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[Alphas] It's like Heroes but a lot better, seriously.

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    Alphas was excellent this week again. Good solid story.

    Klatu what are you finding wrong with Alphas? It's at an equivalent level, or possibly just better than Eureka's first season.

  • KlatuKlatu Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi OiRegistered User regular
    I can't place my finger on it. It's nothing big, hence why I come back week after week, it's just something small that I'm yet to define.

    The characters in Eureka and WH13 grab me more than in Alphas. It could be the lack of a "Jack Carter" or "Pete Lattimer" style char. Goofy, good-guy type.

    As I said, I'm hopeful that they'll pick it up a little and it will be enough to pique my interest.

    Calling it now, the last ep of the season will be either a mass escape/uprising of all the Alphas from Binginham (or whatever it's called), or the team will be 'imprisoned' there for the cliff-hanger.

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    I hope for season 2 (or 3 if it makes it that long) the team finally goes rogue after realizing how the people they've been working for are treating/testing the Alphas they capture and fine themselves trying beat the government to new alphas and also still having to deal with red flag. Basically it'll all be shades of grey and not "this side is good, this side is evil".

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    I hope one, or two, of the team dies.

    Hopefully the angry FBI man and either Nina or Rachel.

  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    If Rachel is the super senses chick then I'm game for her to die. I'm kind of interested it the downsides to Nina's "push" abilities. I can see plenty of bad things that can come of it beyond them simply mentioning it's downside. I'd like to see flashbacks to when the doc first found her, or perhaps in a future episode(s) we see her ability become less controlled due to a hit in her mental well-being and she starts to go unhinged. Lots of room there.

    Rachel, the adult chick with the overbaring mommy and daddy who constantly get brought up every episode and who is basically a mcguffin of a CSI lab on two legs needs to eat a bullet. Between the teams two abilities to "push" almost anyone into telling you what they know and the ability to track people down by the scent they left when touching something the group is almost overpowered in the detective area. The only bit left is for Bill and generic dude to do some fighting and gun play.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Alphas using their abilities to create cults, interesting. Gary was awesome again.

  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    And Brent Spiner is in the next episode! :D

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    i tried watching this show and man the acting and writing are so uneven

    there are moments of solidity and moments of just the worst, most cheesy garbage

    the kid who plays Gary is always great, and his dynamic with other characters is good, but...the overly cheerful score, the blunt expository dialogue, the monster of the week style of episode, it just feels really inauthentic

    but there are also times when it can be kind of clever or fun, and moments where the writing is good. maybe i will wait a bit and see if season 2 is more steady.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    yeah it's very uneven

    they need to grimdark it a bit too

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  • StraygatsbyStraygatsby Registered User regular
    I still like this show, but you can feel producers playing tug of war with the package. Like Evil notes above, it can be so uneven. I think part of the Sci-Fi camp (including, presumably, the creative staff) wants this to be a grownup superhero show while another part wants to shoehorn it into the wacky, goofy (and to note: more popular) Warehouse 13/Eureka-verse (especially with Eureka shutting down next year). They already have a rogue show that can't find its tone with Haven, and they don't seem to know what to do with this one, either.

    That said, I still think they're doing a pretty good job of keeping it interesting. I blame most of that on the written power concepts and David Strahairn, who single-handedly buoys his entire team's acting chops department.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I think it's one of the best shows I've seen on TV in a while, and has solidly redeemed scifis mediocre line up for me. I don't know quite where anyone has any complaints, there's good acting, interesting powers, an exciting over-arcing story which doesn't remove their ability to tell a stand alone story. It feels a lot like Buffy at it's best.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Wait, Eureka has been canceled?

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Zilla360 wrote:
    Wait, Eureka has been canceled?

    Yep, it hit the 5-season SyFy Limit.

    I've tried to like Alphas but something about the combination of "look at us doing Science! None of that pseudo-magical superhero nonsense here!" attitude and the uneven acting has turned me off of it entirely. I might be willing to suffer through another hour for Brent Spiner.

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    I like Alphas and make a point to watch it every week, but I'm really not that thrilled it at times.

    The biggest problem, as it's been mentioned here, is that many of the characters are painfully generic. Nina bores me - although her potential backstory may be slightly interesting. Hicks is nothing but amusing anti-hero exposition. (He has a bottle of whiskey! And he always talks about the offscreen troubles with the kid he loves so much! So dark.) Their romance is intensely predictable and boring, basically it felt like the writers decided that the two best looking people on the show were immediately and inevitably paired up - there's absolutely no chemistry to it. And good fucking God do I not give a shit about Rachel and her family problems. Who is she supposed to appeal to? Folks who have hellish personal problems on account of being spineless in dealing with relentlessly shitty and irredeemable family members?

    Bill, despite his similar generic outline, is kind of saved by the actor. There's at least a little bit of something to him, some neat little conflict between his original career-oriented motivations and his begrudging affinity for the team and the job. Dr. Rosen is kind of interesting and has more potential than most (especially if/when he questions the ethics of what he does, which they have actually approached). Gary is by far the best character though, and I would probably watch the hell out of the Bill & Gary's Excellent Adventure show if that's all it ever was.

    Show's got more potential than it's meeting though. Needs to get a little bolder than it is right now for me to consider it more than a slightly above-average weekly little romp.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I like Alphas and make a point to watch it every week, but I'm really not that thrilled it at times.

    The biggest problem, as it's been mentioned here, is that many of the characters are painfully generic. Nina bores me - although her potential backstory may be slightly interesting. Hicks is nothing but amusing anti-hero exposition. (He has a bottle of whiskey! And he always talks about the offscreen troubles with the kid he loves so much! So dark.) Their romance is intensely predictable and boring, basically it felt like the writers decided that the two best looking people on the show were immediately and inevitably paired up - there's absolutely no chemistry to it. And good fucking God do I not give a shit about Rachel and her family problems. Who is she supposed to appeal to? Folks who have hellish personal problems on account of being spineless in dealing with relentlessly shitty and irredeemable family members?

    Bill, despite his similar generic outline, is kind of saved by the actor. There's at least a little bit of something to him, some neat little conflict between his original career-oriented motivations and his begrudging affinity for the team and the job. Dr. Rosen is kind of interesting and has more potential than most (especially if/when he questions the ethics of what he does, which they have actually approached). Gary is by far the best character though, and I would probably watch the hell out of the Bill & Gary's Excellent Adventure show if that's all it ever was.

    Show's got more potential than it's meeting though. Needs to get a little bolder than it is right now for me to consider it more than a slightly above-average weekly little romp.

    I agree with all your positive points and disagree with all your negatives :) I guess they made the show exactly to my specifications ;) Personally I think Rachel and her family problems are an excellent story piece, and show the character being more than a human crime lab. Also, it shows character relationships outside the team and grounds them in the real world. Just like the scenes with Bills wife, or his old police friends.

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    I've been watching this show, and Gary kinds of grates on me sometimes, but he's supposed to so that's alright. He seems like a pretty genuine character, far from perfect but not terrible.

    Nina is the one that annoys me the most, because I despise the concept of mind control and I feel that is pretty much what her power is.

    Dr. Rosen seems to be willfully ignorant about what is going on behind the scenes, though that has been changing a bit.

    Bill I find to be an interesting character, with his imperfect family life that he is trying to fix. Also Bill dealing with Gary is pretty great.

    Rachel to me hasn't really even seemed like a character yet, but they could expand on her eventually so maybe she won't be awful in the future.

    Cameron I'm not really sure about, he's just not very memorable to me yet. Perhaps I should re-watch a couple of the earlier episodes and pay a little closer attention.

    Overall it's certainly a watchable show, and I think it has potential. Hopefully they are able to fix up the writing a bit (like others have noticed, the quality of the writing seems to vary significantly) and make it a show I go out of my way to watch.

    Also I think they already tied Alphas into the Eureka/Warehouse 13 universe at least once with some crossover character that I missed but a friend mentioned.

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  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
    I am pretty much of UnknownSaint's opinion regarding the characters in the show, there are a lot of negatives with the positive points of the show so far but it looks like it might improve.

    Regarding the latest episode:
    I was pleasantly surprised by the rather ugly death the preacher got. I was kinda expecting the cliche "bullet-to-the-heart-and-slo-mo" but instead we got a shot into the face (and an imperfect one at that, right through the cheek - or maybe that was part of some symbolism I missed, turn the other cheek etc).

  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    Alphas has been picked up for a second season. I'm happy.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Hmm, Proprioception, very interesting. Also what's-her-name from Lost. :)

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    I was looking for this thread!

    Is nobody going to comment on Brent Spiner being incredibly freaking awesome?

    Spiner vs Straitharn is a ridiculous level of badass for a SyFy original series.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote:
    I was looking for this thread!

    Is nobody going to comment on Brent Spiner being incredibly freaking awesome?

    Spiner vs Straitharn is a ridiculous level of badass for a SyFy original series.

    I was sad that
    they killed his character off

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  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    That was an amazing episode. I hope there's an honest-to-goodnees struggle between three forces in this show, not just two, as hinted in whoever hired Griffin/Gryphon/whatever. That could lead to some great plot lines next season.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Just saw the pilot on Hulu.

    First things, I like it.
    Second, why the hell do they only have episodes 1 and 7 on the service? That's almost worse than not having the show online at all.

  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    This week's was maybe the best episode so far, I quite liked it.

    Lot of small gripes that kind of arise through the show though...
    Why wouldn't Nina's power work on Brent Spiner? They said it was because he couldn't see her, but his echolocation looked pretty visually accurate when they showed what things look like to him. I don't buy that one, and I anticipate a lot of little things like that getting thrown out there so every episode won't be solved by Nina mind controlling the fuck out of everyone.

    Dr. Rosen being so pushy about forcing Bill's powers back to him (before the emergency situation) seemed remarkably out of character to me. It struck me as surprisingly insensitive.

    Is it just me, or did they kind of abandon the drawback to Rachel's powers? I'm referring to the fact that she drastically compromises all of her other senses when she's amplifying a particular one. I see her walking around and seeing just fine while sniffing around the office and it doesn't seem right to me. Also if she heard that they were on the elevator with the prisoner at the beginning of the episode, wouldn't she have been able to identify the bonus heartbeat from Griffin? That seems like something she regularly pays attention to, she really dropped the ball on that one.

    I know I'm just picking nits, but there's a ton of little questions like that that seem to arise out of every episode. Liked this one a lot nonetheless.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    This week's was maybe the best episode so far, I quite liked it.

    Lot of small gripes that kind of arise through the show though...
    Why wouldn't Nina's power work on Brent Spiner? They said it was because he couldn't see her, but his echolocation looked pretty visually accurate when they showed what things look like to him. I don't buy that one, and I anticipate a lot of little things like that getting thrown out there so every episode won't be solved by Nina mind controlling the fuck out of everyone.

    Dr. Rosen being so pushy about forcing Bill's powers back to him (before the emergency situation) seemed remarkably out of character to me. It struck me as surprisingly insensitive.

    Is it just me, or did they kind of abandon the drawback to Rachel's powers? I'm referring to the fact that she drastically compromises all of her other senses when she's amplifying a particular one. I see her walking around and seeing just fine while sniffing around the office and it doesn't seem right to me. Also if she heard that they were on the elevator with the prisoner at the beginning of the episode, wouldn't she have been able to identify the bonus heartbeat from Griffin? That seems like something she regularly pays attention to, she really dropped the ball on that one.

    I know I'm just picking nits, but there's a ton of little questions like that that seem to arise out of every episode. Liked this one a lot nonetheless.

    My understanding was that it's more of a sliding scale thing. Each of them is, normally, higher than a regular person, but she can enhance a given one at the expense of all of the others. So she catches a faint whiff of blood, then focuses on it so that she can pinpoint the location and the scent becomes overpowering.

  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
    The two baddies:
    A third force is a good idea, also looking forward to them getting more attention. I really loved the blindsight power, second best baddie (top spot goes to autist girl) so far. Was not at all a fan of the dude the moment his fucking sonic canon was revealed, that was a bit too much as the show has been trying to come up with somewhat realistic explanations for powers - I really don't want the show to be flooded with "epic" powers like Heroes. Should have left it at echolocation which was pretty awesome and great for this episode.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    re nina
    her forcing is meant to be a combination of normal social coercion + pheromones + some hypnosis type shit

    it doesn't seem unreasonable that without normal sight the visual element of her manipulation is differently processed or not effective

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  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
    re nina
    her forcing is meant to be a combination of normal social coercion + pheromones + some hypnosis type shit

    it doesn't seem unreasonable that without normal sight the visual element of her manipulation is differently processed or not effective
    That's the way I see it to, someone deaf might also be immune to her powers unless it is some sort of pupil dilation based hypnosis, in which case this echolocation dude probably wouldn't be able to see the eyes at a detailed enough level to be hypnotised.

  • ArkasArkas Registered User regular
    Shanadeus wrote:
    Was not at all a fan of the dude the moment his fucking sonic canon was revealed, that was a bit too much as the show has been trying to come up with somewhat realistic explanations for powers - I really don't want the show to be flooded with "epic" powers like Heroes. Should have left it at echolocation which was pretty awesome and great for this episode.
    I was okay with it. I mean for one, he's an old dude who's had his ability his whole life. Of course he's gonna have gotten really powerful with it. I feel like there's a world of difference between Heroes having completely overpowered idiots who have no idea what they're doing, and Alphas having a few really powerful veterans.

    Also he didn't just suddenly start wrecking shit, he spent hours building up to that. Plus, I don't know much about science, but it seemed plausible to me that locking a guy who does stuff with sound inside an airtight room that he can make echoes and reverberations in would amplify his powers.

    If anything I was a bit more confused about blind spot girl - every other show just goes with 'bending light,' but here they interrupt a tense situation to do an optic illusion demo... that just seemed weird.

    Anyway, they were both awesome characters and I'm bummed the doctor didn't get to stick around.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Well bending light requires a massive adjustment to human physiology. The ability to fuck with people's visual perception, while weird, is less weird.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    I've stuck with this. It trundles along quite nicely. It's never really bad and it's never really great. It's just good enough.

    I'm wondering if and when Alphas is going to comment on the whole "why are there suddenly superheroes?" thing. Given that they try to always slap a semi-reasonable explanation on powers, it seems that this question has never been asked.

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  • bobAkirafettbobAkirafett Registered User regular
    Gary is by far the best character though, and I would probably watch the hell out of the Bill & Gary's Excellent Adventure show if that's all it ever was.

    "We're partners now, we're equals so I get to drive." Gary is my favorite thing about this show. I'm finding him a little to relatable. He has a little bit different interaction with each of the characters that i find interesting.

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    So, IMHO, I think this latest episode foreshadows that Rosen is, in fact, an Alpha. Bill made a comment about how Rosen isn't an alpha either and then there was no rebuttal. To me, that is pretty clear literary foreshadowing that Rosen is an Alpha. Thoughts?

  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    So, IMHO, I think this latest episode foreshadows that Rosen is, in fact, an Alpha. Bill made a comment about how Rosen isn't an alpha either and then there was no rebuttal. To me, that is pretty clear literary foreshadowing that Rosen is an Alpha. Thoughts?

    It's come up a few times in past episodes too. I'd imagine that it's on its way.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a season finale twist.

    If it does happen, hopefully it's something that makes logical sense for him to have had for the entire series so far and not "Wait, if he's had that power all along, then why wouldn't he have used it in [past episode]?".

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  • FecklessRogueFecklessRogue Registered User regular
    So, IMHO, I think this latest episode foreshadows that Rosen is, in fact, an Alpha. Bill made a comment about how Rosen isn't an alpha either and then there was no rebuttal. To me, that is pretty clear literary foreshadowing that Rosen is an Alpha. Thoughts?

    For entirely silly reasons, I hope this doesn't happen.
    The thing I am most worried about for this show is power-creep. I'm nervous that everyone's powers are going to get "better". I'm worried they will have secondary mutations. I'm worried every new baddie will have to be more powerful than the one before. Most of all, I'm worried that either every character will either be a secret Alpha or get some "Alpha drug" that gives them powers.

    I'm probably just nervous because of Heroes, but if Rosen (arguably the only non-Powered main character) becomes/is an Alpha, it would strike me as a really bad sign for things to come.

  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    I think I would prefer it not to happen for the reasons that you brought up (not every main character needs to be an Alpha), but it's not necessarily a deal breaker if it's handled well.

    (Do we need to spoilerize this? It's all speculation.)

  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
    (Yeah, no more spoilerized talk)

    The thing is, they've already kinda introduced an "Alpha drug".
    Only it made, it has to be introduced at a fetal stage to produce mutations, but which might still not result in Alpha powers.

    It'd be very weird (and stupid) to suddenly have them produce a drug that transform adults into alphas when they've kinda played out the "drug-give-power"-trope with a twist.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Shanadeus wrote:
    (Yeah, no more spoilerized talk)

    The thing is, they've already kinda introduced an "Alpha drug".
    Only it made, it has to be introduced at a fetal stage to produce mutations, but which might still not result in Alpha powers.

    It'd be very weird (and stupid) to suddenly have them produce a drug that transform adults into alphas when they've kinda played out the "drug-give-power"-trope with a twist.

    I could see it working if it were sort of a "works for a very limited time" kind of thing. Then you get to play with things like the effects wearing off at the wrong time, or requiring more and more of the drug every time to get the same effect. If it were more like what they did in the second X-Men movie where they isolate the fluid from Mastermind's brain and less like the "permanently gives you a random power" potion from Heroes. Of course, Heroes made several MASSIVE missteps handling the powers that Alphas hasn't made yet. One of which was having two characters who were basically gods from the getgo and then making them progressively more powerful with no drawbacks to speak of. That could happen if they start with secondary mutations or something like that. What they really need to do is limit their powers even more, and force them to use them in increasingly creative ways.

    I do like that they haven't really duplicated powers yet. Sure a couple of them have been similar, but none of them have been identical and I like that.

  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    The sooner Hicks realises that he should be with Rachael the better. A) It's already being telegraphed too much B) It makes sense in that he's one of the few people in the world with sufficient motor control to touch Rachel without going too far.

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