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Behring Breivik declared a paranoid schizophrenic.
Peter Ebel
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The report on his mental health was delivered to the courts today. It's based on 35 hours of interviews with Behring Breivik and concludes that he over a period of several years developed paranoid schizophrenia and that he was in a state of psychosis during the massacre.
This will have an impact on how he will serve out his punishment. It's very likely he will be forced into a closed psychiatric ward instead of a normal prison. Doctors and other medical personnel will decide security. It's possible he will locked up for life if it's decided he's not safe for release.
Just wanted to update you folks on the matter.
Edit: Though the report has been written by experts, it's now up to the psychiatric specialists of the court to determine the validity of this report. Regardless of the outcome, there's still going to a massive trial against him. If the court psychiatrists agree with the report, I don't know whether or not he will still be held responsible for the monetary damage he did to the city of Oslo.
The report on his mental health was delivered to the courts today. It's based on 35 hours of interviews with Behring Breivik and concludes that he over a period of several years developed paranoid schizophrenia and that he was in a state of psychosis during the massacre.
This will have an impact on how he will serve out his punishment. It's very likely he will be forced into a closed psychiatric ward instead of a normal prison. Doctors and other medical personnel will decide security. It's possible he will locked up for life if it's decided he's not safe for release.
Just wanted to update you folks on the matter.
Edit: Though the report has been written by experts, it's now up to the psychiatric specialists of the court to determine the validity of this report. Regardless of the outcome, there's still going to a massive trial against him. If the court psychiatrists agree with the report, I don't know whether or not he will still be held responsible for the monetary damage he did to the city of Oslo.
Fuck off and die.
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- police should found three non-government organizations: the first to protect the interests of native Norwegians, the second to stop Islamization of Europe, and the third to facilitate "procreation"--Behring Breivik said he did not know exactly what that would entail. The NGOs should receive 30 million Norwegian kroner (roughly $5 million) each
- a new daily newspaper (presumably right-leaning) should be established with an initial investment of 20 million kroner (about $3.5 million)
- a right-wing version of the "Blitz house" (a historical hangout for anarchists, socialists and communists in Oslo) should be created
"If all of the demands are met, then we will abstain from using chemical, biological or incendiary weapons. We will abstain from the decapitation and extermination of families," Behring Breivik said. "I want you to know one thing: we are willing to use every illegal strategy."
The psychiatrists noted that Behring Breivik kept referring to multiple Knights Templar cells during their talks.
If his diagnosis in any way lowers the sentence he gets, there is no justice in this world.
that's about right
The success of the Kardashian brood is proof enough that there is no justice in the world.
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Dipped in lava would an alternative. Just saying.
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We don't quite have that technology, but I'd substitute throwing him in a pool of liquid nitrogen.
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I don't remember all of the details, but it would seem to do the opposite in this case.
If the insanity ruling remains standing, Behring Breivik's mental condition will be reevaluated every three years. To be fair, there is not a chance in hell that Behring Breivik will ever be released. Still, survivors and the victims' families are saying that they don't want the case thrust into the national spotlight every three years until Behring Breivik dies.
EDIT: Also, Behring Breivik was highly offended by the insanity ruling.
Yeah, guys like this love attention. Best way to make him suffer is put him in prison and make him very aware that no one knows or cares about him.
good. they should drive that in
Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.
E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.
yes thank you
Fuck you I wanted to say this first.
Also the families aren't thinking about him getting attention every three years: They're thinking about themselves. They don't want to go through everyone talking about it all over again every three years until Breivik dies.
I like you super-lots.
You really think that three years from now (assuming he gets sentenced this year as a crazy person), there would again be a media circus surrounding him?
At the very least, I don't think the families of the victims or the survivors will need to testify all over again. It'll just be a bunch of psychiatrists proving to the court that, yep, he's still insane.
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The thing is, they were more or less obligated to claim he's insane.
Even though he probably isn't. Well not more than any jihadist that is.
They won't have to testify but if you don't think MASS MURDERER UP FOR PAROLE won't be a big headline then I don't know what to say
I mean, technically, I guess, yeah.
But to me, insane is a dude who thinks the colour purple is out to get him.
There's gotta be a spectrum to this stuff.
Well, there is a spectrum. That's been worked on by a lot of people over a long period of time. Sociopathy is a complex subject with a lot of research being done. "dude who thinks the color purple is out to get him" isn't even close to a casual understanding of paranoid schizophrenia.
There are certainly concerns about determining culpability and normalcy vis-a-vis mental health in society, but I'm not sure your gut feeling or whatever on who's crazy is a substantive replacement for existing standards.
What about dudes who think they have access to nuclear and biological weapons through non existent organizations based on video games? This particular diagnosis deals with actual delusions, not the anti social aspects of his personality, though he clearly has those as well.
It will mess you up, quite a bit.
like, punishment shouldn't factor in at all or punishment shouldn't be the main/only focus?
Sending a criminal to a rehabilitation center where he gets to learn how to be a productive citizen is a lot more productive than throwing them in a prison cell.
What if he is incapable or unwilling to be rehabilitated?
so like, a murderer spends time in the center until he's rehabilitated or he serves his 30 year sentence but is rehabilitated as part of that instead of wasting that time?
yeah, it's pretty intense stuff
if he really does have paranoid schizophrenia but the courts don't agree and he gets locked up without mental health professionals working with him, he'd probably end up being a massive danger to other inmates as well as himself
and you're right... the attempt should be made for rehabilitation, even if it will probably amount to a token effort purely because he sounds like he's really, really far gone
and that attempt should be made because it highlights the difference between locking someone up to punish them and locking someone up to keep themselves and others safe
and in the meantime, you know, try to work with him, even if all you get out of it is a lot of insight into how someone thinks what they think or believes what they believe, it's still better than locking him up and throwing away the key because at the end of the day you are able to acknowledge that there is a REASON he is the way he is, and that the reason is likely extremely complex and utterly human
yes, 100% this
outrage at a heinous act is understandable, but once the emotion passes it's time for rational thought to come into it
criminal justice and corrective services systems all over the world are STILL struggling to get this right and it's not the people working IN the system that are struggling, it's that they find themselves severely limited by public opinion, which sways political decisions, which then serves to dictate how corrective services "should" do their jobs
ultimately it does encourage a societal view that you should lock them up and throw away the key and forget about them and if they didn't want to end up in prison maybe they shouldn't have done X or Y
but like I say, there's usually a very human reason for why they did X or Y, whether it's biological, psychological, or social
no, a proper criminal justice system must balance the interests of punishment, rehabilitation, and deterrence
skewing it too much towards any one, including rehabilitation, won't work