MSPA: my tenuous grasp on the mspa thread is nearing its end

Speed Racer

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Cilla Black wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

I'm really hoping the big climax has the kids/trolls overcoming the fatalism of paradox space and making a future for themselves by choice.

This would be a crappy story if it didn't

Well, it could also just have everything work out. The kids were always meant to 'win the game', because in a video game where you can just restart every time you lose, you'll eventually win.

Yeah that turned out great for the trolls' universe, didn't it?

Wait, no it didn't.

Well, it totally did. It was the kids session that fucked up.

No, everyone fucked it up.

Jade sent John the package.

Rose's shitty connection caused her to drop the car while the package was inside it, which led to the package going straight to Jack.

Vriska made sure that nothing would stop Jack from rising to power, and coming straight into their universe.

Karkat supposedly fucked up helping make the Genesis frog that became the kids' universe, which is apparently why it contained the tumor that

creates the green sun.

And Gamzee also had a hand in things, too, though I'm not entirely sure how he influenced all this.

And I'm sure there's plenty more that I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Gamzee created Li'l Cal which eventually becomes Doc Scratch

Ursca

Speed Racer wrote:

Ursca wrote:

This is the one I'm thinking of.
I don't think it gets picked up again later.

It's in Act 4.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003803

Ok, that makes sense.

The end of the conversation seems to imply he's about to launch into a tirade at John. It just seems weird that he'd stop and scroll back before continuing.
But that's definitely the Ultimate Riddle conversation.

Speed Racer

also while the tumor is probably a result of the frog's cancer, Karkat also describes it as a series of unfortunate events.

So everything everyone else does is indirectly his fault.

Lemony Snicket is also his fault.

Larlar

tynic wrote:

I watched the flash again. I like it more second time round! (and I liked it quite a lot the first time).

I agree with Larlar that

the tweening on jade's animation is pretty disconcerting. The complete rigidity of her torso heightens the mechanical look of her arms. Also, the first time I watched I just spent the whole time laughing cause of how anime lexx always draws the kids. Anyway. It's a minor point for me, and frankly I'm inclined to be pretty forgiving over animation shortcuts because it's such a tedious mindfuck and takes so long to do it properly

It's certainly a minor point. The EOA 5 is wonderful. Congratulations to all the lexxies involved.

Speed Racer

maybe it's because I don't really know anything about choir/music

but I think the a cappella I'm a Member of the Midnight Crew sounds fine


also

I can't stop laughing at the d8 night version of How Do I Live

ASimPerson

Speed Racer wrote:

Baidol wrote:

If we're going to be philosophical about this, two of the main themes for the story are the existence of free will and growing up. You could argue that being an adult means exercising your free will. The story may just come down to people like John, who throughout the entire story has done what other people told him to do, deciding to make a choice on his own.

Of note is the fact that one of the conscious choices John did make [asking Vriska to put him to sleep] was the one that led to him becoming God Tier.

Yeah, by the end of Act 5 the story ruthlessly dealt with many characters who were not able to make difficult choices. Equius, Tavros, Dave when he wanted to make god tier...

... the first time around.

Antimatter

saw vriska song on album

skipped it

Thetheroo

Taya wrote:

Ursca wrote:

Taya wrote:

Ursca wrote:

Karkat's conversation with John about The Ultimate Riddle still hasn't been shown.
He launches off into it and we immediately cut to something else.

I feel like the ultimate riddle was in the ectobiology conversation, but I'm not certain.

This is the one I'm thinking of.
I don't think it gets picked up again later.

Yeah it looks like there was more to the conversation that was cut off, but in their next conversation from Karkat's perspective he mentions the ultimate riddle again. I think it was in the ectobiology lab. I'm trying to find it now.

This was a quote from a previous OP, featuring Hussie and some other dude.


What's Homestuck about?

(Hussie) Futility brought on by their own mistakes.

-Are they mistake if they have no free will? If their mistakes are the reason they exist in the first place?

(Hussie)Whoops, there you go, asking the Ultimate Riddle.
Why you got to be asking all these Ultimate Riddles like that???

Antimatter

a capella midnight crew is great

ASimPerson

Antimatter wrote:

a capella midnight crew is great

I have a feeling this is going to be a thing where I am the only person who doesn't love :?

Goatmon

Speed Racer wrote:

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Cilla Black wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

I'm really hoping the big climax has the kids/trolls overcoming the fatalism of paradox space and making a future for themselves by choice.

This would be a crappy story if it didn't

Well, it could also just have everything work out. The kids were always meant to 'win the game', because in a video game where you can just restart every time you lose, you'll eventually win.

Yeah that turned out great for the trolls' universe, didn't it?

Wait, no it didn't.

Well, it totally did. It was the kids session that fucked up.

No, everyone fucked it up.

Jade sent John the package.

Rose's shitty connection caused her to drop the car while the package was inside it, which led to the package going straight to Jack.

Vriska made sure that nothing would stop Jack from rising to power, and coming straight into their universe.

Karkat supposedly fucked up helping make the Genesis frog that became the kids' universe, which is apparently why it contained the tumor that

creates the green sun.

And Gamzee also had a hand in things, too, though I'm not entirely sure how he influenced all this.

And I'm sure there's plenty more that I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Gamzee created Li'l Cal which eventually becomes Doc Scratch

Actually I think he's responsible for planting thoughts of the harlequin doll into John's mind, which led to him prototyping it.

And the resulting ridiculous outfit led to Jack rebelling.

Taya

I'm liking several of these songs.

I listened to the acapella Midnight Crew almost immediately and it doesn't really sound good imo. I can't put my finger on why. I don't know maybe there isn't enough harmony? I wish I could just listen to the original version.

alternatingAberration

Question: Where is the new, scratched session going to draw its players from if the universe it used to draw from no longer exists?

Nerdgasmic

maybe they (he?) just don't/doesn't have the virtuosity of Eddie Norton


I do like how it still has a classic sound

Speed Racer

Goatmon wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Goatmon wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

Cilla Black wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

I'm really hoping the big climax has the kids/trolls overcoming the fatalism of paradox space and making a future for themselves by choice.

This would be a crappy story if it didn't

Well, it could also just have everything work out. The kids were always meant to 'win the game', because in a video game where you can just restart every time you lose, you'll eventually win.

Yeah that turned out great for the trolls' universe, didn't it?

Wait, no it didn't.

Well, it totally did. It was the kids session that fucked up.

No, everyone fucked it up.

Jade sent John the package.

Rose's shitty connection caused her to drop the car while the package was inside it, which led to the package going straight to Jack.

Vriska made sure that nothing would stop Jack from rising to power, and coming straight into their universe.

Karkat supposedly fucked up helping make the Genesis frog that became the kids' universe, which is apparently why it contained the tumor that

creates the green sun.

And Gamzee also had a hand in things, too, though I'm not entirely sure how he influenced all this.

And I'm sure there's plenty more that I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Gamzee created Li'l Cal which eventually becomes Doc Scratch

Actually I think he's responsible for planting thoughts of the harlequin doll into John's mind, which led to him prototyping it.

And the resulting ridiculous outfit led to Jack rebelling.

he's responsible for both.





TC: HAHAHAHAHA, YOU DON'T MOTHER FUCKING BELIEVE.
TC: you need to get more spirituality into your superstition ghost.
TC: LIKE THE MOTHERFUCKING FAITHCHUMP THAT WHAT I WAS.
TC: as if i'd forget to do my chucklevoodoos to you too.
TC: TO FUCK UP YOUR DREAMS.
TC: make your worst fears come alive and get up on their haunts in your naphappy pan.
TG: what
TG: what fears
TC: YOU MOTHER FUCKING KNOW, BROTHER.
TC: its the fuckin puppet.
TC: THE ONE THAT'S ALL GOT TO BE MY BEST FUCKING FRIEND I GOT NOW.
TC: now that my other buddy managed to be having his head chopped off. :oC
TG: oh god
TG: did my bro put you up to this
TG: i should have guessed he might have a hand in some of these shitty trolling escapades
TC: YOUR BRO'S DEAD BRO.
TC: couldn't keep my new friend captive no more.
TC: RELEASED YOUR NIGHTMARES RIGHT INTO MY WARM FUCKING EMBRACE.
TC: and now i listen at what they whisper through my hear ducts.

Baidol

ASimPerson wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

Baidol wrote:

If we're going to be philosophical about this, two of the main themes for the story are the existence of free will and growing up. You could argue that being an adult means exercising your free will. The story may just come down to people like John, who throughout the entire story has done what other people told him to do, deciding to make a choice on his own.

Of note is the fact that one of the conscious choices John did make [asking Vriska to put him to sleep] was the one that led to him becoming God Tier.

Yeah, by the end of Act 5 the story ruthlessly dealt with many characters who were not able to make difficult choices. Equius, Tavros, Dave when he wanted to make god tier...

... the first time around.

Being a kid is hard, but being an adult is harder.

Taya

Oh man a version of Pyroculumus that doesn't make my ears bleed with telephone sounds? I like this sicknasty remix!

EidolonOrpheus

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

ASimPerson

Taya wrote:

I'm liking several of these songs.

I listened to the acapella Midnight Crew almost immediately and it doesn't really sound good imo. I can't put my finger on why. I don't know maybe there isn't enough harmony? I wish I could just listen to the original version.

Yeah, at first I thought I had accidentally opened the file twice.

Speed Racer

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

that doesn't seem to fit what we know now

I think the tumor was supposed to do exactly what it did and nothing else

alternatingAberration

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

Ah, doesn't even need a parent universe then? Or does it recreate the parent universe?

Else exiles would just get shot into oblivion.

Nerdgasmic

the original pyrocumulus rules, taya

Taya

Nerdgasmic wrote:

the original pyrocumulus rules, taya

It rules until it gets to that one part that I can't tolerate.

Speed Racer

alternatingAberration wrote:

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

Ah, doesn't even need a parent universe then? Or does it recreate the parent universe?

Else exiles would just get shot into oblivion.

presumably it doesn't need the parent universe

and yes it would seem that the exiles would have been obliterated

if all of them other than PM weren't already dead

Goatmon

Speed Racer wrote:

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

that doesn't seem to fit what we know now

I think the tumor was supposed to do exactly what it did and nothing else

Yeah I don't see how the tumor being a bomb that was gonna destroy the session was not just a blatant misunderstanding that Doc Scratch helped perpetuate (assuming he didn't plant the idea in Rose to begin with) in order to move his plan along.

BlueBlue

what did the kids even have to do with the tumor - couldn't it have just ticked down and exploded on its own

Speed Racer

BlueBlue wrote:

what did the kids even have to do with the tumor - couldn't it have just ticked down and exploded on its own

The scratch would have destroyed it

alternatively, something doc scratch said to rose hints that the meteors might have prematurely destroyed it.

Romanian My Escutcheon

Larlar wrote:

It's certainly a minor point. The EOA 5 is wonderful. Congratulations to all the lexxies involved.

All of which are cursed.

Speed Racer

dammit

I think I have ruined sburban jungle for myself

I made the opening to it my ringtone

so now everytime I hear it I jump to answer the phone

Duke 2.0

Holy damn this new Lotus song

Amazing

Winky

BlueBlue wrote:

what did the kids even have to do with the tumor - couldn't it have just ticked down and exploded on its own

Presumably it had to be in the Outer Rim so that it could reach all the different universes, perhaps?

alternatingAberration

Speed Racer wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

Ah, doesn't even need a parent universe then? Or does it recreate the parent universe?

Else exiles would just get shot into oblivion.

presumably it doesn't need the parent universe

and yes it would seem that the exiles would have been obliterated

if all of them other than PM weren't already dead

No, I mean exiles chosen in the new scratched session, without a parent universe to be exiled to, will just be sent through a portal to oblivion(?).

Mizuumi

Antimatter wrote:

saw vriska song on album

skipped it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bklFZsVeQ0s

OmnipotentBagel

ASimPerson wrote:

Taya wrote:

I'm liking several of these songs.

I listened to the acapella Midnight Crew almost immediately and it doesn't really sound good imo. I can't put my finger on why. I don't know maybe there isn't enough harmony? I wish I could just listen to the original version.

Yeah, at first I thought I had accidentally opened the file twice.

I mentioned this a while back in the borked thread, but I think it's something with the overdubbed tracks. The voices just don't blend. It's obviously four separate voices singing at the same time. It's a fairly minor thing, really, as the arrangement and even the singing itself is very good, but does give it that "off" feeling.

Duke 2.0

It's probably simpler than that

The outer shell of the Tumor won't crack open and arm the bomb until it leaves a universe because of how it was designed. It was made in a universe that had to be doomed in order to carry out it's final ectobiology, so it needed to scape before it could detonate. Otherwise it would be in a dying universe.

Mizuumi

Nerdgasmic wrote: »

the original pyrocumulus rules, taya

oh my goodness nerdgasmic and i are sharing an opinion

what a not really that unusual occurrence considering metagross, grovyle, etc.

Winky

alternatingAberration wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

Ah, doesn't even need a parent universe then? Or does it recreate the parent universe?

Else exiles would just get shot into oblivion.

presumably it doesn't need the parent universe

and yes it would seem that the exiles would have been obliterated

if all of them other than PM weren't already dead

No, I mean exiles chosen in the new scratched session, without a parent universe to be exiled to, will just be sent through a portal to oblivion(?).

I'm assuming it goes back to a point in time before the kids arrived and just sort of shoots off an alternative timeline where different kids land.

Speed Racer

alternatingAberration wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

alternatingAberration wrote:

EidolonOrpheus wrote:

The scratched session creates a duplicate of the original, while the tumor was supposed to get rid of the faulty session.

Ah, doesn't even need a parent universe then? Or does it recreate the parent universe?

Else exiles would just get shot into oblivion.

presumably it doesn't need the parent universe

and yes it would seem that the exiles would have been obliterated

if all of them other than PM weren't already dead

No, I mean exiles chosen in the new scratched session, without a parent universe to be exiled to, will just be sent through a portal to oblivion(?).

oh oh oh I misunderstood what you meant by parent universe

it will create a brand new universe and a brand new earth. Assuming that the conditions of the troll scratch were universal, it will flip the kids and the guardians, so that the kids will become the parental figures of the guardians, and the guardians will be the ones to play the game. Most people are assuming that Jade's grandson penpal is in fact a young version of Grandpa Harley from the new universe.

the exiles from the scratch game will be sent to the scratch universe.

Again, assuming that the conditions of the troll scratch are universal, it will also mean that Doc Scratch will become their new First Guardian, and subtly guide events to lead to the summoning of Lord English.

Skull Man

so is "the lost child" from the album the handmaiden or the troll-that-never-was

I'm hoping handmaiden because otherwise jesus chrsit

Nerdgasmic

I wonder if the new doc scratch will look or sound any different