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Valve (as in Tubes)

CrimsonKingCrimsonKing Registered User regular
edited February 2007 in Games and Technology
This is a thread regarding a question I have on my amplifier, but what can hopefully become a discussion on guitar tech. Since my guitar tech is out of town, and I am really curious, I'll bring this here.

My amplifier is a 100 watt Ampeg VL-1002, designed and built by Lee Jackson. I love it, volume goes to 12, preamp goes to 24, gain goes to 36. Two channels, distortion is unholy (in a good way) and clean is crystal clear. I regularly push it at six, which is half volume, sometimes more with the preamp at 12, about half, fixing it when I need to. I can give you more info if you want or need but the crux of my problem is this:

I bought this amp two years ago, for 900 dollars for the head and matching half-stack. A steal I think. Worth every damn penny. At that time my tech and the shop owner regularly used it and, since this was a old hippie's music store, kids and experienced players alike regularly messed with it. What I'm trying to say is that it has had alot of use before I bought it.

I went to my tech after I bought it and asked him when he last put new tubes. He told me to see what kind were in there. After unscrewing the back of the head unit I noticed that to actually see who made the tubes, I would have to take them out as the logo was facing the front of the head unit. I do have this piece of info however:

95-634-01
Made in E. Germany

I forgot the brand but I'll ask him when he gets back. He said that they were from the mid-to-late eighties at least. Well, after much debate and me learning a whole lot about tubes and tube sound, we decided that I'd get new tubes when these blew.

Every time I play my amp, at any volume, it sounds great. I love my tone, and it hasn't changed in two years unless I changed it. So no degradation. My question is pretty simple compared to my post,

How can vacuum tubes last so long?

This sig was too tall - Elki.
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  • Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    'Vacuum' tubes are common misnomer. They're more commonly filled with magic.

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  • CrimsonKingCrimsonKing Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    They sound like magic.

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    This sig was too tall - Elki.
  • wavy gravywavy gravy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Unplugged and acoustic for me.



    Mostly because I can't afford an amp right now. =(

    I just plug into my Klipsch speakers.

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  • GertBeefGertBeef Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Screw tubes.

    Transistors FTW!

    Edit:

    Found this on wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tubes.jpg

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  • Eggplant WizardEggplant Wizard Little Rock, ARRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My father has amps from the early 70s that still have original tubes that work. They're just awesome.

    The real reason that I maek post is because I used to own an Ampeg VL-1002, and it was incredible. The sheer number of tubes in that thing is insane. I think it has like 12, 4 power tubes and 8 preamp tubes. I once had a technical question about the amp for which I couldn't find the answer online, so I somehow got Lee Jackson's email address and sent it to him. He actually responded. I eventually sold it because the reverb was useless and I found it difficult to get a good lead tone, but damn ... the hellish sounds that thing could produce.

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  • SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I would enjoy a tube amp.


    But I lack the monies. And I am quite happy with my current amp for now.

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  • CrimsonKingCrimsonKing Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My father has amps from the early 70s that still have original tubes that work. They're just awesome.

    The real reason that I maek post is because I used to own an Ampeg VL-1002, and it was incredible. The sheer number of tubes in that thing is insane. I think it has like 12, 4 power tubes and 8 preamp tubes. I once had a technical question about the amp for which I couldn't find the answer online, so I somehow got Lee Jackson's email address and sent it to him. He actually responded. I eventually sold it because the reverb was useless and I found it difficult to get a good lead tone, but damn ... the hellish sounds that thing could produce.

    My favorite thing is the power attenuator myself. It really is a nice amp, I don't think I'll ever play another.

    But the fucking seventies? Goddamn man. I was under the impression that tubes usually died quickly. Just out of curiosity, what type of amp is it?


    As for transistors...I never liked the sound of solid-state. It always sounds cheap less rich to me but then again, its all a matter of opinion.

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    This sig was too tall - Elki.
  • Eggplant WizardEggplant Wizard Little Rock, ARRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My father has amps from the early 70s that still have original tubes that work. They're just awesome.

    The real reason that I maek post is because I used to own an Ampeg VL-1002, and it was incredible. The sheer number of tubes in that thing is insane. I think it has like 12, 4 power tubes and 8 preamp tubes. I once had a technical question about the amp for which I couldn't find the answer online, so I somehow got Lee Jackson's email address and sent it to him. He actually responded. I eventually sold it because the reverb was useless and I found it difficult to get a good lead tone, but damn ... the hellish sounds that thing could produce.

    My favorite thing is the power attenuator myself. It really is a nice amp, I don't think I'll ever play another.

    But the fucking seventies? Goddamn man. I was under the impression that tubes usually died quickly. Just out of curiosity, what type of amp is it?


    As for transistors...I never liked the sound of solid-state. It always sounds cheap less rich to me but then again, its all a matter of opinion.

    A Fender Bassman and a Fender Pro Reverb. The Pro Reverb was definitely still functioning on the original tubes as recently as the late 90s, but I swapped them out intentionally because I was using it at gigs and I was afraid they'd crap out due to their age. Granted, they've seen only light use over the years. I think that's a major factor. New old stock tubes that were manufactured decades ago are like treasure.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Tubes can die quickly if your amp gets moved around alot. Playing lots of shows will shorten your tube life by varying degrees depending on how closely you guard your gear like a man demon posessed. The only time I've ever changed tubes is if they get cracked. You can tell if this has happened if you get lots of nasty microphonic feedback. That really high pitched annoying stuff.

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  • The_Silent_NirvanaThe_Silent_Nirvana Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    This is a thread regarding a question I have on my amplifier, but what can hopefully become a discussion on guitar tech. Since my guitar tech is out of town, and I am really curious, I'll bring this here.

    My amplifier is a 100 watt Ampeg VL-1002, designed and built by Lee Jackson. I love it, volume goes to 12, preamp goes to 24, gain goes to 36. Two channels, distortion is unholy (in a good way) and clean is crystal clear. I regularly push it at six, which is half volume, sometimes more with the preamp at 12, about half, fixing it when I need to. I can give you more info if you want or need but the crux of my problem is this:

    I bought this amp two years ago, for 900 dollars for the head and matching half-stack. A steal I think. Worth every damn penny. At that time my tech and the shop owner regularly used it and, since this was a old hippie's music store, kids and experienced players alike regularly messed with it. What I'm trying to say is that it has had alot of use before I bought it.

    I went to my tech after I bought it and asked him when he last put new tubes. He told me to see what kind were in there. After unscrewing the back of the head unit I noticed that to actually see who made the tubes, I would have to take them out as the logo was facing the front of the head unit. I do have this piece of info however:

    95-634-01
    Made in E. Germany

    I forgot the brand but I'll ask him when he gets back. He said that they were from the mid-to-late eighties at least. Well, after much debate and me learning a whole lot about tubes and tube sound, we decided that I'd get new tubes when these blew.

    Every time I play my amp, at any volume, it sounds great. I love my tone, and it hasn't changed in two years unless I changed it. So no degradation. My question is pretty simple compared to my post,

    How can vacuum tubes last so long?

    I'm not so great at these guitar things, but it seems like you have a pretty nice amplifier. What make is it?

    (BTW, love the sig)

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I hate to go off topic like this, but this seemed the best place to ask. What is the name and/or website I could get one of those electric guitars with the usb connection and built-in headphone amp? I remember it being pretty cool, and people said it was pretty decent for a cheap guitar.

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  • The CheeseThe Cheese Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I bought an Ampeg bass amp a couple months ago. I can't remember what exactly it is, but it was made in the 80s. It sounds amazing, especially when played loud enough to make the glasses in the cupboard upstairs move.

    My dad has a Fender Twin Reverb Blackface from 1963 - almost as old as him and still in perfect condition, with all the original tubes and speakers.

    He also made a tube amp when he was about my age - 1977 or so. Six tubes, based on a smaller Ampeg design and the cab was custom made in some nice solid, attractive wood. Still works.

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