I checked out the PvT replays and yeah your macro is just as bad as everyone else's in plat.
You get supply blocked, you chrono boost poorly, you maynard really bad, you're not up on constant probe production, etc. In one game I even timed how much time was wasted not researching warp gate when cyber core completed, 25 seconds. All the other stuff you listed is bad too, but your macro is also poor.
Also, you get mad and whine about race balance when you get outplayed by a mile. Nothing to do with macro, I just wanted to point that out.
what is maynard?
Transferring workers from one base to another when the second completes.
When you transfer probes from main to natural. The whole purpose is to create an equilibrium so you can have the produced workers from the main and the nat going to their respective mineral lines. You pull too few and end up rallying main to natural. It's not a huge thing, but getting it right means you get better income and you don't have to pay attention as much to your mineral lines.
I really want to see Bomber play Zerg, he basically plays as Zerg now (comes out of almost every engagement cost ineffectively but later overwhelms with macro) only he gets to do it with super Terran units.
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jaziekBad at everythingAnd mad about it.Registered Userregular
Ok. So explain to me what I did differently in these 2 games that caused me to win one and lose the other.
Your opponent in the first game was decent. He delayed your expansion with an early push, and then crushed you because you didn't have an answer to bio (ie, you need Colossi). Your opponent in the second was awful. He move commanded his marine-heavy army into your Colossi. There's really nothing I can say about these games other than you are the new Sylem. Horrible BM, and a total inability to notice your own mistakes. Your macro could definitely be improved, and you definitely did not lose because Terran is so OP.
Also, you should consider uploading your replays to a site like gamereplays.org. They don't spam you with ads like Mediafire does.
got supply blocked early on at critical times
didn't add extra gateways fast enough
didn't constantly produce workers
and as such your army was smaller than his, so you lost
second game you got supply blocked less, and due to you still being on so few gates for so long your army was smaller than his, he just didn't move out, and by the time he did you had completed your transition to collosus and were on a reasonable number of gateways, so your army was bigger than his
however
in both of these games your macro was bad
not good, not decent, not diamond/masters level macro
the sooner you realise this, and stop blaming micro or race imbalance or whatever other shitty excuse you have, the faster you'll improve
(i am by no means saying i am good at this game, just that your macro is clearly what is really holding you back)
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jaziekBad at everythingAnd mad about it.Registered Userregular
Your opponent in the first game was decent. He delayed your expansion with an early push, and then crushed you because you didn't have an answer to bio (ie, you need Colossi). Your opponent in the second was awful. He move commanded his marine-heavy army into your Colossi. There's really nothing I can say about these games other than you are the new Sylem. Horrible BM, and a total inability to notice your own mistakes. Your macro could definitely be improved, and you definitely did not lose because Terran is so OP.
Also, you should consider uploading your replays to a site like gamereplays.org.
And how was I supposed to have colossus up at that time after my expansion had been delayed?
Your opponent in the first game was decent. He delayed your expansion with an early push, and then crushed you because you didn't have an answer to bio (ie, you need Colossi). Your opponent in the second was awful. He move commanded his marine-heavy army into your Colossi. There's really nothing I can say about these games other than you are the new Sylem. Horrible BM, and a total inability to notice your own mistakes. Your macro could definitely be improved, and you definitely did not lose because Terran is so OP.
Also, you should consider uploading your replays to a site like gamereplays.org.
And how was I supposed to have colossus up at that time after my expansion had been delayed?
They don't spam you with ads like Mediafire does.
get adblock.
trust me, and i had to learn the hard way, its almost always your macro. almost always.
You really shouldn't tell people who are trying to help you improve to inconvenience themselves even further by downloading some useless addon because you don't want to meet them halfway when you're the one asking for advice.
I saw the first game and I can say this right away.
Your build is a little weird, you 12 gate, then put up the cyber a little late. Your gas goes up and goes unnoticed for way too long. Warp gate started late.
You should have been able to get gate, cyber, warp gate, robo, then a second gate way earlier.
Your force fields where decent, but if you would have warped in more zealots instead of stalkers against that many marauders, I'm pretty sure you could win with just ff.'s and a guardian shield.
I would have force fielded in that entire army in front of me, and be zealot heavy with guardian shield, then focus my immortals on marauders.
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jaziekBad at everythingAnd mad about it.Registered Userregular
You really shouldn't tell people who are trying to help you improve to inconvenience themselves even further by downloading some useless addon because you don't want to meet them halfway when you're the one asking for advice.
got supply blocked early on at critical times
didn't add extra gateways fast enough
didn't constantly produce workers
and as such your army was smaller than his, so you lost
second game you got supply blocked less, and due to you still being on so few gates for so long your army was smaller than his, he just didn't move out, and by the time he did you had completed your transition to collosus and were on a reasonable number of gateways, so your army was bigger than his
however
in both of these games your macro was bad
not good, not decent, not diamond/masters level macro
the sooner you realise this, and stop blaming micro or race imbalance or whatever other shitty excuse you have, the faster you'll improve
(i am by no means saying i am good at this game, just that your macro is clearly what is really holding you back)
I don't see how micro is a shitty excuse. That terran clearly lost the game because of micro, not because my macro was better than his. If it had been better, he would have won.
Your opponent in the first game was decent. He delayed your expansion with an early push, and then crushed you because you didn't have an answer to bio (ie, you need Colossi). Your opponent in the second was awful. He move commanded his marine-heavy army into your Colossi. There's really nothing I can say about these games other than you are the new Sylem. Horrible BM, and a total inability to notice your own mistakes. Your macro could definitely be improved, and you definitely did not lose because Terran is so OP.
Also, you should consider uploading your replays to a site like gamereplays.org.
And how was I supposed to have colossus up at that time after my expansion had been delayed?
They don't spam you with ads like Mediafire does.
get adblock.
The answer is better macro. You were floating money for that entire game. I'm sure a Protoss player could give some more specific tips, but you could easily have produced Zealots instead of Stalkers, and put that gas into rushing for Colossi, or something along those lines. Watch the game again, and count the supply blocks, idle gateways/robo bays/nexii, and time how long you have a resource surplus above 200/200 min/gas. Those are opportunities for you to improve your macro.
Listen guys. I should be Grandmasters because my mother loves me. If I'm not, it can't possibly be my fault and any "mistakes" you're seeing are hallucinations.
I only get on okay with my mom so I've been losing a lot of games lately.
edit: really this game needs to be more fun when you're losing, I can happily lose at quake all day
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jaziekBad at everythingAnd mad about it.Registered Userregular
Jesus christ.
I'm not saying that I should be in fucking masters.
I'm even saying that my macro is good.
I am just saying, that there are OTHER factors, which are JUST as important.
You want to tell me, that in that first replay set I posted, I lost the game where my FFE got baneling busted because of macro? That I lost to a cannon rush because of macro? That I didn't hold 2gate zealots because LOL MACRO!!!!
I only get on okay with my mom so I've been losing a lot of games lately.
edit: really this game needs to be more fun when you're losing, I can happily lose at quake all day
that's the problem with a game where a) the matchmaking system works hard to pit you against people who should beat you roughly 50% of the time, and b) your losses are your fault, always, all the time. it's a tough thing to lose game after game to your mistakes alone.
EDIT: also, you have to invest so much focus into this game that it really hurts to lose. quake (and first-person shooters in general) don't require you to be nearly as mentally present.
I'm not saying that I should be in fucking masters.
I'm even saying that my macro is good.
I am just saying, that there are OTHER factors, which are JUST as important.
You want to tell me, that in that first replay set I posted, I lost the game where my FFE got baneling busted because of macro? That I lost to a cannon rush because of macro? That I didn't hold 2gate zealots because LOL MACRO!!!!
Whatever.
A big part of surviving cheese is having a good, perfectly executed build order. That's macro. Unit control is important too, but if you don't have as much stuff because your build is sub-optimal (either the BO itself is bad or you're executing it poorly), better micro won't make much of a difference.
Proper walling/simcity is very important pvz and will stop a lot of bane busts/early pressure. For example your PvZ on abyssal, the zerg didn't bust/pressure, but if he had, you would have been done with that wall. Some people consider that to be part of macro, some don't...but you need to do that better as well.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
Do people still use YABOT to train their build orders? Or is there something better now?
Also, I will go filthy Terran. They are kinda fun.
So since I just want to focus on macro, I need one build order per matchup to use.
You guys decide which ones!
I'm not saying that I should be in fucking masters.
I'm even saying that my macro is good.
I am just saying, that there are OTHER factors, which are JUST as important.
You want to tell me, that in that first replay set I posted, I lost the game where my FFE got baneling busted because of macro? That I lost to a cannon rush because of macro? That I didn't hold 2gate zealots because LOL MACRO!!!!
Whatever.
A big part of surviving cheese is having a good, perfectly executed build order. That's macro. Unit control is important too, but if you don't have as much stuff because your build is sub-optimal (either the BO itself is bad or you're executing it poorly), better micro won't make much of a difference.
your "standard" BOs should have plenty of opportunity to react to cheese/early pressure. sure, scouting and recognizing what attacks are coming is part of it, but if your open was executed correctly, you should be able to respond and react appropriately. hey, he put up 2 gates before core or gas... hrm.... welp, better prepare for the zealots. I FFE'd and he brought the bust, or was he bringing the bust before you FFE'd. Banes nests don't exactly go up in an instant, and there are plenty of tells, such as not removing drones from gas on an apparent sling expo.
Or, did he see your FFE, was able to switch into bane bust mode, and then ram it through your FFE wall? Was he able to beat you with 5 banes? bad wall. bad macro.
Do people still use YABOT to train their build orders? Or is there something better now?
Also, I will go filthy Terran. They are kinda fun.
So since I just want to focus on macro, I need one build order per matchup to use.
You guys decide which ones!
TvP - 1/1/1 Helion drop into mmm+ghosts
TvZ - bunker/helion/banshee rush, just toss a three sided coin before every game.
TvT - ???
It's better for a Zerg to err on the side of overdroning than to make more army than you need early in the game.
Is that a true statement or am I making it up? I think somebody who was a better player said it to me once. But it's so easy to slip back to cutting lots of drones for army, because overdroning losses just feel the worst somehow. Great, I guessed wrong on when you would attack, and I literally have no way to fight back. GG I guess? I feel like I completely wasted 5 minutes of my life every time that happens.
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Transferring workers from one base to another when the second completes.
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Min, Losira, Dimaga, IdrA, Sen... They all seem to accidentally float energy in the midgame.
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Applying patch 1 of 22
Edit: I'll take a look Jaziek
Edit2: Apparently I can't patch Korean starcraft while running normal starcraft, so it will have to wait.
Your opponent in the first game was decent. He delayed your expansion with an early push, and then crushed you because you didn't have an answer to bio (ie, you need Colossi). Your opponent in the second was awful. He move commanded his marine-heavy army into your Colossi. There's really nothing I can say about these games other than you are the new Sylem. Horrible BM, and a total inability to notice your own mistakes. Your macro could definitely be improved, and you definitely did not lose because Terran is so OP.
Also, you should consider uploading your replays to a site like gamereplays.org. They don't spam you with ads like Mediafire does.
macro
in the first game you:
got supply blocked early on at critical times
didn't add extra gateways fast enough
didn't constantly produce workers
and as such your army was smaller than his, so you lost
second game you got supply blocked less, and due to you still being on so few gates for so long your army was smaller than his, he just didn't move out, and by the time he did you had completed your transition to collosus and were on a reasonable number of gateways, so your army was bigger than his
however
in both of these games your macro was bad
not good, not decent, not diamond/masters level macro
the sooner you realise this, and stop blaming micro or race imbalance or whatever other shitty excuse you have, the faster you'll improve
(i am by no means saying i am good at this game, just that your macro is clearly what is really holding you back)
And how was I supposed to have colossus up at that time after my expansion had been delayed?
get adblock.
trust me, and i had to learn the hard way, its almost always your macro. almost always.
Joe's Stream.
Long sentence.
Your build is a little weird, you 12 gate, then put up the cyber a little late. Your gas goes up and goes unnoticed for way too long. Warp gate started late.
You should have been able to get gate, cyber, warp gate, robo, then a second gate way earlier.
Your force fields where decent, but if you would have warped in more zealots instead of stalkers against that many marauders, I'm pretty sure you could win with just ff.'s and a guardian shield.
I would have force fielded in that entire army in front of me, and be zealot heavy with guardian shield, then focus my immortals on marauders.
I don't see how micro is a shitty excuse. That terran clearly lost the game because of micro, not because my macro was better than his. If it had been better, he would have won.
get 300ms to the kr server
is this playable?
(probably australians who can answer this)
The answer is better macro. You were floating money for that entire game. I'm sure a Protoss player could give some more specific tips, but you could easily have produced Zealots instead of Stalkers, and put that gas into rushing for Colossi, or something along those lines. Watch the game again, and count the supply blocks, idle gateways/robo bays/nexii, and time how long you have a resource surplus above 200/200 min/gas. Those are opportunities for you to improve your macro.
better macro will win you sooooo many more games than better micro
you need to actually work at improving said macro, rather than whining at your opponents about whatever
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
edit: really this game needs to be more fun when you're losing, I can happily lose at quake all day
I'm not saying that I should be in fucking masters.
I'm even saying that my macro is good.
I am just saying, that there are OTHER factors, which are JUST as important.
You want to tell me, that in that first replay set I posted, I lost the game where my FFE got baneling busted because of macro? That I lost to a cannon rush because of macro? That I didn't hold 2gate zealots because LOL MACRO!!!!
Whatever.
Yeah. And you're wrong. And when that's pointed out you ignore it and whine.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
that's the problem with a game where a) the matchmaking system works hard to pit you against people who should beat you roughly 50% of the time, and b) your losses are your fault, always, all the time. it's a tough thing to lose game after game to your mistakes alone.
EDIT: also, you have to invest so much focus into this game that it really hurts to lose. quake (and first-person shooters in general) don't require you to be nearly as mentally present.
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A big part of surviving cheese is having a good, perfectly executed build order. That's macro. Unit control is important too, but if you don't have as much stuff because your build is sub-optimal (either the BO itself is bad or you're executing it poorly), better micro won't make much of a difference.
Also, I will go filthy Terran. They are kinda fun.
So since I just want to focus on macro, I need one build order per matchup to use.
You guys decide which ones!
My latency to korea is pretty much the same as my latency to NA.
Very excited about this.
your "standard" BOs should have plenty of opportunity to react to cheese/early pressure. sure, scouting and recognizing what attacks are coming is part of it, but if your open was executed correctly, you should be able to respond and react appropriately. hey, he put up 2 gates before core or gas... hrm.... welp, better prepare for the zealots. I FFE'd and he brought the bust, or was he bringing the bust before you FFE'd. Banes nests don't exactly go up in an instant, and there are plenty of tells, such as not removing drones from gas on an apparent sling expo.
Or, did he see your FFE, was able to switch into bane bust mode, and then ram it through your FFE wall? Was he able to beat you with 5 banes? bad wall. bad macro.
Joe's Stream.
TvP - 1/1/1 Helion drop into mmm+ghosts
TvZ - bunker/helion/banshee rush, just toss a three sided coin before every game.
TvT - ???
it's fine if you're using the freestyle build option
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=287794
this is pretty good too
an overlay over the screen that can have any build order you want in there
At this point I am kind of confused as to what doesn't fall under "macro".
It's what we all say, all our macro is shit.
Is that a true statement or am I making it up? I think somebody who was a better player said it to me once. But it's so easy to slip back to cutting lots of drones for army, because overdroning losses just feel the worst somehow. Great, I guessed wrong on when you would attack, and I literally have no way to fight back. GG I guess? I feel like I completely wasted 5 minutes of my life every time that happens.
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