The Batarian Mercenary Mechanic whom you hilariously stab in the bag with a wielding torch is probably the most polite, most straightforward, least-prejudiced mercenary you meet in the entirety of ME2, or a top contender, anyway. Of course, he could just be really good at hiding his feelings, or maybe he's all business.
I really wish it wouldn't.
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Shepard and Garrus look on, determined, as Sovereign breaks through the Citadel defenses, the camera panning around them as they slowly rise to their feet.
Garrus: "Shit just got real."
More than likely this will be another video game movie that will go through development hell and never see the light of day. So far it seems they only have the writer attached (who did both Thor and The Cell), and Legendary Films is the production company, who brought us the World of Warcraft movie.... oh wait.
Skimming the article at first was also very misleading. I thought for a second that Guillermo Del Toro was going to direct, which would have been exciting. But I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and hear what they have to say at Comic-con about it.
If it does all go through I demand a 5 minute scene of just "Wrex" "Shepard".
As already said, what-evs.
EDIT: Someone bring up the photoshop of Cera Shepard from months ago. That's what the movie would be like.
Commander Shepard has to fight Liara's seven evil exs, while managing fallout from every other relationship he's been in?
I might see that.
Why I fear the ocean.
I think Hudson said they were differant
Edit: If they really wanted, they could use vanderloo shepard and even dub over his lips.
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Being Irish, I find this incredibly slanderous to Batarians as a whole. We drink far more than they do.
Bah ha ha ha, whoops!
Also, I was playing as a fem shep, but one of the dossiers in SB's lair refer to Shep as "he" and "him"
What is this nonsense?! :evil:
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