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Electronic Document Management Questions

warder808warder808 Registered User regular
edited October 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Hi all.

Im going to start a new job. There will be lots of paper involved and it needs to be tracked and organized. I dont have much experience in this venue. Anyone want to share their processes in this area. I assume I can either get a scanner or use a big xerox machine and have it scan directly to a shared drive.

What are the best ways to organize this, what are the best ways to easily retrieve and share this information.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    digital document management is certainly the way to go, as everyone will be there eventually. There are some software programs out there that make it searchable which is nice, they aren't TOO expensive either. I'm currently trying to convince my office to go digital.

    Whatever the system, make sure you have a policy set out before you do it, and make sure it's followed. Otherwise you'll have files in folders all over the place and it will as bad or worse than paper.

    Do you have something like sharepoint? or any kind of system like that? that makes things a bit more accessible (don't have to map drives, etc) but it's essentially the same as a network drive unless you customize things.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    You're absolutely correct in that you can have a scanner go directly to a shared drive (I even used dropbox once). It's usually just a matter of pointing the scanner there.

    There are also systems out there you can purchase/subscribe. Encompass is the one that comes to mind.

    As long as your employer is cool with it, it makes things so much easier.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Yeah, this is a pretty broad question.

    I would start by asking, "What kinds of documents do we use, who uses them, and what are they doing with them?"

    Figure out what the business is doing with each document, and then craft the technology to match. A company that has, say, insurance claim forms that have a very linear process of going from one person to the next is going to work very differently from a company that is building up an internal searchable library of technical documentation.

    If you can make a flowchart of the lifespan of a document, that will help you get a vision for your technology.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    You can do pretty much anything you can imagine with a document, as long as you either have the money to pay for it, or the time to massage open-source products to do it.

    Scanning a file at a copier, having it OCRed and deposited into a shared folder? That's a no-brainer. Most current copiers will do that.

    Have it deposited into a different folder based on a drop-down menu the user selects on the copier? Also possible, but you want to talk to the copier manufacturer about it.

    You can have the text of the PDF summarized and inserted into a searchable SQL database. That's what software products like Xerox Docushare, EMC Documentum, or open-source alternatives like Alfresco do.

    You can have the server automatically email certain people when certain types of documents are stored to tell them "Hey, there's a new form up in Claim Forms. You need to look at it and approve it." Again, that's done by document management software like Docushare or Alfresco. Some of these programs will do that through a web interface, others through a software program that runs on Windows and shows you the documents in a Windows Explorer-type interface.

    It really depends on what you're doing, who is doing it, and what your budget is.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Hey this is what I do for a living.

    Basically what feral said.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    Feral has it.

    Also: I'm disappointed by the lack of flowcharts in this thread.

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  • warder808warder808 Registered User regular
    Hi again. Thanks for all the great feedback. I dont know all the answers to all the points Feral has made. Im at a large college and will be in an upper management office. I imagine much of the documents will be passed around to various people. I really like the idea of scanning stuff and having software notify people.

    I will post back when I hear more. My main fear is that some of the people may be really old school, and resistant to some of this.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    warder808 wrote:
    Hi again. Thanks for all the great feedback. I dont know all the answers to all the points Feral has made. Im at a large college and will be in an upper management office. I imagine much of the documents will be passed around to various people. I really like the idea of scanning stuff and having software notify people.

    I will post back when I hear more. My main fear is that some of the people may be really old school, and resistant to some of this.

    You need to check your institution's document policy first, and probably sit down with your dept. head to make sure this is all cool. I'd hate for you to waste your time if they're just going to give it a thumbs down. Educational institutions often have physical document policies which make electronic records a burden and unnecessary, in some cases, even when it's a clearly better choice.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    if they are old school at all, they will lynch you at first mention of changing their procedures at all, let alone this. More than likely your bosses will appreciate your forward thinking, and then promptly dump your proposal into a trashcan when they realize all the entrenched people will pitch a fit.

    Most of the software companies keep track of versioning, and are auditable so unless there needs to be notary stamps, original signatures, and stuff, there's really very little need for retention of the paper files themselves.

    Regardless of their willingness to adopt DM, i've found that if a form needs to cross a lot of desks, a workflow checklist is nice to make sure everyone's touched it that needs to. However, that wont help you track down a file if someone's broken the chain. It's a CYA move mostly. Being the file monkey sucks, but it usually is not difficult once you've gotten the flow down of your particular office. Good luck!!

  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    if they are old school at all, they will lynch you at first mention of changing their procedures at all, let alone this. More than likely your bosses will appreciate your forward thinking, and then promptly dump your proposal into a trashcan when they realize all the entrenched people will pitch a fit.

    A lot of it really may not even have to do with entrenched ideas, either. Unless things have changed since 2008ish, a lot of the issue is government and oversight requirements to work with a physical file.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Okay, so it sounds like you're not in IT.

    Usually, the chances of getting software or hardware purchased anew in this situation are exactly zero.

    No matter how eloquently you describe it, most management will just hear, "Wahhh! My job is too hard! Spend a bunch of money to make my job easier!" even if your suggestions are very good. After you've been working there six months or a year, the situation will be different, (hopefully) you will have built up some trust in the people you work with. But as a newbie entering a new job, you usually have to do things the way they want you to do them no matter how stupid and clunky it is.

    However, if they have existing resources in place, you may be able to utilize those to your advantage. For instance, maybe they already do have a copier that can easily scan a PDF to a shared drive. Maybe you can use it for that purpose. Maybe you can set up a logical subfolder hierarchy on an existing server.

    All I'm saying is: keep your eye out for ways you can make efficient use of resources that they already have... and keep your expectations low.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    I still haven't seen any flowcharts, *nudge* Feral *nudge*.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Hold on let me see what I've got here.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Here you go.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    Oh, I'm set. Thanks Feral!

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    if they are old school at all, they will lynch you at first mention of changing their procedures at all, let alone this. More than likely your bosses will appreciate your forward thinking, and then promptly dump your proposal into a trashcan when they realize all the entrenched people will pitch a fit.

    A lot of it really may not even have to do with entrenched ideas, either. Unless things have changed since 2008ish, a lot of the issue is government and oversight requirements to work with a physical file.

    Yeah, there will always need to be hard copies of some stuff. but at least in my environment (Accounting) people hang on to WAAAAY too much actual paper, when an image would be plenty sufficient.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Wow @Feral that is literally the most generalized flowchart about any web application I have seen.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    bowen wrote:
    Wow @Feral that is literally the most generalized flowchart about any web application I have seen.

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    can you feel the struggle within?
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