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Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Games and Technology
Finally, someone's done it. A real 3d engine inside of flash, with textures, animation, bump-mapping, interactivity, inverse-kinematics...

And all the while, staying at a very respectable frame rate level. colour me impressed.

Unreleased, as of yet, it's still in alpha, but check it out:

http://blog.papervision3d.org/


Notable demos:

real-time music visualization: http://mrdoob.com/lab/PV3D/vis/effect01/

streaming video as a texture -- simply awesome: http://www.blog.lessrain.com/wp-content/testarea/papervision/papervision_video.html

panorama: http://www.papervision3d.org/demos/panorama

aforementioned bump-mapping demonstration: http://www.unitzeroone.com/papervision/paperPlanet/Main.html

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Some of those I can't get to work. But the streaming video as a texture, and the panorama are quite impressive.

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  • Duchess ProzacDuchess Prozac Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wow, colour me very impressed. I can't wait to see what peple do with this.

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    color me impressed, or something

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wow. This is really impressive.

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2007
    They've gone done what now? Oh my!

    This is great.

    Now someone port the EVE client and we're done.

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  • NastymanNastyman Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    this is amazing...

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  • EtericEteric Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wonder what this will mean for Wii flash games?...

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Whoa! This is awesome. Flash DooM anyone?

    I like that their bump-map test sphere is a Globe too...

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  • NastymanNastyman Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    so what's the difference between this and something like what's going on in this flash based FPS? http://www1.rasterwerks.com/game/phosphor/beta1.asp

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  • Duchess ProzacDuchess Prozac Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Nastyman wrote: »
    so what's the difference between this and something like what's going on in this flash based FPS? http://www1.rasterwerks.com/game/phosphor/beta1.asp

    I would say the difference is that that game is done using Shockwave and not flash

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  • cherv1cherv1 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    If shockwave can already do 3d, what is the point of getting flash to do 3d as well?

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    cherv1 wrote: »
    If shockwave can already do 3d, what is the point of getting flash to do 3d as well?

    one more step towards the grand unification of Flash and Shockwave?

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Reminds me of 3D java aps.

    I didn't realize shockwave and flash were different things.

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    God I can't wait till Gears of War is playable on newgrounds :D

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  • JerikTelorianJerikTelorian Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    That is pretty cool. I'm damn impressed.

    Nobody who has internet access at work is going to get anything done, once people start making games with this. Nobody.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

    i'd say my system's hardly great, and it ran just fine for me.

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  • Duchess ProzacDuchess Prozac Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    darleysam wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

    i'd say my system's hardly great, and it ran just fine for me.

    Same here. I'm running on a 4 year old machine and it's all smooth an silky for me.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I did notice that music visualisation thingy struggling when it had more than about 300 triangles moving simultaneously... That might be due to the partial transparency effect and the extreme age of my system though.
    Everything else was fine though.

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  • AtheraalAtheraal Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Duchess Prozac wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

    i'd say my system's hardly great, and it ran just fine for me.

    Same here. I'm running on a 4 year old machine and it's all smooth an silky for me.

    Same. This is just another reason for me to get off my lazy ass and actually learn actionscript, so I can start prototyping my game ideas.

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  • HAKdragonHAKdragon Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Eteric wrote: »
    Wonder what this will mean for Wii flash games?...

    Probably nothing as it doesn't seem to work with the Wii (yet, anyway).

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    cherv1 wrote: »
    If shockwave can already do 3d, what is the point of getting flash to do 3d as well?

    Flash is the most widely used plugin in the world, and not only available preinstalled on most computers now, but on cellphones, and other mobile devices, like the PSP.

    Shockwave is not.

    Take that into account, the mere fact that this can be run on a PSP (or will be able to soon, once they upgrade the version of flash in the firmware) and you see why this becomes important.


    Also, don't forget the corresponding massive developer base for flash, whereas there is practically none for Shockwave. EVERYONE knows flash. It's taught in highschools now. Not so much for Shockwave.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    My god, Futurama Style internet is only a few steps away.

    This is pretty neato stuff, thumbs up!

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Atheraal wrote: »
    Duchess Prozac wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

    i'd say my system's hardly great, and it ran just fine for me.

    Same here. I'm running on a 4 year old machine and it's all smooth an silky for me.

    Same. This is just another reason for me to get off my lazy ass and actually learn actionscript, so I can start prototyping my game ideas.
    So you don't get terrible slowdown on the music visualization at every loud noise?

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  • DekuStickDekuStick Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The globe was really cool.

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  • SUPERSUGASUPERSUGA Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The visualiser is pretty choppy for me too, and this PC is about 2 or 3 years old. Looks pretty interesting but it's nothing that's wowing me at the moment.

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  • AiranAiran Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Oh shit, I thought the demos were all just stills until I realised you could move them :lol:

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Recoil42 wrote: »
    cherv1 wrote: »
    If shockwave can already do 3d, what is the point of getting flash to do 3d as well?

    Flash is the most widely used plugin in the world, and not only available preinstalled on most computers now, but on cellphones, and other mobile devices, like the PSP.

    Shockwave is not.

    Take that into account, the mere fact that this can be run on a PSP (or will be able to soon, once they upgrade the version of flash in the firmware) and you see why this becomes important.


    Also, don't forget the corresponding massive developer base for flash, whereas there is practically none for Shockwave. EVERYONE knows flash. It's taught in highschools now. Not so much for Shockwave.

    I learned Director first at Uni, and it's where i feel so much more comfortable. From then, i just couldn't get my head properly around ActionScript. But yeah, Flash is basically what everyone's interested in, anyway.

    edit: i didn't try the music visualization last night, just did now, and it was mostly fine but did chug a little (like, minor framerate drops, nothing more) when it got a bit busy. But everything else was smooth.

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Airan wrote: »
    Oh shit, I thought the demos were all just stills until I realised you could move them :lol:

    Some of them even have a full screen mode, too. Click the little rectangle-within-a-rectangle icon on the bottom right. It's pretty mindblowing on the panorama one.

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  • JensenJensen Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wow, that is outstanding! I loved the panorama.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    Atheraal wrote: »
    Duchess Prozac wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    My system is no slouch, but this really plays like crap. They've got a ways to go, if it's really even possible to make 3D work efficiently on Flash.

    i'd say my system's hardly great, and it ran just fine for me.

    Same here. I'm running on a 4 year old machine and it's all smooth an silky for me.

    Same. This is just another reason for me to get off my lazy ass and actually learn actionscript, so I can start prototyping my game ideas.
    So you don't get terrible slowdown on the music visualization at every loud noise?

    Running it in a browser window maxed at 1920 does, but running it in a smaller window and the performance shoots up

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wow, this is really cool. I can see some real potential here.

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  • skaceskace Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Fuck the visualization, that music was hot.

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  • TalonrazorTalonrazor Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Wasn't impressed until I realized you could move stuff around.

    Man.

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    fast phong shading:

    http://blog.papervision3d.org/2007/02/22/another-new-material-demo/

    http://www.unitzeroone.com/papervision/paperPhong/Main.html


    (notice the lighting as you rotate the rhino model)

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