Johnny Depp, not satisfied with ruining my childhood, attacks the source

RubberAC

It is true that while Wilder's willy wonka was fantastic, it wasn't really true to the source material at all, Pip's got a good point.

I loved Willy Wonka. Both of them!

Sweeney Tom

Kusuguttai wrote:

wait why are you blaming johnny depp for any of those shit movies
blame tim burton

This is what I said earlier in the thread

I truthfully don't think Depp has ever made a bad film where he and his acting has been the problem

For example, Secret Window.

Antimatter

RubberAC wrote:

It is true that while Wilder's willy wonka was fantastic, it wasn't really true to the source material at all, Pip's got a good point.

I loved Willy Wonka. Both of them!

at the same time?

Kusuguttai

Zonugal wrote: »

Kusuguttai wrote:

wait why are you blaming johnny depp for any of those shit movies
blame tim burton

People didn't like Depp's performance?

but burton directed him into those performances

PiptheFair

don't get me wrong though, I friggin adore wilder

RubberAC

Antimatter wrote:

RubberAC wrote:

It is true that while Wilder's willy wonka was fantastic, it wasn't really true to the source material at all, Pip's got a good point.

I loved Willy Wonka. Both of them!

at the same time?

only in my wildest fantasies

Kusuguttai

like
he wouldnt have done those performances if tim burton didnt make those movies

Campion

Gene Wilder and Johnny Depp don't really deserve comparison given that they play two wildly different roles.

Zonugal

Kusuguttai wrote:

Zonugal wrote: »

Kusuguttai wrote:

wait why are you blaming johnny depp for any of those shit movies
blame tim burton

People didn't like Depp's performance?

but burton directed him into those performances

We can certainly place blame, a lot of it, towards the director but an actor can't use that completely as an excuse.

Even George Lucas got good performances out of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid.

I mean we have seen Depp perform well in other Burton films, so what happened? Did Burton's directing get significantly worse or did Depp get significantly lazier when working with a director who'd let me slack off?

Okami

I honestly also blame Tim Burton for the more awful installments of Depp's career, I've mostly liked what he's been in otherwise.

I stayed away from Alice In Wonderland for as long as I could until I watched it on netflix earlier this year and I just really didn't see the appeal in it at all. Everything about it was just off in the entirely wrong way and I think that's more Burton's fault that Depp's.

BlankZoe

Campion wrote:

Gene Wilder and Johnny Depp don't really deserve comparison given that they play two wildly different roles.

They played the same character though

so comparison is completely deserved

Zonugal

I just want you all to consider that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was next in line to potentially play Willy Wonka.

Just imagine.

Charles Kinbote

Antimatter wrote:

Charles Kinbote wrote:

Antimatter wrote:

this news made me irked
but later i smirked
for geek's post is great
this rhyme is a bit late

uh I think you mean that the news irked you

"irk" is a transitive verb

you diss my dog you fluff my hog

WHAT?! What did you just say to me?

RubberAC

Did nobody else find tweedle dee and tweedle dum in the new alice absolutely hilarious and adorable
because oh my gosh

Sweeney Tom

Zonugal wrote:

I just want you all to consider that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was next in line to potentially play Willy Wonka.

Just imagine.

See!

No matter how bad something appears, it can always, always be worse.

Antimatter

Zonugal wrote:

I just want you all to consider that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was next in line to potentially play Willy Wonka.

Just imagine.

i would have watched this

BlankZoe

Uh

The Rock is awesome

Hobnail

Sweeney Tom wrote:

Zonugal wrote:

I just want you all to consider that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was next in line to potentially play Willy Wonka.

Just imagine.

See!

No matter how bad something appears, it can always, always be worse.

Get the fuck outta here

You are a monster

Zonugal

Sweeney Tom wrote:

Zonugal wrote:

I just want you all to consider that Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson was next in line to potentially play Willy Wonka.

Just imagine.

See!

No matter how bad something appears, it can always, always be worse.

If by worse you mean better than yeah!

At least The Rock would have possibly gone another way as opposed to the stupid, pseudo-child rapist performance of Depp.

Sweeney Tom

I'm not saying I wouldn't have watched it.

I'm saying that at least then, you would have known it would have been terrible from the start, expected a B-movie of epic proportions, not been disappointed, and would have loved it, but known it shouldn't have been compared to the original in any way.

RubberAC

Man depp's wonka wasn't a child rapist he was a man-child
he is so far from raping children
hes basically asexual and socially broken because he was a crazy weirdo who lived in a chocolate factory by himself

BlankZoe

Sweeney that makes no sense at all

Hobnail

I think I'm starting to understand this Sweeny feller

Dr.Funkenstein

Aphostile wrote:

Can we all agree that the opinion would be higher of both Alice in Wonderland and Depp's Hatter if not for the dancing scene?

That was the best part of the entire movie

Sweeney Tom

Blankzilla wrote:

Sweeney that makes no sense at all

I'm saying that The Rock as Willy Wonka would automatically make Willy Wonka a B-movie which people would maybe love.

There's no way Rock could play Wonka and people would compare it to Wilder's Wonka.

RubberAC

If you went into Willy Wonka expecting it to be an amazing movie that blows Wilder out of the water and is considered A calibre then you probably went into it wrong

Now, if Dwayne Johnson had been there, ok, yeah, cinematic masterpiece. Alas...

Hobnail

You show me one single less than awesome The Rock performance and I will eat a hat

Sweeney Tom

RubberAC wrote:

If you went into Willy Wonka expecting it to be an amazing movie that blows Wilder out of the water and is considered A calibre then you probably went into it wrong

This is what I said about Depp

Of course Depp isn't better than Wilder. Of course the movie wasn't gonna be better than the original.

If you expected anything close to that, you were gonna be disappointed as hell.

I didn't, and I still found some good things out of the new one, critics be damned.

Sweeney Tom

Hobnail wrote:

You show me one single less than awesome The Rock performance and I will eat a hat

The Scorpion King sucked.

Other than that, I agree with you.

Depressperado

I thought it sucked too until I got drunk with a bunch of my friends and watched it.

RubberAC

Oh sweeney
how can you say something i agree with then be so horribly, horribly wrong immediately afterward

Sweeney Tom

I actually expected Scorpion King to be kinda good.

Then I was watching it in theaters opening weekend, and half an hour in had my face in my palm thinking to myself "Jesus Christ, why did I think this would be a good idea"

Lord Dave

RubberAC wrote:

Man depp's wonka wasn't a child rapist he was a man-child
he is so far from raping children
hes basically asexual and socially broken because he was a crazy weirdo who lived in a chocolate factory by himself

Burton's Charlie And The Chocolate Factory was actually a thinly-veiled speculative biography of Michael Jackson

Zonugal

Hobnail wrote:

You show me one single less than awesome The Rock performance and I will eat a hat

I absolutely love the Rock but he is not without his flaws.

Zonugal

Also, I loved the Scorpion King.

RubberAC

Flaws: Being too fantastic

Matev

The Scorpion King was good in a generic Conan-esque adventure way, but otherwise, twas eh. But yah, The Rock's got fucking stage presence.

Hobnail

Listen, he's been in some tremendous turds, and I've watched them

But he is always awesome. He is a glowing beacon of goodness no matter how deeply mired in poodoo

Edit: And the Scorpion King is intensely funny if you know that at the end of everything, the dude just ends up as a mindlessly evil CG scorptaur

Zonugal

RubberAC wrote:

Flaws: Being too fantastic

Damn right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwReSCGL3ss&feature=related

Antimatter

An-D wrote:

Just saw the Tooth Fairy...mostly as a joke, and it was awful and cheesy for a bit but went down a pretty dark path.

Like, the movie starts like in the trailers. He's an old bad-ass (but washed up) hockey player and he gets sent to fairy training school or whatever, but around midway through, it goes down a really dark alley.

He gets fairy-summoned from a big game to get a tooth from a little girl. He is fucking pissed (end of his career basically), and gets the tooth all annoyed and shit. Than he sees the little girl and this massive bruise on her face, and you get the idea that she had been hit. The girl wakes up, and is kind of startled but he hushes and asks what happened to her face (says that 'I'm the Tooth Fairy' line from the trailer). Then from downstairs (off-screen) you hear a man and a woman arguing really loudly and than you hear the man beating the shit out of her. The girl starts to quietly cry.

The Rock gets pissed and is about to go down to save the day, but he gets fairy-magic-summoned back to Fairyland and is pretty much told that he can't interfere in the lives of humans, or there would be consequences. He doesn't take that, and there is a pseudo fight/escape from fairyland and he gets back to Earth. He's kind of on the run now, and can't use his powers or they'll be able to find him.

He goes back to the little girl's house, and the dad (fucking big guy) is drunk and about to head up to the girl's room to do something (beat her?). Rock appears, and they fight. Its like something out of the Rundown....but with fairy powers. Shit is being broken, and the Rock is flying around dodging being. The bad dad pulls a gun, and shit kind of gets real. The Rock is able to use flying and a combination of fairy magic to deflect/dodge bullets.

Julie Andrews' character (like...queen of the tooth fairies?) gets a lock on the Rock's magic signal and pulls the plug on his magic.

The Rock drops to the ground, stands back up and is immediately shot. He goes down, doesn't get back up.

All the commotion and gunshots had gotten the police's attention and they storm the place and take down the bad dad. The mom is crying, and the daughter comes down and sees the dead Rock (who she knew was the Tooth Fairy) and just starts sobbing. Like...The Rock had made her believe in something amazing and magical when her life was nothing but shit and then (indirectly, I guess) gotten her horrible father taken out of the picture, so she could be happy. And as cliche and corny as it may sound, he also allowed her to be free to be a child and believe in fantasy even though her reality had been so bitter and awful.

It was insanely heartbreaking. I was crying. I did not expect the movie to turn down that path.

It ain't gonna win any awards, but its pretty intense.