I turned away just as Holmes shone the black light onto the recovered note and couldn't see it properly. Did it say "Miss me"? So the long lost sister is in league with Moriarty?
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I turned away just as Holmes shone the black light onto the recovered note and couldn't see it properly. Did it say "Miss me"? So the long lost sister is in league with Moriarty?
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Moriarty did in fact die, but his death was used by Sherringon to fuck with Mycroft and/or Sherlock as a form of revenge. Or at least, that's my going hypothesis.
So i'm watching the new episodes and thinking to my self "Boy, Sherlock is really starting to resemble Dylan Moran", and naturally I popped in my Black Books DVD when the episode was done and wouldn't you know it:
I'm guessing they had this great idea for episode 2/3 and then had to go back and write an episode 1 constrained by the need to make sure it fed them into the situation they needed.
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Definitely loads better in every way. Great ending too
Didn't see the twist coming but it made no sense.
The entire plan depended on Sherlock making just the right number of deductions to join the dots but fail to see the ones which would have given the game away. Not to mention being so drugged up he would fail to spot the obvious (that the sister didn't look like the villain's daughter).
The fact that Sherlock's friend looked into Sherlock's front room and failed to notice a woman in a bright red dress also beggars belief, as does the woman avoiding the many cameras that were pointing at them during their walk (Sherlock choose the route and definitely would have noticed her walking strangely to avoid the cameras.)
Watson, who has been deducing almost as well as Sherlock all episode also has a convenient blind spot. It would have been a lot better if it was him who figured it out rather that the sister making an possibly intentional slip up
Didn't see the twist coming but it made no sense.
The entire plan depended on Sherlock making just the right number of deductions to join the dots but fail to see the ones which would have given the game away. Not to mention being so drugged up he would fail to spot the obvious (that the sister didn't look like the villain's daughter).
The fact that Sherlock's friend looked into Sherlock's front room and failed to notice a woman in a bright red dress also beggars belief, as does the woman avoiding the many cameras that were pointing at them during their walk (Sherlock choose the route and definitely would have noticed her walking strangely to avoid the cameras.)
Watson, who has been deducing almost as well as Sherlock all episode also has a convenient blind spot. It would have been a lot better if it was him who figured it out rather that the sister making an possibly intentional slip up
One thing about Sherlock not noticing.
I don't think Sherlock notices what people look like, he goes right for the clues or mannerisms. He only sees things about people's appearance when it can tell him something about them. When he saw the actual daughter and said she looked nothing like that woman in his home, I believe he was looking at everything about her and how she carried herself and not her actual face.
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Also it was directly shown that he was having trouble keeping up with his normal noticing patterns when he met Sherrington in disguise the first time.
You can attribute this to the drugs, or to Sherrington's skill (since we're assuming equal or greater calibre of polymath genius here)*, but I think it's reasonable to say that Sherlock was not dealing with the average person, and she - being his sister, and presumably capable of many of the same feats he is - could play with things that she knew would attract his attention. I'm fine with her avoiding surveillance (she stayed under the bus shelter, for example, while Sherlock was in the middle of the road), but the scene where the Aaron Paul stand-in didn't spot her is naughty editing.
*and indeed I assume Sherrington only made this gambit because she knew Sherlock was on a bender and she could take advantage.
Also it was directly shown that he was having trouble keeping up with his normal noticing patterns when he met Sherrington in disguise the first time.
You can attribute this to the drugs, or to Sherrington's skill (since we're assuming equal or greater calibre of polymath genius here)*, but I think it's reasonable to say that Sherlock was not dealing with the average person, and she - being his sister, and presumably capable of many of the same feats he is - could play with things that she knew would attract his attention. I'm fine with her avoiding surveillance (she stayed under the bus shelter, for example, while Sherlock was in the middle of the road), but the scene where the Aaron Paul stand-in didn't spot her is naughty editing.
*and indeed I assume Sherrington only made this gambit because she knew Sherlock was on a bender and she could take advantage.
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She probably also induced the bender by dangling Moriarty out there and knew it was a matter of time before his need to solve it and no thread to chase would send him on one.
To her credit, she did save him from facing the music on Magnussen.
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YO, they borrowed the Moriarty twist from Elementary! :O
did naht see that coming. They might have cheated a little with relaying "the other one" as the other brother rather than sibling, but still.
Also this episode was excellent, Toby Jones sure can slimeball.
YO, they borrowed the Moriarty twist from Elementary! :O
did naht see that coming. They might have cheated a little with relaying "the other one" as the other brother rather than sibling, but still.
Also this episode was excellent, Toby Jones sure can slimeball.
The only person who ever said "brother" was Watson, I think? But yes, it's still a bit of a cheat.
Also, I'm starting to think that "Sherrinford" itself is a bit of a red herring. Apparently it's a popular name in fan circles for the third brother, so by using it Moffat is teasing those fans who are aware of the concept - but it's only ever used in oblique references ("Are you still in contact with Sherrinford?" "Sherrinford is secure." "Sherrinford - 2pm" in a diary, etc). My theory is that Sherrinford is a prison/institution/home of some kind where Mycroft has been keeping Euros. But, as ever, I'm likely to be proved wrong on Sunday.
I watched episode two then I just started episode one and
When they're taking about John looking after a baby they mention the similarities between the baby and Sherlock, they say "can't even tell people's faces apart"
What are the odds that they'll make this the last one ever? I know they confirmed that they had two more series planned right after series 2, and this wouldn't be the worst place to leave it.
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That was pretty good!
the ending felt very rushed if that was indeed the final ever episode, I didn't get much closure from it.
Moriarty's posthumous game was pretty much perfect though, and Eurus was delightfully creepy. They essentially had Sherlock starring in a Saw movie. Good stuff.
Loved the fakeout with Moriarty being alive for a moment. Also Mycroft's transparent attempt to get Sherlock to shoot him.
The beginning was great but once the crew got to the island it all got a bit silly. They spent too much time in the challenge rooms and it broke credibility that Euros was practically god like at times. Loved the scene with Molly though. The ending was too rushed and it should have been longer.
The performances were great though and I really hope their is another series.
The beginning was great but once the crew got to the island it all got a bit silly. They spent too much time in the challenge rooms and it broke credibility that Euros was practically god like at times. Loved the scene with Molly though. The ending was too rushed and it should have been longer.
The performances were great though and I really hope their is another series.
Although it was all pretty far-fetched the bit that to me was the most ridiculous was
There is absolutely no way Euros would be able to imitate a 'normal' person, yet she was able to "be" both the therapist and the daughter of the villain in the last episode. 1) She's too batshit crazy and 2) She's never actually witnessed one.
Also I'd have liked to have seen some kind of demonstration of her vast intellect. She didn't actually outwit Sherlock at any point, she was more like a super villain who could control people.
Also, was the idea that in the 5 minutes she programmed Moriarty to do everything he ever did to Sherlock, or just to make those recordings? Or did he do them willingly? I noticed her mind control didn't work on Mycroft because he's so smart, so is it the same with Moriarty?
The beginning was great but once the crew got to the island it all got a bit silly. They spent too much time in the challenge rooms and it broke credibility that Euros was practically god like at times. Loved the scene with Molly though. The ending was too rushed and it should have been longer.
The performances were great though and I really hope their is another series.
Although it was all pretty far-fetched the bit that to me was the most ridiculous was
There is absolutely no way Euros would be able to imitate a 'normal' person, yet she was able to "be" both the therapist and the daughter of the villain in the last episode. 1) She's too batshit crazy and 2) She's never actually witnessed one.
Also I'd have liked to have seen some kind of demonstration of her vast intellect. She didn't actually outwit Sherlock at any point, she was more like a super villain who could control people.
Also, was the idea that in the 5 minutes she programmed Moriarty to do everything he ever did to Sherlock, or just to make those recordings? Or did he do them willingly? I noticed her mind control didn't work on Mycroft because he's so smart, so is it the same with Moriarty?
Agreed, I think they dropped the ball with Euros. They made her too crazy and too insane for a story like this too work. It needed her to be more sympathetic so Sherlock could talk her down to the point where she loses it and takes them to the old house.
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I felt the scene with Molly and Sherlock was probably the high point. Although I guess that's because as a viewer I quite like Molly, whereas I don't really really care much about Governor Whatever and Tom, Dick and Harry.
All in all, the second episode was probably my favourite for this season.
I liked the nod to Basil Rathbone with the name of the house
Regarding the Episode 2 reveal:
Spaffy's point about Euros never having seen a normal person explains the German accent of her therapist - she's going off the caricature of the "Und how doss zat mek you pfeeel" cartoon psychiatrist.
Also I imagine she saw a fair few shrinks before the second fire.
Thinking about it now it's the morning after and nope, I don't think that was very good at all.
Maybe the low point was the three guys hanging outside the window. That felt like something the Joker would do in a comic. She can 'reprogram' people to the extent of making them her slaves as though she's the Purple Man or something. Essentially she had superpowers and it was very, very silly.
Also I kept wondering what the point of it all was. What are we supposed to think Euros actually wants for 95% of the show until we get to the truth? She's torturing/experimenting on her brothers and has brought them to her via an incredibly complicated series of lures and plots, but why? It's all motiveless until we find out boo hoo she's frightened, so it feels like an episode of the Crystal Maze but with no chance to win a Centre Parcs holiday at the end.
I think, looking at the whole run, maybe half the episodes are any good (and sometimes they were very good indeed), but most of those were in the first two seasons.
Thinking about it now it's the morning after and nope, I don't think that was very good at all.
Maybe the low point was the three guys hanging outside the window. That felt like something the Joker would do in a comic. She can 'reprogram' people to the extent of making them her slaves as though she's the Purple Man or something. Essentially she had superpowers and it was very, very silly.
Also I kept wondering what the point of it all was. What are we supposed to think Euros actually wants for 95% of the show until we get to the truth? She's torturing/experimenting on her brothers and has brought them to her via an incredibly complicated series of lures and plots, but why? It's all motiveless until we find out boo hoo she's frightened, so it feels like an episode of the Crystal Maze but with no chance to win a Centre Parcs holiday at the end.
I think, looking at the whole run, maybe half the episodes are any good (and sometimes they were very good indeed), but most of those were in the first two seasons.
There's a lot that doesn't make sense looking back on it. I really don't understand what happened at the end. Was she truly so damaged that she needed someone to bring her back to reality? In which case she had an extremely well-developed alternate personality that was capable of taking over an entire prison and setting up elaborate practical jokes.
And I must have missed something about the riddle that Sherlock solved using the gravestones - he worked out that it meant she was in her old room, but how did that help him save John? She immediately went catatonic, so do we assume she also told them where the well was? Why had no-one looked in the well when the kid went missing originally?
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He's got some decent excuses in both situations.
he was high and in a death spiral in episode 2, and he had no good reason to recognise Eurus as Faith. Episode 3 was a big ol' revelatory meeting for him, and he was trying to pick apart her riddle about the violin. The glass was an irrelevant detail, so it's fair not to notice.
And did any viewers notice before him? I sure didn't!
I assumed it was the case after a bit of tension but I also wasn't reliving a childhood trauma so yeah i'd give some slack on that lack of observation.
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Given how much she appeared in this episode as well, this doesn't seem to be the case.
They only announced that well after filming was completed. I don't know when it actually happened, though.
I'm guessing they had this great idea for episode 2/3 and then had to go back and write an episode 1 constrained by the need to make sure it fed them into the situation they needed.
The entire plan depended on Sherlock making just the right number of deductions to join the dots but fail to see the ones which would have given the game away. Not to mention being so drugged up he would fail to spot the obvious (that the sister didn't look like the villain's daughter).
The fact that Sherlock's friend looked into Sherlock's front room and failed to notice a woman in a bright red dress also beggars belief, as does the woman avoiding the many cameras that were pointing at them during their walk (Sherlock choose the route and definitely would have noticed her walking strangely to avoid the cameras.)
Watson, who has been deducing almost as well as Sherlock all episode also has a convenient blind spot. It would have been a lot better if it was him who figured it out rather that the sister making an possibly intentional slip up
They've pulled this kind of thing before with Sherlock's death. It works, just don't look too hard.
One thing about Sherlock not noticing.
You can attribute this to the drugs, or to Sherrington's skill (since we're assuming equal or greater calibre of polymath genius here)*, but I think it's reasonable to say that Sherlock was not dealing with the average person, and she - being his sister, and presumably capable of many of the same feats he is - could play with things that she knew would attract his attention. I'm fine with her avoiding surveillance (she stayed under the bus shelter, for example, while Sherlock was in the middle of the road), but the scene where the Aaron Paul stand-in didn't spot her is naughty editing.
*and indeed I assume Sherrington only made this gambit because she knew Sherlock was on a bender and she could take advantage.
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To her credit, she did save him from facing the music on Magnussen.
did naht see that coming. They might have cheated a little with relaying "the other one" as the other brother rather than sibling, but still.
Also this episode was excellent, Toby Jones sure can slimeball.
Also, I'm starting to think that "Sherrinford" itself is a bit of a red herring. Apparently it's a popular name in fan circles for the third brother, so by using it Moffat is teasing those fans who are aware of the concept - but it's only ever used in oblique references ("Are you still in contact with Sherrinford?" "Sherrinford is secure." "Sherrinford - 2pm" in a diary, etc). My theory is that Sherrinford is a prison/institution/home of some kind where Mycroft has been keeping Euros. But, as ever, I'm likely to be proved wrong on Sunday.
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yeah I don't know.
Moriarty's posthumous game was pretty much perfect though, and Eurus was delightfully creepy. They essentially had Sherlock starring in a Saw movie. Good stuff.
Loved the fakeout with Moriarty being alive for a moment. Also Mycroft's transparent attempt to get Sherlock to shoot him.
The performances were great though and I really hope their is another series.
Although it was all pretty far-fetched the bit that to me was the most ridiculous was
Also I'd have liked to have seen some kind of demonstration of her vast intellect. She didn't actually outwit Sherlock at any point, she was more like a super villain who could control people.
Also, was the idea that in the 5 minutes she programmed Moriarty to do everything he ever did to Sherlock, or just to make those recordings? Or did he do them willingly? I noticed her mind control didn't work on Mycroft because he's so smart, so is it the same with Moriarty?
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The thing with Moriarty makes even less sense.
All in all, the second episode was probably my favourite for this season.
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Also I imagine she saw a fair few shrinks before the second fire.
Also I kept wondering what the point of it all was. What are we supposed to think Euros actually wants for 95% of the show until we get to the truth? She's torturing/experimenting on her brothers and has brought them to her via an incredibly complicated series of lures and plots, but why? It's all motiveless until we find out boo hoo she's frightened, so it feels like an episode of the Crystal Maze but with no chance to win a Centre Parcs holiday at the end.
I think, looking at the whole run, maybe half the episodes are any good (and sometimes they were very good indeed), but most of those were in the first two seasons.
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And I must have missed something about the riddle that Sherlock solved using the gravestones - he worked out that it meant she was in her old room, but how did that help him save John? She immediately went catatonic, so do we assume she also told them where the well was? Why had no-one looked in the well when the kid went missing originally?
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It's a very neat moment, but immediately you go wait what how could he not see that he's Sherlock Holmes.
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And did any viewers notice before him? I sure didn't!