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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    man beards are like the first indicator of regality

    the longer the beard, the more regal the owner

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    DuxDux A host to DarknessRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Thor needs a beard. There is no disputing this. This is not a fight you can hope to win, Solar.

    Edit: Dich knows what's up.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Guys you do not need to tell me that historically speaking Kings had beards. I know that. To those at the time such as the Anglo-Saxons and the Franks, the idea of a King without a beard was pretty unheard of. Of course they had beards, they were seen as being preferably older and wiser men, who all had beards.

    But when I was a kid, I read fairy stories, fantasy books, that kind of thing, and in those the classic dashing princes always were cleanly shaven (which actually fits because not having a beard was indicative of youth amongst western medieval cultures), and I prefer Thor as a heroic prince over a King, since that is how his character was envisioned and so on (Odin being the King that constantly tests and berates his son).

    So aside from me vastly preferring the clean-shaven look, it does make sense in my head that Thor is clean-shaven.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
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    Nobody messes with the muscly armed Batman
    To contrast lets take a look at another book that came out today.

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    Bruce having just met Superman lets himself be captured to save Superman because neither of them is a jerk, or a facist, or a bad guy or stupid.


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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Batman is sort of fascist though, he's pushing on that wall constantly.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote:
    Batman is sort of fascist though, he's pushing on that wall constantly.

    most superheroes are

    it's kinda par the ethics of the genre

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    While I'm certain that if the characters existed in the real world they would cross the line I think they are generally meant to be aware of that line but never cross it.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    While I'm certain that if the characters existed in the real world they would cross the line I think they are generally meant to be aware of that line but never cross it.

    In the comics and films he crosses that line fairly often.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    I'm not sure I agree.

    The cellphone device I agree if he used it just to keep track of things would have crossed the line. The choice to dismantle it, in my view, prevents him from truly crossing the line. Though that was pretty close.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Either way I think that variation is a product of our own personal morality clashing. We each have a limit in our heads about how far you an justify going before you've gone to far. I think its the writers intent that they never cross then line but where the line is is different.

    Snyder's line is pretty conservative. He can lie, be a vigilante but hasn't really done anything outrageous.

    On the extreme side you have Miller. I truly believe Miller thinks his batman is a good guy. However he kills people, starts a revolution trying to overthrow the government, kidnaps a kid ect.

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    hey guys

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    dammit Bain how many times have I told you! No pulling peoples hair. You go to the corner young man.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I actually read an interesting article a little bit ago about why superheroes are not as fascist as some people think

    http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2010/07/fascist-superman-tyrant-aquaman-that.html

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Superman started out as a man of the people, a genuine socialist superhero

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    dammit Bain how many times have I told you! No pulling peoples hair. You go to the corner young man.

    now is not the time for corners

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JHfXTNMpUg&feature=related

    that comes later

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I'm not sure I agree.

    The cellphone device I agree if he used it just to keep track of things would have crossed the line. The choice to dismantle it, in my view, prevents him from truly crossing the line. Though that was pretty close.

    I'd agree that he doesn't take the temptation to delve into a higher form of fascism but he still is engaging in a fascist act.

    Beyond any one signature moment or act, vigilantiasm at its core is a fascist enterprise.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    yeah but at the same time if an unstoppable alien armada was headed towards earth and superman was just chillin on the couch watching breaking bad, people would be like 'SUPES CMON DUDE WERE ALL GONNA DIE'

    and he'd be like 'but i'm no fascist, you guys can figure it out. plus this episode is really good, jesse gets the fuck kicked out of him'

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote:
    I'm confused at how anyone can call superman a fascist

    it's pretty easy if you haven't read much superman

    morrison's action comics superman is adamantly anti-fascist, though

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    yeah but at the same time if an unstoppable alien armada was headed towards earth and superman was just chillin on the couch watching breaking bad, people would be like 'SUPES CMON DUDE WERE ALL GONNA DIE'

    and he'd be like 'but i'm no fascist, you guys can figure it out. plus this episode is really good, jesse gets the fuck kicked out of him'

    What?

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    I like that Superman is watching Breaking Bad.

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    Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
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    they should've set up Batman Inc in Begins so that Chinese Batman could've taken care of it

    That was an oppotunity missed, he could have teamed up with Russian Batman.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Whether Batman is fascist or not is actually a nice example of the core difference between the DC and Marvel Universe, in that the the DC Universe is entirely fantastical whereas the Marvel Universe goes for pseudo-realism. If Batman was in the Marvel Universe, then he'd be ethically questionable, either fascist, or mad, or both, because those are the pseudo-realistic interpretations of what he does. In the DC Universe he isn't, because the writers say so. In the DC Universe, someone can be who Batman is and do what Batman does without being mad or a fascist.

    Some people say that Batman is a Marvel superhero strapped in the DC Universe, but really that isn't true. By the traits that are unique to DC, Batman fits perfectly into the setting he is from.

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    Keith wrote:
    The Iron Man one contains mandarin

    Hehehe, I laughed.

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    Sars_BoySars_Boy Rest, You Are The Lightning. Registered User regular
    We talked about those Catwoman statues yet?

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    how bout that? sure looks inspired by the Cooke design like they said it would be.

    mm hmm.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    ugh the long brown hair

    and heels

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Catwoman should have short dark hair, yes

    I'm not sure how I feel about Catwoman being in heels. One the one hand, it's bad because it doesn't make much sense and almost all superheroines wear heels because misogyny. On the other hand, I figure if any superheroine should specifically look sexy, then it would be Catwoman, and superhero costumes rarely make sense anyway, nor should they have to.

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    I dunno, my first thought looking at that was "Those look like they are for kicking people with or climbing things"

    Ok, that's a lie, my first thought was Dat Ass, damn...

    Short hair would be better though, agreed :)

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
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    GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    Oh thank fuck I wasn't the only one who first thought that.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    fucking hell

    that costume is impractical and looks like a fetish suit even more than the typical catwoman costume

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    What part of stiletto heels on a person who is constantly running and leaping and climbing isn't painfully stupid?

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    CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    But it's Nolan so it's totes realistic

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    Solar wrote:
    Whether Batman is fascist or not is actually a nice example of the core difference between the DC and Marvel Universe, in that the the DC Universe is entirely fantastical whereas the Marvel Universe goes for pseudo-realism.

    People keep repeating this like it's a truism, but it's really only true if you're comparing the Silver Age versions of the two universes. I mean, the event that set up the course of the DC Universe's last decade was Identity Crisis for fucks sake. It's facile to downplay the ethically questionable nature of Batman's traditional tactics by saying "well, in the world he lives in, what he does isn't ethically questionable," because there are people arguing that virtually identical actions are perfectly justified in reality. Stripping the superhero genre of ethical responsibility like that is the absolute last thing the genre needs.

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    CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    You forget that Identity Crisis is garbage

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    gtrmp wrote:
    Solar wrote:
    Whether Batman is fascist or not is actually a nice example of the core difference between the DC and Marvel Universe, in that the the DC Universe is entirely fantastical whereas the Marvel Universe goes for pseudo-realism.

    People keep repeating this like it's a truism, but it's really only true if you're comparing the Silver Age versions of the two universes. I mean, the event that set up the course of the DC Universe's last decade was Identity Crisis for fucks sake. It's facile to downplay the ethically questionable nature of Batman's traditional tactics by saying "well, in the world he lives in, what he does isn't ethically questionable," because there are people arguing that virtually identical actions are perfectly justified in reality. Stripping the superhero genre of ethical responsibility like that is the absolute last thing the genre needs.

    It's definitely a distinction that has been reduced over the years, yeah. I would still argue that DC is at a more base level a fantasy universe than Marvel, and thus a setting where someone can say "Batman is a hero, he's not crazy and he's not fascist and he wouldn't cross that line" and then accept that as the truth. Sure, Batman was been a paranoid jackass for years, I don't dispute that. Making Brother Eye was basically the act of a supervillain. But if you take the core idea of Batman, hell, the core idea of super-powered vigilantism in the real world, then it's incredibly troubling. In the Marvel Universe it's less so, but still a concern (and we've seen that before). In the DC Universe you can say "actually no, it isn't a concern" and that's okay. Like I said, the distinction has reduced over the years, but I still think that it is there.

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    You forget that Identity Crisis is garbage

    Yeah, and it set the tone for every major event from DC since then.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    the gotham city imposters ps3 beta started yesterday
    it is pretty fun

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    InkyblotsInkyblots Registered User regular
    Those glasses look pretty ridiculous.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    gtrmp wrote:
    You forget that Identity Crisis is garbage

    Yeah, and it set the tone for every major event from DC since then.

    How would you say it set the tone for Final Crisis?

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    the pace is ridiculous, and there are several neat ways to move around the map, such as spring boots, roller skates, glider rigs and stuff

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