I think I read somewhere that Karthus Bot does not in fact have cheat-o-vision, he just has extraordinarily high map awareness
If an enemy champ appears for even one tenth of a second with low health he gon' ult, and if he gets anyone else he didn't see that's just tough nookies
Karthus, Garen, Jax, Graves, Morgana. With bot-build rules? Ow.
Karthusbot went 21/20/6
He knew when you were low.
He knew when you were low EVEN IF NO OTHER BOTS WERE AROUND
Long story short - he ganked three of us while we were low killing Dragon. Without vision. That was when we learned that Karthusbot is OP.
IT WAS AWESOME.
I think someone was saying here that karthus doesn't have fog of war vision ok his ult, but if you even barely step into vision range of a minion or turret, even just briefly, she knows and will ult if you're low.
Haven't tried the new bots yet. Was going to last night for FWotD but played SR and actually went 2-0. I've heard they're mostly still dumb and exploitable
the dumpling is the best part! have you ever had soup dumplings? they're fucking amazing
they make me miss living in new york
Haha, I just meant the way it was drawn. It looks like she's a dog tearing at a chew toy, and not actually attempting to eat it. She does look incredibly happy though.
Edit - And maybe we're talking about the same thing, but that looks like a barbeque pork bun to me. And those are amazing.
Is Ziggs a good RoA candidate instead of going straight for Deathcap? Feels like he really really (really) needs the HP, mana, and sustain from the catalyst
I almost want to try a mana crystal + 2 pot start tonight because kee rhist
Yeah, another reason I stopped rushing RoA on Ziggs is that I was getting to having three rings for a large part of the game, which really kind of killed any mana problems I was having
Well I love ziggs. I also love that I was better at ziggs than at least one person who was on the other team. He didn't have enough AP to explode everyone.
I went boots, roa, deathcap, void staff, evil tome. I feel like I can probably skip the ROA though because if I get caught near people I die regardless. Maybe a second deathcap. hats for everyone!
is two deathcaps even a good idea? the passive only applies once right?
you are correct
i think the most AP you can possibly have (outside of veigar) is five archangels with one deathcap, blue elixir, baron buff, nearby WotA, and sona with her Q up
e: and a full page of scaling AP runes and the offense masteries (including the ignite one that gives you 5 AP while ignite is on cooldown)
e2: and I guess veigar would have the most and karma would have the second most (while almost dead)
e3: oh and surge, duh
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is two deathcaps even a good idea? the passive only applies once right?
you are correct
i think the most AP you can possibly have (outside of veigar) is five archangels with one deathcap, blue elixir, baron buff, nearby WotA, and sona with her Q up
e: and a full page of scaling AP runes and the offense masteries (including the ignite one that gives you 5 AP while ignite is on cooldown)
e2: and I guess veigar would have the most and karma would have the second most (while almost dead)
Someone mentioned it earlier, but IF you can get away with it, the following three items are ideal for a 20 to 25 minute build, for an AP champ:
Begin with Mana Crystal
Upgrade to Catalyst
Get a Tear of the Goddess
Get boots
Upgrade Catalyst to Rod of Ages
Get a Deathcap
Upgrade Tear of the Goddess to Archangel's Staff
Also: Have +AP and Magic Pen runes.
The AP you get from all this is around 550, if I recall correctly. And if you're doing well, you can get it around the twenty minute mark. It's really, really freaking good.
(The problem is you need a caster who doesn't need cooldown reduction, who can deal with being squishy, and who can still do enough damage with no AP items for a long time to actually get CS and kills/assists needed to complete the build early, when it's powerful. Karthus is so far the only champion I've mastered who fits this description.)
A fully stacked mejai's would be more potent for one slot yes? I can't remember the last time I build Mejai though. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I played AP where a Mejai wouldn't be worth it for the ap.
A fully stacked mejai's would be more potent for one slot yes? I can't remember the last time I build Mejai though. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I played AP where a Mejai wouldn't be worth it for the ap.
Maybe I should try it on Orianna...
...sneaky death.
AA is a ton of mana that synergizes with the passive. Mejai's doesn't add to that.
The thing about AA stacking is that each one you get makes the previous AAs more effective for your purposes, until you hit a critical mass of mana where they do in fact overtake all other AP items.
That's strictly for a gimmick max AP 5 hour game though
is two deathcaps even a good idea? the passive only applies once right?
you are correct
i think the most AP you can possibly have (outside of veigar) is five archangels with one deathcap, blue elixir, baron buff, nearby WotA, and sona with her Q up
e: and a full page of scaling AP runes and the offense masteries (including the ignite one that gives you 5 AP while ignite is on cooldown)
e2: and I guess veigar would have the most and karma would have the second most (while almost dead)
e3: oh and surge, duh
roa > archangels in that setup, I think
nope!
the archangel's "3% of max mana added to AP" isn't unique, so with five of them it's 15% max mana added to AP
they have a base of 45 ability power
one of them is giving 1400 mana, the other 4 are giving 400 mana
(45 * 5) + 15% of (1400 + 1600) = 225 + 450 = 675
So it's 675 AP from 5 archangel's, PLUS the additional 15% of your character's base mana pool @ level 18
Most mages get around 1000-1200 mana so that's an additional 150-180ish
all in all we're talking about 800 AP for 5 archangel's
RoA caps at 80 AP per rod, so 400 total from 5 RoAs
Someone mentioned it earlier, but IF you can get away with it, the following three items are ideal for a 20 to 25 minute build, for an AP champ:
Begin with Mana Crystal
Upgrade to Catalyst
Get a Tear of the Goddess
Get boots
Upgrade Catalyst to Rod of Ages
Get a Deathcap
Upgrade Tear of the Goddess to Archangel's Staff
Also: Have +AP and Magic Pen runes.
The AP you get from all this is around 550, if I recall correctly. And if you're doing well, you can get it around the twenty minute mark. It's really, really freaking good.
(The problem is you need a caster who doesn't need cooldown reduction, who can deal with being squishy, and who can still do enough damage with no AP items for a long time to actually get CS and kills/assists needed to complete the build early, when it's powerful. Karthus is so far the only champion I've mastered who fits this description.)
If you ever acheive this build at the 20 minute mark, the game is already over.
I just bought noc to use as my new jungler since lee and skarner get banned a lot... I was thinking of building him like lee, wriggles > atmogs. Is that a good build for noc?
If I were going to run all Yordles, I'd do Rumble top, Kennen mid, Trist bot with Teemo support (I think it'd work, honestly. Free wards, blind, good harass.), and either Poppy or Amumu in the jungle.
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If an enemy champ appears for even one tenth of a second with low health he gon' ult, and if he gets anyone else he didn't see that's just tough nookies
I think someone was saying here that karthus doesn't have fog of war vision ok his ult, but if you even barely step into vision range of a minion or turret, even just briefly, she knows and will ult if you're low.
Haven't tried the new bots yet. Was going to last night for FWotD but played SR and actually went 2-0. I've heard they're mostly still dumb and exploitable
The rings need to be more "spikey" to inflict maximum damage potential.
But they have instant reactions, instant combos, and even if people say Karthus can't see you in the fog of war on low health they are wrong.
(They might not be wrong.)
He's damn good at landing skittlebombs after a wall of pain, though.
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Haha, I just meant the way it was drawn. It looks like she's a dog tearing at a chew toy, and not actually attempting to eat it. She does look incredibly happy though.
Edit - And maybe we're talking about the same thing, but that looks like a barbeque pork bun to me. And those are amazing.
38:45 is a prime example
http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/201735/
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Have you had any chance to take a look? Would love some feedback.
I almost want to try a mana crystal + 2 pot start tonight because kee rhist
sit on catalyst, make deathcap, and get a later game banshees
start a philo
rush 2 dorans rings
So I built a RoA anyway.
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Only rings and boots
Top: Kennen
Mid: Ziggs
Bot: Tristriana, Poppy
Jungle: Nunu
Takers?
Man, he needs a pimp skin. Fur coat, hat, bling, the works.
I went boots, roa, deathcap, void staff, evil tome. I feel like I can probably skip the ROA though because if I get caught near people I die regardless. Maybe a second deathcap. hats for everyone!
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did this once with a PA group, was fairly entertaining. Nunu isn't a yordle btw.
we ran trist poppy bot, kennen mid, teemo top aaaand jungle amumu iirc.
you are correct
i think the most AP you can possibly have (outside of veigar) is five archangels with one deathcap, blue elixir, baron buff, nearby WotA, and sona with her Q up
e: and a full page of scaling AP runes and the offense masteries (including the ignite one that gives you 5 AP while ignite is on cooldown)
e2: and I guess veigar would have the most and karma would have the second most (while almost dead)
e3: oh and surge, duh
roa > archangels in that setup, I think
Is there no end to the madness?
You know the world is a dark, dark place, when you can't tell a Yordle from an adopted Yeti Child.
Begin with Mana Crystal
Upgrade to Catalyst
Get a Tear of the Goddess
Get boots
Upgrade Catalyst to Rod of Ages
Get a Deathcap
Upgrade Tear of the Goddess to Archangel's Staff
Also: Have +AP and Magic Pen runes.
The AP you get from all this is around 550, if I recall correctly. And if you're doing well, you can get it around the twenty minute mark. It's really, really freaking good.
(The problem is you need a caster who doesn't need cooldown reduction, who can deal with being squishy, and who can still do enough damage with no AP items for a long time to actually get CS and kills/assists needed to complete the build early, when it's powerful. Karthus is so far the only champion I've mastered who fits this description.)
Maybe I should try it on Orianna...
...sneaky death.
AA is a ton of mana that synergizes with the passive. Mejai's doesn't add to that.
That's strictly for a gimmick max AP 5 hour game though
nope!
the archangel's "3% of max mana added to AP" isn't unique, so with five of them it's 15% max mana added to AP
they have a base of 45 ability power
one of them is giving 1400 mana, the other 4 are giving 400 mana
(45 * 5) + 15% of (1400 + 1600) = 225 + 450 = 675
So it's 675 AP from 5 archangel's, PLUS the additional 15% of your character's base mana pool @ level 18
Most mages get around 1000-1200 mana so that's an additional 150-180ish
all in all we're talking about 800 AP for 5 archangel's
RoA caps at 80 AP per rod, so 400 total from 5 RoAs
If you ever acheive this build at the 20 minute mark, the game is already over.
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The passive AP bonus on AA is not unique, only the stacking mana is unique. So each each AA is 45+(Mana+400)x.03 + previous number of AAs x .03 x 400
So if you have 1000 mana and a fully stacked AA, the second AA gives you 141 AP the third gives more and so on and so forth.
AA's stack way more AP than any other option the problem is that its all they have and they take a while to build
So if you're going pure "OMG BURST" you want deathcap/Void Staff/AA/AA/AA/Boots